Drag Racing Warm-Up Lap: Tesla P85D Demolishes Challenger Hellcat

Published on January 19th, 2015 | by Christopher DeMorro

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Warm-Up Lap: Tesla P85D Demolishes Challenger Hellcat

January 19th, 2015 by  
 

The Dodge Challenger Hellcat is a no-holds-barred quarter-mile machine that represents the 707 horsepower zenith of the American muscle car. The Tesla Model S P85D is the 691 horsepower poster child of the plug-in car movement. It’s only natural that the two would find themselves lining up in a drag race in a battle of old school vs. new, and Mopar fan boys aren’t going to be happy with the results for a multitude of reasons.

First, let’s focus on the fact that the all-wheel drive Model S launches with precision and little fanfare, knocking down a record-setting 11.68 at 114 MPH, making it both the quickest and fastest production electric car out there. It’s also a nearly 5,000 pound family sedan with room for up to seven human beings (if you include the two rear jump seats), so that should give you some idea of just how potent the Dual Motor Drive really is.

But I’d be remiss if I didn’t note that the Challenger Hellcat driver just absolutely sucked, red-lighting, roasting his tires, proving that money can’t buy driving skills. It also demonstrates how, despite similar outputs, how much easier it is to drive and launch an electric car compared to managing a combustion engine. The Tesla can monitor and manage torque on the fly to provide perfect grip, while the Hellcat driver clearly opted to turn the Launch Control option off. In the P85D, all you have to do is select the “Insane” setting, and all that glorious instant torque is at your fingertips.

That said, with a better driver the Challenger Hellcat is supposed to be faster to the tune of an 11.3 second quarter-mile. That 0.3 second difference isn’t much, and it also isn’t easy to attain as this video shows. But just about anyone can get behind the wheel of a P85D and click off 11-second runs all day.

So I ask you which is the better car; the one that takes tremendous skill to drive fast, or the one that takes almost no skill at all?


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  • I’m not sure how that demolishes the Hellcat. He red-lighted the start and clearly backed way off.

    • philb

      He did back off because his road tires where spinning wildly. He could not get traction and that costs him the run even 2/10 of a second will cost him. The road tires on the cat without traction control caused his problems. I would image the Tesla P85D was well aware of these problems and not allowed the Cat owner to run with racing slicks?

      • JC

        NO.. he red lighted and decided to put on a smoke show instead of trying to race. Most likely to annoy the tree huggers.

        • daveman1

          He wanted to annoy people by losing the race?!?!

          • norgeek

            He redlighted, which is an automatic loss. He might as well have saved his tires and gone for a new round. The burnout was only for show, we can only speculate the reasoning behind it. The article as such is pointless, as the Tesla wasn’t racing anything but itself by the time the green light came on.

        • adlercorp

          That’s a bad cop-out for all the ignorant, prideful sore-losers.

      • William Wayne

        Interestingly enough, perhaps the best runs by a Hellcat were enabled – in part – by disabling Traction Control.

        Also, a track so sticky it could pull your Birkenstocks off.

    • 3ddie

      Which goes to prove that he still got beat by a sedan that can seat 7.

      • MP725

        Complete nonsense… you wanna blame the driver, then go ahead. Most civics with fart cans can beat a 17 second quarter. This was 100% driver, not car.

      • VSanity

        You keep saying it can seat 7. What the f*ck are you talking about?

        • grendal

          Seats 5 and has a jump seats for two kids in the back.

          • VSanity

            Doesn’t really count as seating 7 IMO. I’m sure you could stuff a couple kids in the Charger’s trunk too. Get rear ended and those kids are toast…

          • William Wayne

            I don’t know about the Charger, but you could fit at least 4 kids in the trunk of a Challenger.

        • 3ddie

          It can, it has 2 jump seats in the back.

      • I can “beat” the same Tesla on foot if he red-lights. Do you like, actually not understand drag racing even a little?

        • 3ddie

          HE, got beat, I’m sure a professional driver might be able to beat the Tesla, the point of this video is that the car is fast, and you don’t need to be a “drag racer” to beat an HC. That’s a big deal.

          • You do realize the guy in the HC probably wasn’t a professional, right?

          • 3ddie

            There is no comparison, Tesla is a 7 pax sedan. HC is a sports 2 dr sedan.

        • 3ddie

          I don’t drag race, honestly, it’s not that entertaining. I’m a motorcycle racer, that takes skill.

          • LOL

          • Spoken like a true squid.

          • 3ddie

            I don’t know what a “squid” is, but a motorcycle racer has to have much more skills than any car racer, maybe except, F1. Try it, you’ll probably crap in your pants.

          • You’re a cute kid. I’ll spare you the shame of posting all my CBR900 and CBR600 racing pics from PBIR, Homestead, and the Tail of the Dragon which, while not racing, is still kind of racing, you know? Maybe you don’t, since you don’t know what a squid is.

          • 3ddie

            The Tesla still beat the HC, squid.

  • William Wayne

    That’s a silly question; the answer depends on your particular bent in the automotive world. Point and click versus learning to manage the car? Depends on what you derive your enjoyment from. Consistently good or sometimes outstanding?

    One Hellcat driver has already trapped 11.0 and 11.1 in his car, completely stock – so the Hellcat is clearly the faster of the two when the road is long enough and vehicle’s torque managed enough. A claim of 10.48 with just drag radials and “race fuel” are out there.

    That said, even if it’s almost double the cost of a Hellcat Challenger, the Tesla P85D is definitely an awesome car.

    • philb

      I would like to see that video of it running 11 on road tires. I just have not seen any videos with the cat running 11 stock. Most of the videos I have seen with the cat the tires where slicks and it ran a 10.8 to 11.2 based on race. That being said these Tesla’s have not had the software patch to raise top speed to 155. This is the problem also not talked about is the fact that Tesla is limiting the P85D right now. Some Tesla model P85D owners believe the software begins to start limiting performance above 40 MPH. This also is backed up by tests run by Dragtimes on the Dyno. It hits above 850 foot pounds of torque but only for a short time. The P85D torque then drops back down to regular P85 levels after that short burst. http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-p85d-shocks-the-dyno-with-864-ft-lbs-of-torque
      It seems that Tesla is being careful not letting the full performance of the P85D to make sure they get some data back from drivers?

      Quote from Dragtimes:”The P85D top speed is currently electronically-limited to 130 mph. In the coming months, we will be able to upgrade the car free of charge to enable a 155 mph top speed. This free update will be available for the lifetime of the car (not limited to the first owner). Additionally, an over-the-air firmware upgrade to the power electronics will improve P85D performance at high speed above what anyone outside Tesla has experienced to date. In other words, the car will be better than you experienced. This free upgrade will be rolled out in the next few months, once full validation is complete.

      Read more: http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-p85d-shocks-the-dyno-with-864-ft-lbs-of-torque#ixzz3PHSuYkWm

      • William Wayne

        Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_5wWpmIb4

        And here’s the black one that ran 10.48: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmMamdWKr0&feature=youtu.be

        I’m also seeing a rumor now (with a pic of a timeslip) that a modded Hellcat on slicks ran a 9.709 @ 137.99…

        • Chris DeMorro

          I just want to say that I love that this debate is happening…and I’ll take one of each.

        • 50shades

          Oh BTW, while it is the quickest production car ever made, its all electric, can carry 7 people, has more cargo room then a SVU, gives you more control over your driving experience then any car ever made, it’s a luxury car, It requires minimal service, drive train and battery warranted for 8 years and unlimited miles, is constantly improved upon and updated wirelessly, has 0 emissions, it remembers how you drive and can adjust the suspension automatically, preconditions the interior based upon your driving habits, constant wireless connection for free, full internet….should I continue?! Amazes me that people forget about everything that goes along with the insane power of this car. What’s the range per tank in a Hell Cat?!

          • VSanity

            Ok, first of all. It can’t carry 7 people. It can carry 5 people and 2 infants (if you want them to die if you get rear-ended) and no cargo.

          • grendal

            Safety testing says those kids will be fine. The Tesla has the highest safety rating ever for a sedan. In fact, no one has ever been killed in one that was not stolen. No one has even been seriously hurt either.

          • William Wayne

            You sound angry. I would buy a P85D in a heartbeat if I could. The Hellcat is more obtainable, though.

            To answer your last question, an 18.5ga fuel tank and an EPA rated 22mpg highway with the new 8-sped automatic, its range per tank is a theoretical 407 miles.

            Obviously, that will require a lot of restraint to accomplish. The same restraint, I imagine, to get the P85D’s maximum range (and minimal accessory use).

            Did you have some point In all of this…?

          • 50shades

            My only point is that all of the muscle heads want to jump up and down because an electric car is blowing away most of the muscle cars on the road. So the first instinct is to trash the car and the concept. Bottom line, The Model S was not designed to compete with the Hellcat. The mere fact that it can come within a few tenths of a second being an all electric car is amazing. Both are great cars in their own right but to compare as over all cars makes no sense, it’s not a comparison at all.

          • William Wayne

            Screw those guys. It’s equally amusing/frustrating that people somehow feel this botched drag race indicates the Tesla is the faster. It is to 60, which is what matters on the street, but that’s not where the Hellcat’s aiming.
            And just because the Hellcat is the faster car at the strip does nothing to take away what an amazing machine the Tesla is. I even stated as much, so I’m puzzled as to why you copy-pasted your little diatribe here.

      • Vincent Talbert

        when was the last time any other car manufacturer made performance upgrades for free? NEVER! The thing I love about this car is that it keeps getting better the longer you own it. BTW, in every day use, there is no comparison… Tesla dusts the challenger in every way! And it’s american made… so you gear heads can’t use that lame excuse for not liking it.

        • VSanity

          Can I use the excuse that its ugly as shit and costs $45,000 more than the Hellcat?

          • adlercorp

            You can use it, just goes to show how fucking stupid you are.

          • VSanity

            I value your opinion (lol)

          • grendal

            Ugly is a personal opinion and nothing more.

          • astralweeks

            Hmmm, that’s something an ugly person would say.

          • grendal

            LOL! You win on that one. I resemble that remark.

  • William Wayne

    Also, I find your site’s tag line to be deliciously ironic, as both tire rubber and gasoline are petroleum products.

    • Chris DeMorro

      Automotive fuel accounts for about 2/3 of the world’s petroleum supplies, so if you were to eliminate that, you’d do a whole lot of good.

      But yes, there is a little bit of irony in the tag line I suppose, isn’t there? I still like it.

      • William Wayne

        No question. Gasoline’s days are numbered, and the ease and simplicity with which electric motors generate massive torque only helps to alleviate its passing. The Hellcat, IMO, is possibly the swan song of these magnificent beasts – as offered by an auto manufacturer.

        • Chris DeMorro

          Mark my words, people will look back on this decade (2010 to 2020) as a new golden age of automobiles, much the same way we celebrate muscle cars and Depression-era automobiles.

          And I agree, the Hellcat is something like the last gasp of the American muscle car, at least as we knew it.

          • DiscoHarvey

            Agreed, Chris! We are in the golden age of muscle. 600+ HP cars for what a Suburban costs? Awesome!! (Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to drive to work in my 98HP Mazda…)

    • daveman1

      Rubber is a petroleum product?!? You might want to research that!

      • William Wayne

        Did you not? I’m not talking about natural rubber, but the “rubber” used in car tires, inferred by the tag-line.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire
        “The materials of modern pneumatic tires are synthetic rubber, natural rubber, fabric and wire, along with carbon black and other chemical compounds.”

        Which should then lead you to:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_rubber
        “Synthetic rubber, invariably a polymer, is any type of artificial elastomer mainly synthesised from petroleum byproducts.”

        Were you thinking about something else? Were you trying to pick nits as synthetic rubber is a “by-product” of petroleum refinement?

        Please, post a link to help elucidate this matter.

        • 3ddie

          If all we were to use oil was for tires, and oil by-products we would be much better off. A lot of those by-products are easily replaceable anyway.

          • William Wayne

            If George Washington Carver were still alive, we’d already have a cheap source of peanut tires.

          • 3ddie

            I must be really stupid, ‘cos I have no clue wtf you’re talking about, or if you’re being sarcastic.

          • William Wayne

            It takes a few steps to get there. I have faith in you. Unless you’re one of those insufferable xxTJ personalities – then you will never truly get it even if you understand.

            But hey, it takes all kinds, right?

          • 3ddie

            I have no faith in that, so consider me insufferable.
            Regrettably, nuance and irony are better understood when you know, or hear the person. I don’t really care to do homework on you to really care that much any ole way.

          • William Wayne

            I understand. As I’m sure you are aware, George Washington Carver invented about 300 uses for the lowly peanut, including plastics, lubricants like oil and axle grease…

            The joke is that, in time, Carver could have figured out a way to convert peanuts into a rubber-like substance for tires…and then no oil by-products would be needed at all 😉

            Because really – drilling for oil, refining gasoline out as a waste product and keeping only the heavier stuff for tires and other things makes sense how?

          • grendal

            I got it. I thought it was funny.

          • 3ddie

            Ok, I get it, and that’s what I thought you meant.

            Well, you sound as if gasoline is at risk of being phased out. That won’t happen for a long time.

          • William Wayne

            It’ll take at least 25 years, I think. But that’s just blind speculation. You can’t just quit that kind of return on energy cold turkey, because there’s nothing that can actually replace it. Everything else is just to costly or inefficient in comparison right now.

            But, as many here know, one of the beauties of electric cars is that they are completely source agnostic. Its electricity can come from coal, ICE generators, nuclear, solar, wind, rubbing a cat with a glass rod…who cares?

            ICEs have much fewer options.

            Now…if someone manages to biologically engineer an algae or yeast or something to convert sugars into octane en masse, well – that might turn this outlook right around, wouldn’t it?

            And now I’m totally rambling…

        • VSanity

          Don’t confuse the hippies with facts.

  • JC

    Dude red lighted and decided to put on a smoke show, most likely to piss off the ev owners. The fact that you think the hellcat lost tells me you probably have never been to a real strip. Plenty of videos out there of the HC running mid-low 11s including one posted below. The p85Ds real advantage is anyone can launch it. Takes skill to launch the HC.

    • Chris DeMorro

      I mentioned all of the above in my article, including your line about anybody being able to launch it.

      That said, one guy clearly beat the other in the 1320, and it was the guy with the Tesla, not the Hellcat.

      • JC

        What ever makes you feel better about your $100k ev. Car to car the hellcat is faster from a dig and from a roll.

        And with drs (which would be a more fair fight against an awd) the tesla would get destroyed.

        And its 50k cheaper.

  • Greg Pasquariello

    Who wins in the middle of OK when the Tesla runs out of charge?

    • grendal

      The same that happens when the gas car runs out of gas. Duh.

      • Greg Pasquariello

        What’s that, I can’t find a charging station and if I can it takes me 12 hours to recharge?

        • Refman

          It’s a car for people in the city, not middle of nowhere corn fields.

          • Greg Pasquariello

            That’s so, yes. First intelligent response to my admittedly goading post.

            As I said above, until the infrastructure supports them in a manner equivalent to gas stations, there’s no point owning one unless you never leave the city.

          • 50shades

            Total misconception. The range is similar to most performance/luxury sedans. Tesla is not a Volt or a Leaf.

        • StanO5

          ~170 Miles of range in about 30 minutes at a Supercharger.

          • Greg Pasquariello

            Assuming you can find a place. I’m all for electric vehicles, but until the infrastructure supports them in a manner equivalent to gas stations, there’s no point owning one unless you never leave the city.

          • EVcine

            Have you even looked at the TESLA SUPERCHARGER map ?No company in history has built such an infrastructure in such a short time. Plus RV parks and hotels etc have charge juice.

          • Greg Pasquariello

            Your point being what? You saw fit to just call names (see below), so I know you’re an asshole, but even setting that aside, the infrastructure cannot currently support EV vehicles en masse in any place except the most populated areas, and even then it’s a challenge. So no more replies from you, m’kay?

            I hope that changes, because I like electric vehicles, and have owned 3 excellent hybrids in the past 10 years.

          • Christian G

            the Point is that for the Long distance the Supercharger Network of Tesla does a pretty good Job and is growing fast. Most other car companies seem to wait until ‘somone’ does ‘something’. So it’s refreshing that the smallest of them actueally does a something now.
            I agree, Loading outside of your Garage and superchargers charging is far from easy and if you drive on new routes you probably have to plan it quiet carefully. the charging infra structure really does have a Long way to go. I think the Main Problem right now is, that it’s hard to make Money from charging stations and they are are not used often as you Charge at home most of the times.
            On the other Hand the Chance of being stranded is quiet low, as practically every houshold does have elecricity and you could Charge there if you ask, wich will be cheaper than towing it.

          • 50shades

            How about having one in your garage? Is that convenient? I own a P85 and drive 140 miles a day for work….never have to stop and charge during the day. I go to OC, MD often….never have to stop and charge on the way. Never have to stop at a gas station. I can travel any where in the country for free, without fear of running out of charge. I would say the infrastructure is already in place to support EVs as well if not better than a gas station. I have owned many super nice cars but never had a gas station in my garage,

          • 50shades

            Do your homework

          • EVcine

            Actually its even better than 170 in 30.

        • R. S. S.

          Oh please. If you own a Tesla you used your brain to look up where the super chargers are that take nothing like 12 hours to recharge the battery.

        • EVcine

          People like yopu are either ignorant and stupid or just adamant that the facts will never get in the way of your opinions.

          • Greg Pasquariello

            What did I say that was an opinion? It is a FACT that there are currently too few charging stations to support any mass purchase of EVs. It is a FACT that it takes much longer to charge than it does to fill a tank with fuel. It is a FACT that these things contribute to many people not buying EV technology.

            Thanks for presupposing my intelligence.

          • William Wayne

            Frankly, an EV fills a very particular niche roll right now: commuter. And it fills it very well, depending on length of commute and the availability of charging at your ultimate destination.
            Eventually, this won’t be much of a problem. Same for the charging…eventually we will use supercapacitors which charge almost instantly, or maybe that electric sludge some college people invented some years ago that can be exchanged at a station…or maybe just use Tesla’s battery swap service, if that’s available (hope you don’t get a bad battery!)

            Infrastructure is probably the biggest hurdle in the United States because it’s just SO DAMN BIG. Comparatively, converting England or Germany to all electric cars would be simple.

            This is why, annoyingly, green cars are almost exclusively offered in the most population-dense cities to start…L.A. and N.Y. come to mind.

            I’ll enjoy my cheap, affordable, smog belching cars while I can – and appreciate the early adopters who have to over-pay for the next best thing when I can finally buy a great EV like a P85D without having to worry about charging infrastructure and range anxiety because it was all built on their dime. And…my tax dollars. Well, I guess we can’t really get away from it.

            Or maybe I’ll just carry a small diesel generator around as insurance! 😀

          • 50shades

            You are incorrect. Take a look at Plugshare.com to get an idea of the number of chargers available. Plus, as I said before, you have one in your garage! I come home, it takes 10 seconds to plug and I am done. Or I can schedule it to charge while I sleep.

          • EVcine

            You really do NOT understand ! TESLA’s charging network is ahead of their customer base size. They are building the gigafactory to scale up production capacity. TESLA are capacity restrained not demand restrained. This allows them plenty of heads up time. Furthermore there are other ways to charge RVparks, Hotels, Malls etc. CHARGING is NOT something you wait for it is something that happens while you do OTHER THINGS !! Bottom line is most charging is done at home.

          • Greg Pasquariello

            If that’s the end-game model, then EV cars are doomed to be limited to the wealthy. Charging while you do other things is a luxury, not something that most people can afford to do in everyday life.

        • William Wayne

          I think supercapacitors may be a good answer to this issue, if they ever develop to their expected potential.

        • grendal

          30-ish minutes in that Tesla P85D and the kicker is that it costs $0.00!! Try filling up for free in your gas car. You’ll get arrested.
          The other advantage is that you wake up every morning with a full charge.

    • 50shades

      Are you just bitter because you can not afford one?! 🙂

  • Kirk Hilles

    I’d still love to see a redesigned Roadster a smaller battery, but with Dual Motors. I bet that sucker could break some records.

    • grendal

      The new Roadster, when it comes out, will likely be a monster. Sometime around 2020 would be my guess.

  • Patrick McSwain

    Why publish this rubbish, the driver of the hellcat is a fuckwit. Come back when it’s a proper match-up, hey?

    • grendal

      That is kind of the point. You can’t be an idiot in the Tesla. An 80 year old grandmother could have done the exact same thing. The Hellcat needs to go through a procedure and a process to get a great time. The Tesla doesn’t.

      • Patrick McSwain

        The driver of the hellcat jumped the gun, realized his mistake and dropped the gas, then missed the green light. It’s not like he forgot to shift.

        • Windymac

          The Tesla would have destroyed it no matter who was behind the wheel. We know what ICE can do; Electric is only just getting started.

          • Cynic17

            Great point, Windy. The one runs an 11.68 would beat the one that can run 11.3 with a competent driver. Brilliant analysis.

          • VSanity

            I know there is no point arguing with these granola folk but its so aggravating how stupid they are.

          • imrighturwrong

            Methinks thou dost protest too much!

          • JC

            Haha… Seriously. If they only realized how dumb they sounded. Its quite obvious they never set foot on a drag strip as im quite sure those “evil” loud noises from those old gas engines scare the crap out o them

          • milehisnk

            I just laugh when they talk about all the money on gas they would save by buying a $120k (without options) golf cart…that has a $15k or more battery that has to be replaced about every 7 years. I’d have to drive my mustang over 12000 miles per year 100% city to spend that much in gas.

          • VSanity

            I did it out, and at current gas prices and current electricity prices in Massachusetts (where I live) it would take someone over 50 years to recoup the additional cost of the Tesla over the Hellcat not including battery replacement or anything. That’s based on the 10,000 miles a year I drive (obviously the more miles per year the less time it would take to recoup).

          • VSanity

            Both Hellcats have a faster quarter mile time than the tesla FACT

            Both Hellcats cost at least 40,000 dollars less than the tesla
            FACT

            The Tesla has almost as much horsepower and weighs very nearly the same as the Challenger
            FACT

            Give The Hellcat AWD like the TESLA and it wouldn’t even be a contest.

          • MP725

            .3 second quarter mile different is far from “faster”… there are a hundred different reasons why one car can do better than another on a different track or different day (not to mention the 11.6 was a nonprofessional driver.

            Teslas cost more because of their electric setup, not their performance (dumb argument).

            Challenger is 500lb lighter (big difference in cars).

            Saying “give the Hellcat AWD” is like saying give a Civic a small block Chevy motor. You’re not comparing apples to apples, you are comparing genetically modified oranges to apples.

          • VSanity

            lol. In the world of quarter miles .3 is definitely faster. Also not sure where you’re getting .3 Its actually .5 for the Challenger and .7 seconds faster for the Charger. Put them on Drag tires and the Charger is a full second faster than the Tesla.

            Do you realize how stupid you sound when you say i’m not comparing apples to oranges? You’re comparing a ELECTRIC car with a 45,000 dollar cheaper gas power car. The Charger has AWD Variants so it’s not unheard of to think they would come out with an AWD Hellcat if the demand serves.

          • MP725

            In the world of EVERYTHING .3 is faster but it doesn’t account for any of the conditional or driver differences. .3 seconds on 700hp cars can be completely explained by reactions, driver errors, tires, altitude, atmospheric conditions, temperatures, etc. Not sure why you are talking about Chargers which aren’t mentioned anywhere here and are otherwise irrelevant. Again now we are talking Charger AWD so you’re just trailing off into irrelevance because it is about a Challenger Hellcat. They COULD build a Challenger with a hatch back but until they do, don’t suggest it is likely to exist. The Challenger Hellcat curb weight is 4439 and the Tesla is 4936 so wrong again. Do some research before you spout clear nonsense and make yourself look stupid.

          • VSanity

            The whole story is irrelevant! The hellcat didn’t even make the run. I brought up the charger because of people referring to the tesla as a family saloon versus a 2 door. The Charger is faster.

            I concede the weight to you however. I was using the regular model S weight, didn’t realize the P85D added 300 points (ouch).

            The only thing I was wrong on (even half so) was the weight.

          • Ameno-Sagiri

            Uh oh! The spooky newfangled electric car technology is scaring the “folks” who like to drive loud noisy pieces of shit that put out emissions that kill people.

            One day we’ll all be driving electric or some form of it, and it will be cheaper and more reliable.

          • VSanity

            Where does your electricity come from? Hope its nuclear, otherwise you’re just as bad everyone else. I’m sure all those batteries will be great for the earth once you’re done with your toy also.

          • Nh80

            Adding $30 a month on my home’s electric bill is cheaper than filling the Hellcat up every 150 miles.

          • VSanity

            You would have to own the Tesla for over 50 years to make up for the price difference between the Hellcat and it. Your argument is the most invalid argument on the planet.

          • Kevin Phan

            Tesla model 3 is 27k with tax breaks, a new hell cat is 60k, so no, it wouldn’t take ANY years for the price difference in gas vs electric to be made up.

          • milehisnk

            Tesla Model 3 doesn’t exist.

          • Logical Thinker

            Soon. Very soon. Enjoy your Rube Goldberg fire-powered jalopies all you want. We enjoy pure power, delivered in precision-optimized technology.

          • OneHairyfoot

            Curse you Parry the Platypus!

          • itscion

            When they make them as bad a$$ as the “Rube Goldberg fire-powered jalopies” for a comparable cost, then people will switch. It’s not like there is this big anti-electric car group that you need to rebel against….jeeeeze.

          • Don Williams

            I’m really excited about the future of electric, but it’s got a few tech hurdles to jump before I’ll jump in myself. But it is VERY close.

          • Delta-T Antenna Will Take You Anywhere You Want To Go. All you need to do is prepare your self.

          • Don Williams

            Rube Goldberg is how I describe how power actually gets to an electric car. And it often starts with a coal miner.

          • Garrett McElveen

            Tell ya what, lemme take a 351 Windsor, bump the compression to 16:1, burn Methanol and destroy that Model S. Buddy, just because it burns fuel, doesn’t mean jack. It’d be more efficient, because at the end of the day, your power starts in a power plant that burns fossil fuels. Mine is the power plant and it burns renewable fuels. Go learn something about ICE and electricity then come back to the gearheads with your big boy pants on.

          • pushbacknow

            and what renewable fuel would that be? I can get my electric power from the solar panels on my roof……and you?

          • Garrett McElveen

            I can grow acres of corn ferment them and get ethanol via distillation. Bout as renewable as it gets. And my shit doesn’t require those nasty lithium batteries or daylight to produce power bwahahaha.

          • randall r

            It takes sunlight to grow corn..js

          • No BUT KIGERSTANG DOES!
            LMAO.
            http://1drv.ms/1zu8Ozb

          • VSanity

            lol. The two wouldn’t be comparable. only the top model of the Model S is even remotely comparable to the Hellcats (it’s still slower and worse at handling so not really) and it costs 45,000 more. The Model 3 would be much much MUCH slower and more useless than a hellcat, SRT, or RT Charger/Challenger (probably even the v6 which you could pick up for 20k). You wouldn’t compare a big car like the Charger or Challenger to the Model 3 though, You’d find yourself a nice fuel efficient car like a nice Focus or ILX or other more suitable car that doesn’t require a government hand out.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            uh.. are you kidding me? Chrysler, now Fiat was bailed out by the government, the 10B+ plus loan cost the taxpayers more than a billion dollars…. The tax breaks given to Tesla, Nissan, BMW and GM combined are a drop in the bucket compared to the Chrysler bailout..

          • TitaniumDart01

            Yeah, but guess what buddy, Chrysler can sell EVERY SINGLE HELLCAT for 5-15,000$ over msrp , and sell every other car they make and still have demand for more. They aren’t hurting in any way now, they paid back all of their loans way before their given time frame and they paid interest and they created a shit ton of jobs in the US, Italy, China, Canada and South America. Stop bitching about the bailout. Its old and sad

          • TT

            And Tesla has a two years waiting list. Chrysler et al are still the walking dead now we’re post Peak Oil.

          • VSanity

            Or… People will pay $20k above sticker to get a hellcat now because there is such high demand…. In fact the Challenger is one of the top 5 cars by retained value since it is in such demand.

          • Bung0

            And how about the Tesla retained value? Oh wait, don’t Google that, it might cause you to do something rash.

          • nynetguy

            And by “Rash” I assume you mean laugh mercilessly in your face?

            http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/best-retained-value-cars.html

            No mention of Tesla in there spanky.

          • Bung0

            Umn, please stay away from sharp objects when you read this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2014/02/07/tesla-model-s-worth-more-used-than-new/

            Toodles!

          • Don Williams

            Post peak oil? Peak oil, like AGW, is a prediction that never happened. Currently there is 250 years of oil in known wells and reserves. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the concept of the electric and I DO think they will eventually take over. But Oil is king and will be for at least another century. It’s also cleaner than electric – so far.

          • Logical Thinker

            Wrong: Chrysler did NOT pay back its loans. It negotiated out of them with financial restructuring. Google it.

            www dot forbes dot com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/

          • VSanity

            How can you argue about government money when people buying Teslas get a tax credit they don’t deserve?

          • Bung0

            Why don’t they deserve it? Second question: why do you deserve all the subsides afforded to the petro-chem industry that result in gas prices way below TMV? Third question: why do you get to take advantage of Section 149 tax deduction if you so choose? Oh, don’t know what that is? Google it.

          • Bung0

            Noticed you never replied. Probably best you vaporized back into the ether. Must be painful making such an awful fool of yourself.

          • nynetguy

            You’re either a fucking moron or a lying cunt.

            From page 2 of the article you cited:

            Chrysler: repaid $9.2 billion, fulfilling its debt obligations to the U.S. and Canadian governments, and is now owned by Italian automaker Fiat (58.5%) and a health care trust for UAW retirees (41.5%). Overall, taxpayers lost $1.3 billion on the Chrysler bailout. In full recovery mode, Chrysler is currently the fastest-growing carmaker in the world.

            Next time, try learning how to read genius.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            They aren’t hurting now because they’re owned by Fiat.. Your point was that Tesla was getting handouts. How did you feel in 2009 when “we” the american taxpayer gave Chrysler, a non u.s. owned car company money? btw, they’ve only paid back 7 of the 10 billion they’ve owed.. recall they were owned by a Private Equity Group at the time. I hope Chrysler sells every car they make. I wish them no ill will. If I had a 5 car garage i might consider buying a hellcat.. I’d probably drop 400K on a 70 superbird instead.. but that’s different..

          • Logical Thinker

            True. The ATVM program that have Tells 465 million gave Ford 5.9 BILLION. And to be clear, Tesla alone has actually paid off its loan.
            TESLA NEVER took any bailout money. That WAS direct govt subsidies to GM and so forth. Those car companies are the ones in the taxpayers pockets.

            Even Chrysler negotiated its way out of paying off its debts.

          • Garrett McElveen

            Ford took out personal loans, not bailout money. But hey good luck with your future ride space man. HAHAHAHA

          • VSanity

            Here, I’ll link one of the most liberal sources on the net to prove you idiots wrong. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/chrysler-government-loans_n_867108.html

          • Bung0

            Ahh, now the mentally ill kook exposes himself by invoking political fanaticism when the facts are insurmountable. Toddle off, kook, and enjoy your bread & circuses, Fox News, etc…

            PS: I would fall into the conservative spectrum, if this were the Reagan years.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            yeah … they borrowed 10+ billion paying back 7 is just business.. hence my comment on the billion plus difference..

          • scooter

            The taxpayer took a 16 to 25 billion dollar loss on GM, plus the taxpayer gets to pay the 9% interest on the union loan until 2017, and a 1.3 billion loss on Chrysler, not really a drop in the bucket.

          • CROXTONBOY

            The tax-payer takes a loss every time he hands money over to the Govt !!

          • Brian Fletcher

            except that GM still hasn’t paid back its part of the bailout while chrysler is once again MAKING a profit… I’ll keep my Chrysler 300c over that electric shit anyday

          • Logical Thinker

            Worse handling? Try driving the two.

            Tesla P85D delivers pinpoint precision handling. Far far better than the hellcat

          • VSanity

            lol, “pinpoint precision”, lol.

            Lets not let facts get in the way right? Like the fact that the hellcat has better handling than the tesla.

            Do you even realize how little credibility you grant yourself when you say things like that?

          • Robert

            If you go back only a hand full of years Chrysler (and GM) took Billions of Government handouts to prevent going under. This is the 3rd time Chrysler in the last 35 or so years has been at Bankruptcies door, oh wait the third time was the charm and they actually did have to file Chapter 11. Lee Iacocca saved them from Bankruptcy with his skills, The Mercedes Merger saved them, then the Government Bailout and merger with Fiat had to save them again. Chrysler is a money pit.

          • VSanity

            The mercedes merger didn’t save chrysler. Please get your facts straight.

            Chrysler went the way a company is supposed to go. Instead of getting propped up by the government like GM they got bought, their culture was forced to change and they were forced to start doing things right.

            GM never had to learn that lesson, that’s why GM cars are still overpriced and still poor quality.

          • Bung0

            “government hand out”.

            Every time you fill your gas tank you are taking advantage of massive gov subsidies. Every. Single. Time. And before you respond, just Google it. Thanks.

          • Sick and tired

            Pretty sure handling on the Tesla is better. This heat proves it. The guy (I’m assuming male with all the tire burning BS) in the Hellcat was drifting for most of the run at a supremely quirky angle. While I do agree, he was a terrible driver, screwed up the start, and never recovered, I still think the Tesla would have won. Does Top Gear have either of these cars going around their track?

          • Garrett McElveen

            When you dump your throttle and then smack back on it, you’re gonna break loose. Guess you’ve never driven a RWD car. Kids these days

          • TitaniumDart01

            Who makes the Tesla model 3? That’s news to even Elon Musk himself considering telsa only use letters for their models…model s, model x and another they were gong to call the model E. And no Tesla comes to 27,000$ after tax breaks and incentives. Hell. The Chevy volt doesn’t even.

          • Logical Thinker

            Haha, wrong on both counts.
            Volt new is as low as $26670 after fed tax credit.
            Chevy dot com slash volt

            Tesla model 3 is going to sell for $35K before tax credit. I.e. $27,500 after tax credit.

          • Rugbywarrior

            Not at 691 HP its not.

          • Don Williams

            I think a person with the moniker “Logical Thinker” is as much a logical thinker as a person with the moniker, “I’m Pretty” is, in fact, pretty.

            But at least with the latter, we are not offered proof to confirm our suspicions. 😀

          • Eric

            I love the battery technology, but how about if you folks who want to buy one do so without government credits. Why should I pitch in tax money to pay for your fancy car?

          • Bung0

            Every time you fill your gas tank you are taking advantage of massive gov subsidies. Every. Single. Time. And before you respond, just Google it. Thanks.

          • VSanity

            Exactly. We’re already paying 50-75 cents a gallon in gas taxes.

          • joshuacyr

            This is true in theory, but keep in mind the effect on the price of electricity that would occur in a mass exodus from gasoline to electric power. The current situation is great for electric car owners, but will change drastically once electric cars become the norm unless we start vastly improving electric infrastructure very soon.

          • itscion

            wow…the gov gives you a 93 grand tax break on a 120 grand luxury car!!!!! Um…I think not.

          • Jeeves Seveej

            LOL no actually with the 7,500 dollar tax deduction the tesla used in this piece costs almost twice as much as the hellcat. 128,998-137,045 depending on options. That price range includes the tax deduction already taken out. You’re a moron.

          • TT

            And if you include fuel costs? You’d recoup the difference in a few years with normal driving habits.

          • VSanity

            Umm… The 50 years was including fuel costs. Without fuel costs you would NEVER recoup that cost.

          • TT

            Including fuel costs for the NON-Tesla car Einstein. Like for like, mile for mile.

          • Logical Thinker

            You ignore maintenance. Cut that time to ten years.

          • VSanity

            So the Tesla requires no maintenance now? Maintenance on a gasoline powered car isn’t very much if you’re not an idiot.

          • Joshua Werstler

            He’s not talking the price difference he was talking environmental impact. Reading comprehension 101

          • Anything can be argued between two people who want to waddle in their own manure. “Better yet, buy a three-cylinder, 49-horsepower 1994 Geo Metro XFi, one of the most fuel-efficient cars ever built. It gets the same average mileage as a 2008 Prius, so a new hybrid would never close the carbon gap. Sure, the XFi has no AC or airbags — but nobody said saving the planet would be comfortable, or even safe.” http://archive.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_09usedcars

          • grendal

            I owned a regular Geo Metro and it was a great car. No bells and whistles but it got you to where you wanted to go and got 45 MPG even after 250,000 miles were put on it. I have nothing but fond memories of that car.

          • milehisnk

            Until you have to spend $15,000 (or likely much more) to replace the battery in that $120,000 golf cart…

          • Logical Thinker

            Um no, it’ll be in twenty years and less than a transmission job on your Rube Goldberg fire-powered Hellcat.

          • VSanity

            Just how much do you think a transmission costs? Nevermind that most people don’t own their cars long enough to require a transmission replacement. Personally I like to buy a car, drive it for 6 months than set it on fire in my back yard. Wanna be sure I can be as wasteful as possible, right?

            Besides, maintenance is real cheap when you do the oil changes yourself. Since I drive a gas car I just let the oil drain right into mother earth. Filling her back up as I like to say.

          • Bung0

            Source? I thought not. Thanks!

          • djmc993150

            you’re adding more than $30 on your phone bill, you actually have a much larger carbon footprint. Not even counting the increased manufacturing footprint of the tesla, it takes more electricty to charge your tesla than it would if you drove a hybrid. More electricity means more carbon burn. All those lovely powerlines you are using to charge your car are burning electricity and you are causing it. All you are doing with a tesla is transferring the carbon footprint to your electric company so you can feel better about yourself.

          • TT

            You’re not adding anything to your ‘phone bill’, trust me. Of course it takes more electricity to charge a Tesla than a hybrid, the hybrid is also using gasoline (you do realise that’s what hybrid means, right?). The Tesla doesn’t use any gasoline, just electricity. How does more electricity mean more carbon burn? Solar, goetherm and wind don’t burn carbon. There don’t even need to be powerlines, you can put PV cells on your garage roof and charge the Tesla completely independently of the grid. The electric company don’t need to be involved, there is no carbon footprint to transfer. Today’s lesson brought to you by the letters F and U.

          • Rugbywarrior

            You’re right about the carbon footprint but return on investment will be terrible. If you are a great DIY person and can build your own solar set up, you are still putting down about 2-3k to build it including panels, charge controller, power converter, wiring, conduit, batteries, etc. Not to mention, you need daylight consistently. If there is not a lot of sun, you will need even more solar panels (more $$$). The avg american is not a DIYer so to hire an electrical contractor specialized in solar power, now you are talking up to $10K. 10,000/30=333 months or about 27 years to make up the cost. Economics 101. Your “lesson” is ignorant…wait, are you a congressman?

          • djmc993150

            Oh wow, you caught me not fixing an autocorrect. I am “soooo embarrassed.”
            Yes and the 13% of energy in the US that comes from renewables like solar and wind are all located where tesla owners are. I feel sooo schooled. Todays “so sorry” brought to you by the words “research” and “you are making up hypotheticals that dont exist”.

          • Bung0

            Your reading assignment is above.

          • djmc993150

            so is yours dum – as

          • Bung0

            You’re really worked up into a hysterical fit, aren’t you ‘lil bub. Cool your jets, look at yourself in the mirror, feel a bit of shame, then read the actual published studies and better yourself. Why wouldn’t you? I’m just the messenger here, got no allegiance to anyone or any side other than the scientifically valid facts. Or, you can continue to argue that 2+2 does not equal 4, if that’s really what makes your day.

          • djmc993150

            Aww how cutte, you are trying to use your big boy words. Did your mom help you with the 2+2 part?
            see how that works “bub”.
            I find it funny you pretend to be an adult and can only come up with “my article is better than your article” and 3rd grade level ad hominems.

          • Bung0

            No, my links to empirical studies trumps any link to something which is not. Again, just science. But hey, I guess you got a compulsion to continue to argue that 2+2 does not equal 4, so please do carry on. And I’ll leave you yet another nice link which has citations of actual studies, like from the EPA and such. http://insideevs.com/dispelling-some-myths-about-the-environmental-impact-of-electric-vehicles/

          • Bung0

            Oh yea… I think you meant to type “cute”, right? Just asking.

          • TT

            Oh right, so because it’s 13% right now that’s all it could ever be (even though it was approximately 0% not thirty years ago). I guess technological progress isn’t a concept you’re hugely familiar with?

          • djmc993150

            Aww how special, 13 huge percent. In that same time natural gas power generation has increased by even more going from ~17 to ~33%. While hydro and other technologies have stagnated. I guess actual research isnt a concept you are familiar with.

          • VSanity

            So you’ll be sure to let us know when you’ve perfected your perpetual motion machine right?

          • TT

            Oh I’m sorry, didn’t you know that solar, wind and geotherm energy exist? I guess you don’t get out much, what with the price of gas and so on.

          • Jim Seko

            The CO2 emissions of an electric car using the average mix of energy in the US is about 200 grams per mile. In an area where 85% of electricity comes from coal the emissions are 270 grams per mile. The average gasoline vehicle has emissions of 480 grams per mile. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?zipCode=63122&year=2014&vehicleId=34699&action=bt3

          • djmc993150

            From the site you gave: “Total emissions rate includes tailpipe emissions and the emissions associated with the production and distribution of fuel. Emissions associated with electric operation are estimated using recent electricity generation data regardless of the model year of the vehicle selected.”

            Doesnt include powerline loss. From the looks of it they only calculated how much it takes to generate that much electricity at the plant, not the amount to transmit it to your car. Depending on distance to your house, thats anywhere from 6-10% (thats of energy lost not increased carbon emission so dont confuse the two). When not making sure to pick the smallest plug in car (the leaf) like you did, the numbers do add up.

          • Jim Seko

            What makes you assume the transmission line losses were not included?

          • djmc993150

            With powerline loss included:

            http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

            Yes they CAN be efficient, but that doesnt mean the are, relative mpg is from 30 to 70 when grid loss is included and avg type of power generation etc.. The average hybrid has better mpg. Admittedly, the author also didnt do a great job of including factors as someone pointed out. However, the point is, that EV’s are not as efficient as people would like to think and a good hybrid is probably just as good in my view based on the electric distribution requirement.
            What is your source for 40%. Further, IF the number of EVs increased that number would plummet regardless. Doing so would stress the grid – particularly in california – and incur additional grid expansion, power generation, and carbon use. Hybrids decease consumption and dont add to the grid.

          • Jim Seko
          • djmc993150

            That’s California only, not national or international. Solar doesn’t work as well everywhere else.
            Also of note, 95% have a gas car too.

          • VSanity

            Ha Hahahahahaha
            I see teslas all around here in MA. Not a one of their owners has rooftop solar panels. They bought them for the same reason anyone buys any electric car. To be sure everyone knows they think they’re better than you.

          • Jim Seko

            I know several people who have plug in cars + solar panels but anecdotal evidence is not convincing. The fact is we presently have 16 gigaWatts (a nuclear power plant is roughly 1 gigaWatts) of solar energy installed in the US and solar energy has a 49% compound annual growth rate.

          • Bung0

            Nope. Read this actual science, then report back:

            http://www.environment.ucla.edu/media/files/BatteryElectricVehicleLCA2012-rh-ptd.pdf

            Thanks!

          • djmc993150

            Read this.. Some ACTUAL attempt to calculate true cost that was meant to “debunk” concerns about EV efficiency.

            http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

            specifically:
            “It is important to remember that the electricity you get might not match your national average for any number of reasons. The night time intensity might vary, you might have solar panels or live in a country like the US, where the grid is actually a bunch of separate grids. For example in Colorado a grid powered electric car is equivalent to about 30 MPGUS, whereas in California it’s up around 70 MPGUS.”

          • Bung0

            Empirical published study is valid. The rest is not. There are plenty more empirical published studies that support the findings in the one I linked too. Facts is facts, ‘lil bub. Why dig your heels in? Just makes you more the fool, is that what you want?

          • George Armstrong

            “Carbon footprints” are for suckers who buy into AlGorisms. There is no such thing!

          • Iwer Mørck

            You do realize that it takes quite a bit of energy to produce your much loved gasoline, right?

          • djmc993150

            Except even those “debunking” that electric cars are not as efficient as advertised show its not as clear cut a case as you all pretend.

            http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

            Specific part for you:

            “It is important to remember that the electricity you get might not match your national average for any number of reasons. The night time intensity might vary, you might have solar panels or live in a country like the US, where the grid is actually a bunch of separate grids. For example in Colorado a grid powered electric car is equivalent to about 30 MPGUS, whereas in California it’s up around 70 MPGUS.”

          • Iwer Mørck

            Did you read the comment section, where the author of the article discusses oil refining with a commenter? It seems the author to some extent grants that he might not have taken everything into account. Fact is, it is difficult to find reliable data for both sides of the argument.

          • Ron

            You do realize that it takes quite a bit of energy to produce your much loved electricity, right?

          • Iwer Mørck

            That was sort of the point. First you use coal to make electricity, which you then use to refine gasoline, which you then burn in your beloved engine.

          • Bung0

            You’re late on your reading assignment. Chop chop!

          • Commenter

            30? how about a 100 plus a month to charge those 24 batteries

          • TT

            How about spend $3k on PV cells and $0 per month for charging?

          • Logical Thinker

            Um actually the average is around $30/month. That’s exactly what it costs me monthly to charge my Volt daily for an average 40-mile daily commute. Study it.

          • VSanity

            Whoa whoa whoa. You drive a volt? Thats not an EV… You get 36 miles of electric charge then the rest you’re relying on an engine revving at 10,000 rpms to move that motor and batteries.

          • VSanity

            It doesn’t matter what the cost is. I used 33$ a month of added electricity costs assuming 10,000 miles a year driven. It would take over 50 years to recoup the added cost of this Tesla versus the Hellcat Challenger in current fuel costs. Even if they did go back up to $4 a gallon (not likely any time soon) it would still take well over 20 years to recoup the cost. Not to mention electric costs will fluctuate and increase with typical fuel costs. Nevermind the fact that if everyone buys an electric car the cost of electricity will sky-rocket.

          • Nh80

            Not if you take it to the mall or some place with the free charging stations.

          • Will Seay

            Not any more… #1.87agalon!

          • You say that like it’s not going to go back up above 4.00 within six months.

          • TT

            Yeah cos that’s going to last. It’s not like oil is a finite resource or anything.

          • Nh80

            A valid point.

          • TitaniumDart01

            U might want to read the brochure for a challenger hellcat…it gets way more than 150 miles…like 2.5 as much. And it takes less than 5 min to fill…not the 6-12 hours or more for the Tesla to fully charge

          • TT

            Take less than 3 to battery swap a Tesla at the charging station (when you’re travelling), it’s quicker than filling with gas. And when you’re not travelling, who cares if it takes 6 hours whilst you’re sleeping or not using the car to charge? Sleep and fill up free sounds like a good thing to me.

          • Logical Thinker

            It only takes a second to refill a Tesla: plug it in. Done. In your garage, at your convenience. And if you want to count the time the actual charging takes, it takes only a few minutes because it’s not like a gas car that you run until nearly empty then search for a gas station. Rather, you just plug it in (or soon, let it plug itself in) every day like a phone.

            So if you have a daily 30-mile commute you are refilled in about 30 minutes with a Tesla high power wall connector.

          • Bung0

            Umn, ever hear of the Tesla Supercharger? Maybe do a little Google before making a total fool of yourself. Maybe?

          • Nh80

            There are charging stations available for free along many major highways that can charge a Tesla fully in under 45 minutes. Try again.

          • scooter

            How do you feel about being 5 years ahead in pollution before plugging that rolling chemical spill in for the first time?

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist

            You assume all electricity goes from non-renewable sources.

          • VSanity

            Come on bring on the chart. Lets do it!
            A whopping 13% from renewable.

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist

            That doesn’t negate my comment.

          • VSanity

            It doesn’t negate mine either. The MAJORITY of electricity comes from fossil fuels. Nuclear power should be 100% in my honest opinion. It is 100% recyclable and the most efficient, cleanest and safest source of energy but for some reason Americans are too stupid to embrace it.

          • Arhcangel

            OH most Americans agree Nuclear is the way to go when presented with the facts. Right up until you tell them the plant is going up in their zip code.

          • VSanity

            I would live in the same town as a Nuclear Plant. When I was at Clemson I lived very near the east coast’s biggest plant. Nuclear power is an amazing thing and I haven’t the slightest worry about its safety.

          • Petko Petkov

            You’re in the minority then. Even in the progressive SF Bay Area people are uninformed, scared and hostile about Nuclear energy. Ask whomever questions your understanding of Nuclear power to watch “Pandora’s Promise”, highly informative, AND it shows the US is still #1 in the development of that technology! Great documentary.

          • VSanity

            I actually have shared Pandora’s Promise 🙂

          • ender

            you cant put nuclear power in most of california due to the massive fault lines in the state. that being said, Liquid Thorium Reactors are the best way to go for nuclear, otherwise you have to shell out the money for funding the LIFE reactor.

          • Justin Presley

            You most certainly can place a modern reactor in CA, you just need a back up failsafe pump for emergency coolant.

          • TT

            Three Mile Island. Fukushima. Chernobyl. Twenty thousand years of radioactive threat from waste. So much radioactive waste there isn’t enough concrete in the world to contain it. Radioactive outwaste into the water table and the oceans. Cancer clusters around nuclear facilities. But you’re not even slightly worried about safety? Just as well all the sane people are then I guess.

          • Justin Presley

            The problem is a self sustaining one, old 1940’s generation reactor has a problem and instead of replacing them all with newer vastly safer designs, we pass legislation that makes the construction or retrofit of reactors impossible guaranteeing that no reactors are made using the safer design then a reactor fails due to it’s age, rinse and repeat.

          • Petko Petkov

            Hopefully, you’ve seen Pandoras Promise, and would vote as an informed person if needed.

          • TT

            Recyclable? Cleanest? Safest? Are you nuts or just really, really stupid?

          • VSanity

            I’m sane, and not a homely liberal.

          • TT

            Guess you’re just ignorant then. Shame on you.

          • Jason Mack

            Nuclear 100% recyclable? Explain yourself.

          • VSanity

            Nuclear fuel reprocessing

          • OneHairyfoot

            What book are you Reading that spent fuel cells from Nuclear is 100 %recyclable? Please paste it here for evidence?

          • Rugbywarrior

            I don’t disagree in the present time, but in the age of wild terrorism, I think renewable is probably the best long term solution.

          • Bung0

            Hoping you come back and edit this comment after you complete your reading assignment.

          • Bung0

            “100% recyclable”…giggles. I’m actually a proponent of nuclear power, just not of how it tends to be implemented and managed. But you are clearly an uneducated dope. Just say’n!

          • Iwer Mørck

            Here I actually do agree with you

          • Petko Petkov

            Yeah, don’t try to change the subject.

            The Hellkitty got whooped by a go-cart with 4 elevator motors in it, designed in few years by a brand new company.
            FACT

            You did conveniently ignore the fact that ANYONE could sit in the P85D and get that time, whereas the Hellkittycat needs “an experienced racecar driver” to get top performance on the drag strip, and the driver that was entrusted driving it was “a fuckwit”.
            FACT

            I know it hurts that the thing you know so much about is at its sunset, with so many other technologies coming up, but times-a-changin’ and you either change or be forgotten.

            Man up and face the facts.

          • VSanity

            Anybody could get in the Hellcat and do that time as well. The automatic is the fastest version and it has launch control. The only reason the hellcat lost is because the driver jumped the gun (something that has nothing to do with either car) so he gave up on the run.

          • Petko Petkov

            “Anybody”, sure, sure. Go drive the Hellcat, and show us how it’s done then.

          • VSanity

            Give me a hellcat and a drag strip and I will. Give me a Tesla and I’ll sell it and get a Hellcat and a focus electric.

          • Bung0

            Then you really are mentally ill. From a simple economics standpoint alone! But fun to watch you piss and hiss while trapped in your ICE cage. Poking you with the Tesla stick is funz!

          • Rugbywarrior

            I know my Mustang GT with sport suspension and traction control has idiot proof take off. It even handles great on snow. Shut that traction control off and you will meet a ditch in about 4 seconds (on snow). So yeah, I’m sure launch control is just as good, if not better than the Tesla. In fact, its probably the same exact technology. Motors are stupid, they just do what a computer tells it to. Doesn’t matter if it’s electric or gas. They probably use the same sensors and slightly different computer programming to do the same thing.

          • Bung0

            Sounding a bit desperate here. Just say’n.

          • milehisnk

            Actually, a halfway competent driver in the hellcat would rape the golf cart. And unlike the golf cart, the Hellcat can be driven ANYWHERE, not just from one yuppy town to another that has the supercharger stations. No 1 hour fill up times, no careful planning and hypermiling to HOPE you get to another supercharger station in 250 miles…

          • Russ T Shakkleford

            Someone has been sucking on his exhaust pipe.

          • Bung0

            Umn, last I checked, there is a wall outlet on almost every wall of every structure. Just say’n.

          • VSanity

            Last I checked my Apartment complex doesn’t have an outlet outside, nor does my office building. Just say’n

          • Bung0

            Inside! Inside you dummy! What are you so afraid of that this amazing vehicle turns you into a mentally ill lunatic? Does its existence somehow diminish your sense of self, ego, machismo, or some such thing? Are you terrified of the future? What? Is it an actual phobia, like you are terrified by spiders or something? Please, clue me in so I can learn.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            You really can’t use the whole as a comparison…For Kentucky, sure most of the power comes from coal. Tesla doesn’t well as there really is zero benefit from charging at night either. In contrast, Tennessee, Washington State and Northern Cal get a big chunk of their power from hydro, and while it kills salmon is effectively a renewable resource.. Tesla sells very well there.. it’s on the Tesla website to how power is generated.

          • DH405

            The ICE in your car cannot even BEGIN to compare to the efficiency and emissions controls available on pretty much ANY power plant. The plants have scrubber stacks and are designed to wring every tiny joule of energy from the fuel. Your car exhausts heat and unexpended fuel like crazy.

            Even if an electric car owner’s power came from coal, they’d still be many times cleaner than the harm your car does.

          • TT

            You say this as if you think it’s a. sustainable and b. unchangeable/unchanging. What do you see happening when oil, gas and coal run out? Will we just not have electricity any more?

          • Rugbywarrior

            Do you realize how much oil in is the world? Especially given new technologies. That is an ignorant statement. The natural gas in the Marcellus shale has a supply for over 100 years. the Utica shale is so much larger, they don’t even know yet how much NG is in that thing but they know its WAY more than Marcellus. Alaska has more land area an it has nothing but oil underneath. That is America alone and sayd nothing about the middle east. I’m not a big proponent of oil either but I also despise people who try to pass off ignorant opinions as fact. Frankly, there is probably 1,000 years of oil supply left on earth. Oh, and oil is renewable, it just doesn’t recharge as fast as our demand for it.

          • Tom Schmidt Jr

            Now I’ve heard it all… oil is a renewable resource! Who know the solution was in semantics? 🙂

          • Rugbywarrior

            Well, yes it is in semantics. Like I said, I’m not a big proponent of oil when new technologies are making renewable energy more efficient every day. If we could begin winding down oil consumption for renewable energy, we could feasibly sustain oil harvesting as a supplementary energy source. Its common knowledge that it’s better to diversify rather than putting all your eggs into one basket.

          • Justin Presley

            Where do you think oil comes from? It is decaying organic matter. There are a number of research projects that have promise in speeding up the transition and even eliminating it. Specifically one researcher is engineering bacteria that convert trash and waste to a form of fuel.

          • MrInterpid

            There are top scientists and engineers who would dispute your statement about oil being from decaying organic matter. Some of them think that the oil we pump out is a product of the natural process of the earths crust being formed. If you start with the assumption that the earth started as a big molten ball of carbon “stuff” that has been cooling (crust forming from the outside in) for millions of years and will continue for millions of years, then the oil could be a byproduct of that process. Please, just for the sake of discussion, calculate the surface area of the planet and then calculate how many feet deep the plant and animal remains would have to be to produce even the amount of oil we have pumped so far. That oil is old plants and dinosaur bones is an unproven theory that we fed school kids in the sixties.

          • TT

            Shale gas? 1. it’s not oil, b. it’s incredibly destructive to extract. Re oil, actual REAL oil, there may be as much 100 years left at current levels. But with BRICS development those levels aren’t going to stay current for long. What LIMITED SUPPLY there is would be far more wisely used for purposes we DON’T have alternative sources for. Combustion is a wickedly wasteful thing to do to a hydrocarbon. But hey, what do you care, you’ll be dead before it’s a problem right? Who gives a feck about future generations or the ecology of the planet. Let me guess, you’re American?

          • Jim Shields

            they make solar panels nowadays. some places are 100% solar powered now. and there are more people working in solar power jobs than coal mining now too. http://www.businessinsider.com/us-has-more-solar-workers-than-coal-miners-2014-7

          • Russ T Shakkleford

            Solar and wind, bitch.
            Batteries are recycled, idiot. Can’t say that for all the oil your old POS leaks in your driveway.

          • Solar, actually. Mine comes from solar.

          • Jim Seko

            Lithium batteries have roughly 10 years of life in an electric car. After that the battery can be used for another 10 years for grid storage.

          • TT

            Nuclear? The waste will be around infinitely longer than any battery, so not sure why you think that would be the preferable option. Have you not heard of renewable energies?

          • Gill

            The electricity can be sourced from solar. It’s clean.I think Tesla has has refute the stigma attached to electric cars. They have proven to be fast, look good and achieve long distances on a single charge. Tesla is now building an infrastructure so you can drive one from coast to coast.

          • Bung0

            Umn, nope. So either you are a liar, or too dumb to do a moment of Googling. Here, ‘lil bub, here’s a nice science-ie sort of paper to either enlighten you, or shut down your little FUD Factory: http://www.environment.ucla.edu/media/files/BatteryElectricVehicleLCA2012-rh-ptd.pdf

            Pssst… in case you can’t handle reading the whole paper, just skip to the Conclusion.

          • davyjOtown
          • thaddius

            Nonsense. You can more effectively control emissions from a single location (e.g. Coal-fired electricity plant) rather than dispersed across the US over 250 million cars. So no, it’s not “just as bad as everyone else”.

          • F R Burdett

            Valid point, VSanity… Battery disposal is still a real concern — as is SAFETY of EMS personnel when getting someone out of a wrecked eVehicle!
            But disposal of un-reusable parts of ALL vehicles is an environmental issue…and has been from the beginning. Most modern cars are close to 85% recyclable, and that is true with with eVehicles as well …except for those darned ole batteries! Only about half of a high-charge battery ‘can’ be reused…but it is quite expensive to separate the elements effectively.
            But, over time … as Nh80 points out … electric will become more and more “standardized” and more widely accessible. And faster charging cycles…

          • Strandwolf

            Hydro, solar, wind, geothermal?

          • Shaun Becker

            Tesla will take care of that as well. Elon Musk is a problem solver.

          • Ever hear of solar panels… Look it up. FREE, yes they are real. IN FL, where I live, they actually work.

          • bobfairlane

            Nuclear power is nuclear shit.

          • Hemp…

          • BK Alley

            Not even close to a valid argument against electric. Give up, you brainwashed dolt.

          • pushbacknow

            agreed, some of it comes from coal, but a lot comes from nuclear, hydro and natural gas, and if we stopped subsidizing coal and gas, a lot more of it would / could come from solar and wind. Gas is gas and they’re not making any more of it.

          • Martin Ebermann

            ever heard about wind or solar energy? ok maybe americans still didn’t hear about this yet

          • VL123

            Look here environmental wacko nutjob…your fantasy will never come true.

          • mlewis73

            Gotta charge that electric car with something. Usually this is a powerplant that puts out emissions that kill people.

          • Petko Petkov

            yeah, uh, a 2 billion dollar revenue company with 40000 cars sold in one year is hardly a fantasy. Get with the times, electrics are everywhere.

          • milehisnk

            You mean bankrupt company…Tesla is only showing a profit because of government grants. Take away the grants and where are you? Kissing Tesla goodbye. It’s a junk stock, junk company. Electrics are everywhere…yeah…Segways.

          • VL123

            40000 cars? LOL 2 billion co started by enviro nuts with government money. You get with the times, leftist. I love how leftists always act like they are ahead of the times b/c they wanna push an agenda.

          • milehisnk

            Speak for yourself. Electric cars will always be a niche market that feed only into the neurosis of people with more money than brains. Let me know when an electric vehicle can drive 1200 miles pulling a 7500lb trailer without missing a beat…

          • ender

            ok, go get on a train

          • TT

            Wait around 30-40 years until fossil fuels are either gone or so expensive only the super-rich can afford them and you can find out for yourself.

          • Rugbywarrior

            Hey can you pass the peace pipe over here when your done. I mean you’ve gotta be smoking some seriously good stuff to believe any of the crap you are writing.

          • Saint James Matamoros

            30-40 years? I love to laugh at the scientifically illiterate.

          • TT

            One word: China. Next please….

          • BigWu

            The world’s biggest dump truck is electric. “A massive vehicle that can haul loads weighing more than 500 metric tons” (that’s 1.1 million pounds!)

            Via Motors also makes PHEV trucks that can actually tow something useful to a worksite since the truck itself is a 150 kW generator (240v and 120v outputs) so the hitch isn’t bogarted by a gennie trailer.

            http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/environment/worlds-biggest-dump-truck-goes-electric

            http://viamotors.com

          • BigWu

            The Chairman of Via Motors, btw, is Bub Lutz of Dodge Viper fame. Oh, and he’s a stalwart Republican.

          • Will Seay

            Emissions that kill people? Put down your fuck pad, turn off the car and step out of the closed garage…. oh what’s that? An electric car? ..ok well I would not pee right ther…. hmm nevermind..

          • Saint James Matamoros

            I love loud cars, guns, fist fights and alcohol, let me guess, you sit down to pee, play video games and take estrogen treatments. Lol at you limp wrist omega types.

          • TT

            You see that right there? That’s why you don’t get laid.

          • Saint James Matamoros

            Laid? I get women who want MEN, Alpha males who are strong, masculine, educated and capable. If you’re a pedo who likes meek fembo pretty boys who can’t produce or perform be my guest. Is this why most women are so unhappy? Lol @ modern femi-Nazi bitter skanks, you get what you deserve ho.

          • TT

            I doubt you’ve ever had a woman you did have to pay for in your whole life. DO you still have to hold them down if you’re paying?

          • Iwer Mørck

            “I love loud cars, guns, fist fights and alcohol”

            I’m quite sure you’re wrong if you think that this will win you any points anywhere but with your drinking buddies.

          • TitaniumDart01

            FYI, your fancy electric vehicles have been the cause of more factoryfactory worker deaths than any gas powered vehicles. Battery and chemical explosions in factories are happening often , and have killedkilled or severely injured a bunch of workers lately. Also. All the factories involved in making electric cars and hybrids…guess what, and u might want to brace yorself, but they run off of gas to operate! Sure they have solar powered stuff Here and there but even all the electricity comes from either hydrohydro electric facilities or gas powered ones. Like any other factory

          • Jim Seko

            and a hoot to drive!!!

          • Eric

            I love the battery technology, but how about if you folks who want to buy one do so without government credits. Why should everybody pitch in tax money to pay for your fancy car?

          • SayWhat

            Most likely hydrogen/electric as batteries are still decades away from being used as primary power. Now if they standardize (like flashlight types) and install them in a quick swap configuration, then battery swap-out stations could make electric drive a viable go anywhere source of power. Pop in a new set and go. Charging stations in parking spaces while you work, shop, or play to top off the batteries.

          • Henri

            Don’t be an ass. I don’t mind either technology and like electric tech, but you are a twit with that attitude. It is not going to be more reliable and your human emissions are more dangerous than the car’s, idiot. I hope you are vegan.

          • Raansu

            *Walks outside and revs engine a few times to enjoy the sound of a V8 engine and to piss off the tree hugger a little bit*

            Also, $10 says you drive a combustion engine and have electricity in your house. Hypocrisy at its finest I’m sure.

          • Dont get me wrong… Real car guys STILL LIKE THE NOISE AND VIBRATION. Shoot me when I dont.

            At TAW, we give you everything an EV and an ICE can do and more.

          • Charles Cates

            Hey, give me either one or both! It was a race between amateurs much like what happens at stoplights all around the world. I love both cars! !

          • nynetguy

            And you’re just fucking stupid enough to think that your electricity is magically created by fairies and elves and not a coal burning plant.

            You’re also just fucking stupid enough to think that gas is the only material we derive from refining petro-chemcials.

          • Michael Bauers

            Right, because producing batteries, and charging them up is as green as Kermit the Frog 😉

          • Ron

            Not in our lifetime.

          • Nh80

            The Tesla doesn’t need gas. FACT

          • VSanity

            Well if you stupid hippies keep going against nuclear power your mighty Teslas most certainly do need gas.

          • Nh80

            American muscle cars suck anyway at anything apart from drag racing. Put the Hellcat up against a Tesla on the Nurburgring. The Tesla will win again.

          • VSanity

            Put a 90,000 viper against the Tesla and the Tesla will be crushed. Your argument is still stupid. Comparing 105,000 dollar apples to 60,000 dollar oranges

          • Jeremy Whaley

            Unless you need to turn then Tesla wins again. Drag Racing is one thing racing with real world curves and real world road conditions Tesla wins.

          • VSanity

            I actually highly doubt that. Do you have the skid pad results for the Tesla? I’d bet given the weight and skinny tires the Hellcat beats the Tesla in the corners as well…
            The regular model S with the same tires gets demolished by the hellcat challenger in the skid pad.

          • milehisnk

            Tesla Model S skidpad: 0.91g. My 1998 mustang on stock all season tires was 0.94g. The Hellcat is 0.93g by the way.

          • VSanity

            I saw a .86g for the Model S (wasn’t the p85d though) regardless the Hellcat beats it. Guess the Tesla is worthless on all fronts.

          • William Wayne

            While the Hellcat is not the best handling car out there, you might be surprised at how well it actually does handle.

          • milehisnk

            You’re stuck in the 1960s. The Tesla can’t turn…5000+lbs doesn’t like to change directions. The Hellcat, while still incredibly heavy, has over a 500lb weight advantage and bigger tires. Plus a better chassis and suspension.

          • milehisnk

            Actually, no. The Hellcat can turn with the best of them and would run circles around the Tesla. The Tesla is a 5k lb golf cart, it’s made to have a cushy ride for the smug environmentalist who thinks it’s saving them money.

          • Kevin Phan

            Nuclear powerplants produce less radiation and waste compared to gas.

          • milehisnk

            Like Fukushima, 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl?

          • VSanity

            I’m not arguing against that. I am (like I said in my posts) 100% in favor of nuclear power. However until all power plants are nuclear and/or hydro electric, you won’t catch me riding the bandwagon of plug in electric cars.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            well.. actually nuclear power plants product more radiation than the gas ones.. probably less harmful than coal..

          • LZKashmir

            Unicorn poop!

          • Aubrey

            Where does you electricity come from?

          • Kevin Phan

            every source of energy, solar, wind, nuclear, thermal, coal, gas.

            Where does power for gas cars come from? Only gas.

          • VSanity

            like my post showed, the majority of your electricity comes from fossil fuels, like our normal cars. Take into account we don’t rape the earth of toxic chemicals to support a massive demand for batteries and I think you can call it even.

          • milehisnk

            The Tesla can’t be driven everywhere. FACT.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            uh… the hellcat can’t driven everywhere either.. like in snow up a hill..

          • TryToThinkFirst

            Not exactly. The Tesla has 100% of it’s torque and HP available at all times, the Hellcat doesn’t.

            The BEST recorded time for a Hellcat is 10.8 seconds, driven by a professional driver on a perfect track under perfect conditions with Chrysler engineers on hand to ensure it would make the best run possible.

            The Tesla stepped to the line with Joe Blow behind the wheel, no gears to shift and just floored it, with less than perfect conditions.

            I would bet that the Tesla would win every time under normal circumstances.

            The Hellcat would win with a professional driver and ideal conditions.

          • VSanity

            I’ll take that bet. Give me an automatic Challenger Hellcat and I’ll race your Tesla a hundred times. I bet you at least 60% of the time I would beat your Tesla. Give me a Charger Hellcat (which is automatic) and I will beat your Tesla 100% of the time… If what you’re saying is true and that the driver doesn’t make a difference in the Tesla than this 11.7 time is the fastest it will ever do. We know the Challenger can do 11.2, we know the Charger can 11 flat. .7 seconds is a big gap to make up.

          • Kevin Phan

            The hellcat switching gears in automatic is way less efficient than a manual. Tesla has all hp and torque ready from the press of the gas pedal. So it would definitely beat an automatic. But I’m not sure about a manual.

          • VSanity

            You’re very wrong. The reason the automatic is faster is (and it is, again proven) is because the automatic shifts so quickly. Automatics have been quicker at shifting then manuals for a long time now. The bonus from a manual came from not having a torque converter to zap power from the engine.

          • milehisnk

            First off, you’re wrong. The automatic Hellcats have launch control and other things which help it run a faster 1/4 mile time.
            Secondly, the manual Challenger Hellcat is an 11.0 car in the 1/4 mile in decent hands. I fully expect to see owners going 10.60s with them once they get used to them…100% stock.
            The automatic challenger is 10.80s stock…Again, I expect to see 10.60s from them (or better) with practice.

            So both the manual and automatic hellcats would rape the Tesla by about 1 full second, and cost $50k less.

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist

            Yes, it wouldn’t be a contest because the Hellcat would still loose unless you fit it with launch control.

          • William Wayne

            The Hellcat has launch control already. The best times have been recorded without it.

          • VSanity

            it has launch control.

          • milehisnk

            Challenger stock with a manual is 10.80s in the 1/4. That’s nearly a full second faster than this Tesla ran. You lose.

          • Skiballas

            Typical loser reply, but give the car I like this and that and more of this then it would win.

          • VSanity

            No, its not a matter of that. The challenger would win stock. Its been proven, many times. I’m saying give the challenger or charger All wheel drive and they would demolish the tesla.

          • Skiballas

            Well it was not designed with all wheel drive. Your argument is stupid. It’s like saying give the Tesla 100 more horsepower and it will win.

          • VSanity

            That’s not what i’m saying at all. God you’re so stupid. I clearly state (as has been proven factual) the Charger and Challenger Hellcat are faster and do beat the tesla as they sit right now.

          • Skiballas

            Stupid? Let me quote you on what you said “I’m saying give the challenger or charger All wheel drive and they would demolish the tesla”. That was one quote. “Give The Hellcat AWD like the TESLA and it wouldn’t even be a contest.” Thats your other quote. So GFY.
            You are a little biaatch who can not accept that there is new technology that is fast becoming more superior and it is catching up on 100 years of combustible technology. You make a stupid comment like, and i paraphrase “it is also only the top of the line Model S, and the other models wouldnt even compete”, well guess what fuckknuckle, the Hellcat is not exactly the entry level car in the Challenger and Charger model lineup. Jeez you are a backward redneck.

          • JC

            Dont try to reason with the tree huggers.

          • VSanity

            They’ve already ruined my night. with their nonsensical arguments.

          • JC

            Lol, seriously? They have provided endless entertainment for me. I swear i cant wait to pull up to a tesla and roast the tires just to piss them off. Probably make them cry all those chemicals going into the atmosphere

          • VSanity

            I do love a good argument. I just had different plans for this evening 😀

          • milehisnk

            Seeing a Tesla on the street reminds me of the Jeff Dunham skit with Walter about the Prius…what sound do they make when they drive by?

            “Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii’m gaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!”

          • VSanity

            I see them all around up here. Such a boring car, always driven by extremely boring people.

          • Let’s not forget that the Charger is a sports car and the Tesla a family sedan!!!

          • Guest

            Woulda, coulda, shoulda

          • Windymac

            The Tesla has one gear and 100% instant torque. FACT. You don’t understand electric cars. FACT.
            You can gibber all you like. The driver is just an excuse for dinosaurs. The future is electric and it’s here.

          • ender

            Hellcat 0-60 3.9 seconds

            Tesla D 0-60 3.2 seconds

            the hellcat will never win

          • Jim, A TRUE patriot

            What is your point? If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass.

          • Jim Seko

            It’s not just the all-wheel-drive. Electric motors respond almost instantaneously to signals from the traction control electronics. It’s not physically possible to have that level of control over a gasoline engine.

          • Bung0

            The Tesla can get a full “tank” from the solar panels on my Sierras cabin.
            FACT

            The Tesla never needs an oil change.
            FACT

            More moving parts = less reliability.
            FACT

            ICE’s been getting all our attention for the past 100 years, yet in only a few short years, an independent tiny automaker has created, produced, sold, the safest car ever that also happens to have the highest customer satisfaction, and just happens to put dedicated muscle cars in the dog house.
            FACT

            This is fun, I can keep it up all day! 😀

          • Russell Smith

            Not necessarily, just because you give something AWD, and it has more HP, you do lose that HP running it thru the AWD And, you have a power band to consider with the gas engine where you do not with the electric motor. FACT. To use your words. Nothing is written in stone here.

          • Me

            At the same time, let Tesla tune and modify with a focus on a quarter mile…

            You’re right, it wouldn’t be a contest!

          • Jojobobo

            But the Hellcats don’t have AWD.
            FACT

            Make the Tesla free and it would cost $65K less than the Hellcat.
            FACT

          • Louie75

            The Tesla is the future.
            FACT

          • F R Burdett

            I agree with your first 3 “facts”…
            BUT, the smooth application of instant full torque does make a difference. Also, if the Tesla had larger/wider tires, the car could apply more torque to the ground.
            You are probably right that the Hellcat would still win — 16 more HP and still a bit of a weight advantage — but truth is it is the torque that has more to do with acceleration than who has the highest HP…It would probably be a closer, and more “fair” race against the Charger … as 4-dr sedan vs 4-dr sedan…
            And a Tesla owner could have a few modifications made that would make the torque go way up — with just some “re-mapping” — but would quickly start sacrificing range per re-charge…

          • Jon

            The Hellcat wouldn’t work as well with 4 wheel drive as the Tesla does with it’s 4 wheel drive. There are 2 motors in the Tesla. So no loss of power in the transfer.

          • SayWhat

            Give it wings and it can fly too. That day on that tack it shit it’s pants.

          • Aaron Green

            The Tesla weighs well over 5,000 pounds the hellcat weighs a little over 4,000, thats a huge difference, and considering the numbers the Tesla puts down that’s really impressive, even though it weighs more than an F150. Plus the Hellcat runs an 11.6 in the 1/4 mile….. 10.8 with slicks……..

          • Sick and tired

            Denial is not a river in Egypt.

          • FACT:
            Horse power has nothing to do with a 1/4 mile race. IT’S ALL TORQUE BABY… And a proper control of it. An electric motor can put out 100% torque in 35 milliseconds ( how long it takes to blink your eye). Our second generation Eleanor EV will produce 2000 Ft/lbs with an 8 speed tranny. 0-60 in 2 seconds. Stay tuned!

          • bobfairlane

            Good point? Why are expensive American muscle cars still only 2 wheel drive? If you’re going for the gusto, why not burn 4 tires?

          • Vernon Hampton Jr

            One would certainly hope, since Car & Driver in instrumented testing managed a 2.5 second 0-60 time for the Lamborghini Huracan which just happens to have 105 LESS horsepower than the Hellcat. Granted, both the Tesla and the Lamborghini have all wheel drive, but it’s also about gearing. You can have 1,000 horsepower but if it can’t a) get to the ground and b) have someone behind the wheel who knows what they’re doing then all that power doesn’t matter. It’s like ‘grendal’ said – the Hellcat needs an experienced drag racer and a burnout or two. The P85D only needs a 110 lb. soccer mom to consistently do what it does…

          • Domingo

            If racing was decided on paper why bother racing then? Everyone could just bring their spec sheets on track day, put them on a spreadsheet and declare the winner. Is that what you are trying to tell us with the capitalized FACTS?

          • milehisnk

            Actually, with a halfway decent driver, the Hellcat would rape the Tesla then have it for lunch. Hellcat is a 10 second car stock…not some overpriced golf cart.

          • War Games WOPR

            ICE? Don’t they deport people?

        • Andy Washere

          He red lighted, never was getting green after that.

        • Factual

          Only dodge car thats ever been interesting is the viper. And even that is still a dodge. Id take the tesla over 10 hellcats.

          • MP725

            Vipers are trash

          • Doug Takeuchi

            yeah, the viper is an interesting car.. I don’t know if I would buy one..

        • Even if he didn’t jump the gun, look at the difference. The whole point of the Tesla is that its electric, it doesn’t need to spin up like the Hellcat. Tesla could’ve stopped and started again and still probably won.

          • VSanity

            The driver of the hellcat didn’t attempt to make the run. It is a fact that on road tires the Hellcat is faster than the Tesla…

          • “That said, with a better driver the Challenger Hellcat is supposed to be faster to the tune of an 11.3 second quarter-mile. That 0.3 second difference isn’t much, and it also isn’t easy to attain as this video shows. But just about anyone can get behind the wheel of a P85D and click off 11-second runs all day.”

            From the article.
            Woo – 0.3 second difference. Good luck buddy. Again, I reiterate the point of the article which is directly quoted for you, anyone can jump behind the Tesla and outpace the Hellcat. For your 0.3 second difference, you better nail it perfectly in the Hellcat (unlikely)

        • PJones

          Yep. I was hoping someone would mention it. I don’t believe he ever got on it. Pretty much renders the heat & video meaningless.

          • grendal

            No. Because you can make that error in the Hellcat and you really can’t in the Tesla.

          • Um.. Grasp the reality both these cars are already bench-marked for performance using the best test drivers on the planet long before the consumer gets one. This race could have happened on paper…

          • milehisnk

            Benchmarked with the best test drivers on the planet? Damn, then Evan Smith and Ranger must be driving gods…and the Stig? Yeah, those same test drivers said my mustang in 1998 was a 14.30 car, yet the fastest I’ve seen STOCK was a 13.26. Some “best test drivers on the interwebz” or whatever you said…

          • Just hop right over reality and keep going….

          • PJones

            Grasp the “reality” of a race on paper? Gee, thanks for the invite, Lightnin, but I won’t be visiting your planet.

          • haha… You miss the point? We know through engineering, design and specification the electric car always wins this race. It would seem the saying “there is no replacement for displacement” no longer holds water. A true car guy would just marvel at the technology and then go buy the combustion engine so the lope of the cam made Saturday mornings beautiful. Can you imagine how boring the sound of “nothing” must be? On a side note: we have always used a cars build sheet to decide who it can / can’t beat. It saves time and pits “like” vehicles against each-other.

          • PJones

            Actually, you miss the point of yourself supplanting “reality” where you mean, “on paper.” Anyway, that video was nothing but a waste of time and bandwidth. But hey! What’s your “on paper” for internal combustion vs. electric L.A. to Frisco on one tank/charge… in August, A/C and stereo blasting… at night… and THEN a drag race up Telegraph Hill?

          • I tried being nice, but you’re just stupid to the bone. How typical your answers. Its like arguing with a woman sans the vagina. Go away little man… you and that ego that keeps you stupid.

          • PJones

            Well, since you claim that “Its like arguing with a woman sans the vagina,” I can only defer to your experience. But maybe your apparent allergic reaction to facts and reason is due to something you contracted from one of them.

        • Skiballas

          Are you blind? Hellcat couldn’t put the power down. Power is nothing without control.

          • OneHairyfoot

            Indeed… the Cat was sitting on the green spinning. He would have driven me Crazy to hell watching this asswhole at the Light in the real world… Hee Hee.

        • EXNova

          I’m gonna be honest here. Regardless of the industry standards on oil, where renewable energycomes from, and how effective nuclear power is or can be, VSanity has made all of his points completely accurately.

          In an even set-up, it does appear that the Hellcat has a clear advantage in this scenario. On paper, the Hellcat should outperform the Tesla consistently. The reason it lost here was because of the driver.

          Does that mean I want to own a car that’s about as fuel-heavy as a small Cessna? Absolutely not. Does it mean that it’s a better car over-all? Well, that’s more situational, but I personally would say “no”. However, he has made his argument clearly and concisely, and nitpicking it doesn’t really change the fact that the Hellcat should be more than capable of outperforming the Tesla in a quarter-mile run.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            here’s the thing.. Tesla didn’t design the car to be a quarter mile car.. It just happens to do so.. The Hellcat is a cool car.. but, it’s specifically designed to do the quarter mile.. just like the Corvette is a phenomenal track car..

        • Jim Seko

          He was probably high on crack

      • MP725

        Completely disagree… this guy wasn’t even a “normal” driver.. I almost wondered if he threw the race on purpose. There is no “procedure” other than NOT stepping on the brake after jumping the light multiple times. Just clearly someone that has never run a 1/4 before.

        • grendal

          You can flood the engine, stall it, not have enough revs when you pop the clutch, have bad gas, not have your launch control set right, and not activate your launch control correctly. The list goes on and on as to what the driver could have done wrong to cause what we saw with the Hellcat. The Tesla has none of that. You step on the pedal and the car goes – period. About the only thing you can do wrong is not have a proper charge. Which is about the same as pulling up to the line with an empty gas tank.

          • MP725

            Can’t flood a fuel injected engine and all the rest you said is the result of a bad driver (as I said) except for “bad gas” which is a bit archaic and off topic completely. Now take the fact that the AUTOMATIC 8spd hellcat which doesn’t require any of these nonsense “procedures” you have manufactured is actually FASTER than the manual and make an argument for the fact that it is anything other than a completely overwhelmed driver that has no business being on the track.

          • Pierre Harfouche

            Whatever man, the article wasn’t here to say the tesla is faster than the hellcat. The article even clarified the hellcat is better. BUT, this article exists to show the potential of these electric cars.

          • MP725

            I actually think the Tesla IS a better car but this comparison is complete nonsense because of the drivers. Put two people head to head that are equal in skill and then compare the cars.

          • grendal

            Okay. I’m just agreeing with the article that electric is the future.
            I’ve driven a Tesla and it is an amazing car that deserves all the accolades it has received. For me, the most amazing thing isn’t the 0-60 even though that is very cool. For me the most amazing thing is punching it at 50 MPH. It is point and shoot. There is no hesitation or downshifting for more power. A Tesla goes right where you direct it the moment you tell it to go. There is nothing else like it.

          • MP725

            Tesla is def a nicer car, I agree. The NSX will have three electric motors when it arrives and will eat up most of the competition.

      • rollins3490

        that is not the point…. hellcat driver sucks

      • Infinitrium

        That would be one hell(cat) of an interesting race if an 80 year old was driving the Tesla

      • 68niou1

        BS.

      • Gregory Johnson

        You keep comparing apples to oranges … these two cars are only the same in the fact they get you from point a to point b, period! The comparison ends there!

        • grendal

          There is a whole lot more to it that that. Sorry. Even you are for one side and against the other side so even you don’t believe what you just wrote.

      • nynetguy

        So basically you’re okay with “wallet warriors”?

        Any person who drives an “enthusiast” level car and does not know it intimately is a poser as far as I’m concerned.

        • grendal

          No. I was, incorrectly, pointing out the strengths of an EV compared to an ICE. They exist but this race was not a good example of it since the Hellcat red lighted and wasn’t racing. My mistake and I admit it.

    • 50shades

      Proper Match Up?!? hahaha Oh BTW, while it is the quickest production car ever made, its all electric, can carry 7 people, has more cargo room then a SVU, gives you more control over your driving experience then any car ever made, it’s a luxury car, It requires minimal service, drive train and battery warranted for 8 years and unlimited miles, is constantly improved upon and updated wirelessly, has 0 emissions, it remembers how you drive and can adjust the suspension automatically, preconditions the interior based upon your driving habits, constant wireless connection for free, full internet….should I continue?! Amazes me that people forget about everything that goes along with the insane power of this car. What’s the range per tank in a Hell Cat?!Yeah, let’s talk about a proper match up!

      • VSanity

        What’s the price difference? Is it… 45 THOUSAND dollars? Oh it is. Oh yea, lets talk about a proper MATCH up

        • adlercorp

          VSanity. Let’s cover WHY it’s so much more expensive: your precious oil companies have not funneled any research into electric power like Tesla, your precious car companies like Dodge have not funneled any research into electric power like Tesla. So, any pioneer in a new, safe, clean, ground-breaking field will incur higher costs than the other basic car companies that already have a very high consumer base.

          Now let’s talk about HOW Tesla plans on changing that. Elon Musk has already announced that they will release a $35,000 Model III in 2-4 years, that can drive at 200 miles.

          Now we can talk about why the mileage on Tesla batteries don’t matter. Batteries are replaceable, and that means that Tesla can make various upgrades for any model they release, which only requires a switch in hardware. So, any argument about poor mileage is invalid

          We can talk about how fantastically environmentally friendly Tesla is too: They recycle every battery that they replace, which means minimal waste is seen through the use of these electric giants. Add the 0 emissions into it, and you have a beautiful advancement in technology that the ignorant twats like you don’t want to accept because it’s so far out of your narrow-minded, near-sighted vision.

          • VSanity

            Dodge is owned by fiat, which owns ferrari. Ferrari currently has a hybrid supercar called the LaFerrari. Me thinks they put a far amount of research into designing such a super car.

          • adlercorp

            It’s cute that you only were able to pick out one flaw in the argument that invalidates your entire misconception of Tesla’s operation.

            Ferrari currently has a hybrid super-car valued at what ($1,200,000)? Because that just goes to show how LITTLE research is done across the board. Prices go up when costs go up.

            Plenty of auto companies have hybrids, none have fully electric cars that can operate like a Tesla.

          • VSanity

            That’s because only tesla thought it was necessary to make an overpriced full electric car… There only needs to be one brand for the affluent liberals to buy, flooding the market is just bad business.

          • Bung0

            “affluent liberals”. Care to cite your source for that? Or are you just a mentally ill kook who finds such gravitas in silly labels?

          • milehisnk

            Actually, the reason it’s so expensive is because without government grants, Tesla would be bankrupt.

          • Doug Takeuchi

            uh.. yeah.. Chrysler took the 10 Billion dollar bailout.. and yeah.. they would have been bankrupt way before Tesla..

          • Bung0

            Really? Care to cite your source? Because I’m just going to skip ahead and call you a bald-faced liar. Why do you lie?

          • milehisnk

            “Batteries are replaceable” how does that make poor mileage/range invalid? I still can’t drive across the country wherever I want in a Tesla.

          • Bung0

            Actually you can, and for free. Supercharger network from coast to coast. How did you miss that and type something so foolish?

        • milehisnk

          Actually, over $50k. The Tesla P85D with no options is over $120k.

      • VSanity

        What’s the price difference? Is it… 45 THOUSAND dollars? Oh it is. Oh yea, lets talk about a proper MATCH up

      • Mister_YT

        Only a communist socialist queer would be seen in one of those.

      • William Wayne

        The range of the Hellcats is 407 miles per tank (not including the volume of the filler neck).

      • milehisnk

        Range per tank in a Hellcat is better than the Tesla. Let me know where in Kansas you can refuel a Tesla in 5 minutes….

        • grendal

          Why would you need to. You could stop at a Supercharger in Kansas and fill your Tesla Model S up for free.
          Can you fill your Hellcat for free? When you buy the fuel for your Hellcat, who are you giving your money to?

        • 50shades

          Your garage? Bottom line, The Model S was not designed to compete with the Hellcat. The mere fact that it can come within a few tenths of a second being an all electric car is amazing. Both are great cars in their own right

    • 68niou1

      Exactly.

    • DiFiasco

      Agreed – the Hellcat driver blew his queue and the start. There’s nothing to see here…yet

    • BK Alley

      Says the other fuckwit. It’s because of morons like you that electric is so slow to develop. Wake up and join the 21st century. You also missed the point that the Dodge is a highly modified single purpose waste of money, while the Tesla is factory stock. Electric is superior in every way.

  • Ratimus

    Funny! That does not look like Hellcat markings. The badge on the side of a Hellcat just behind the front wheel well reads “supercharged” . That looks like a scat pack emblem. A poorly launched one too.

    • William Wayne

      Not on the production models; it’s now an angry feline head in profile.

  • Gustavo Jeremias da Silva

    Revenge

  • Pixyst

    How did anyone expect a dinosaur to compete with the state of the art – not possible.

  • But will the muscle heads finally concede that electric cars are neither “slow” nor “lame”?

    • I’ll answer my own question: Based on the muscle-head responses below, the answer is “no”. But they’ll be left in the dust, just as the Dodge was. See ya!

      • Raphael Mastro

        That wasnt a race lol But i love Teslas!! And I’m a MOPAR Guy. One day i will be able to afford a Tesla, they are sick. Ill have my Hemi in one Garage and my Telsa in the other 🙂

        • grendal

          I like that attitude. +1 from me. Good luck.

  • schererd

    Don’t line up to drag race and not be prepared. The Hellcat lost. He should have had slicks. He was also aware of the P85D’s launch ability so I think he jumped the light because he knew he had to have a quick reaction time to beat that 0 to 60 time. If a Hellcat is not running slicks on the street at all times, you will have the same results. It’s raw power without traction. I love the Hellcat but mine would be running DOT street legal slicks. I’ll stick with my P85. I have 56,000 miles of gas free bliss in it to date.

    • MP725

      Slicks will never beat AWD… he would have lost off the line to MUCH slower cars.

      • William Wayne

        Drag radials and a prepped surface seem to work petty well:

  • Frank

    Lame click-bait video. Let us know when there’s an actual legit race.

    • 50shades

      Oh BTW, while it is the quickest production car ever made, its all electric, can carry 7 people, has more cargo room then a SVU, gives you more control over your driving experience then any car ever made, it’s a luxury car, It requires minimal service, drive train and battery warranted for 8 years and unlimited miles, is constantly improved upon and updated wirelessly, has 0 emissions, it remembers how you drive and can adjust the suspension automatically, preconditions the interior based upon your driving habits, constant wireless connection for free, full internet….should I continue?! Amazes me that people forget about everything that goes along with the insane power of this car. What’s the range per tank in a Hell Cat?!Yeah, let’s talk about a proper match up!

      • VSanity

        You do know its not even close to being “the quickest production car ever made”, right? First of all, the Challenger and Charger Hellcats are quicker AND faster than it, not to mention many other production cars.

        • 50shades

          You are correct, It should read quickest electric car…Bottom line, The Model S was not designed to compete with the Hellcat. The mere fact that it can come within a few tenths of a second being an all electric car is amazing. Both are great cars in their own right but to compare as over all cars makes no sense, it’s not a comparison at all.

  • Brian Joseph

    The Tesla costs about 105k…or about 40k more than the Hellcat….plus a
    decent driver could match the ET and be more than 15 mph terminal speed
    over the Tesla

  • wayne

    I f the tires of the hellcat hooked up he would have kicked mr GE’S ass.That isn’t even a comparison sorry, electric isn’t the way of the future.

  • spicedham

    17 sec quarter time for the Hellcat. Definitely a bad driver. A kid in a Civic Si could have beaten him.

  • VSanity

    This is the one of the dumbest articles ever. The Hellcat IS faster with a competent driver. and the Hellcat IS 45 grand cheaper than the Tesla.

    You act like the Hellcat is some featherweight supercar competing against a bloated beast. In reality the weight difference is about 300 pounds.
    You act like the Tesla has some rubber band motor when in reality it has a 691hp motor and instant power.
    In fact it is EMBARRASSING that a 100,000 dollar car with All Wheel Drive and nearly 700 horsepower pulled off such a slow quarter mile. Give the Hellcat All wheel drive and it would be a laughable victory.

    Put the Hellcat Charger up against the Tesla if you want, 4 door family car vs 4 door family car and the Charger will smoke it.

    Such a stupid nonsense article.

    • Ameno-Sagiri

      The Hellcat is gas powered. The Tesla is electric. Your entire post is now meaningless. The Tesla has a lot more to offer than a Hellcat to warrant that price tag.

      • VSanity

        How so? I touched on it being electric by mentioning it had instant power. My point is that it’s sad that a car as expensive as the tesla with all wheel drive, instant power, and nearly the same HP is slower than a rear-wheel drive gas power car. It’s really embarrassing that it’s so much slower. They should probably stop drag racing it if they don’t want to draw the comparison.

  • TheVoiceHere

    Watch the video closely and you’ll see an old man pedaling his bike faster than both. Terrible article.

  • CH

    I see a lot of wannabe gearheads ranting like they have a clue.

    STFU and go drive to walmart in your explorer like everybody else.

  • A_RAB_MONEY

    the hellcat was spinning its wheels halfway down the track…smh

  • Limbchicken

    Go look up some of the spec’s on the Dodge. 1/4 in 10.8 vs Tesla 11.6. That is about 8 car lengths or more. The Tesla is quicker to 60 by 3.1 vs 3.5 but in a quarter mile, I would be sure to have the doors welded shut on the Tesla cause the Dodge would blow them right off.

  • Gregory Johnson

    The race was fixed, we all see that. We all see also that the Tesla is BUTT UGLY! The people that buy a ‘Cat will do it for “The Look” of vintage muscle. If you can afford one, you can also afford the gas to make it rumble, and that rumble my friends, you will never get with an electric car. That rumble excites the hormones, the testosterone even. My God man, you can feel the power in your soul! You tree huggers that want to go fast in your sewing machines, fine …. but I’ve never seen an electric car beat a funny car or a rail. There is fast, and then, there is FAST.

    • grendal

      Yes. And back in the day you would have someone who said those cars are noisy contraptions and you would never get the smell of a good horse out of them.
      That same person might also wax nostalgic about horse farts.
      Old technology. Fun to have around but this race shows the weakness of it.

      • Gregory Johnson

        Talk to me about racing my 1969 Pontiac Firebird with steady 11’s in the 1/4 with your Tesla…. if you can ever afford one! HA!

        • grendal

          You are sadly missing the point. Something can always beat your Firebird. There are already a number of electrics that are putting out very low numbers on the dragstrip. If you prefer the sound and fury of your Firebird, more power to you. Just be aware that it is your opinion and choice.

          • Gregory Johnson

            No, it’s YOU that is missing the point. NO ONE that can afford that Tesla can or will be out racing it! It wasn’t built for racing! What kind of durability does it have? Not for commuting back and forth to the 9-5 world, picking up the kids from school, getting the groceries and maybe, just maybe your world will allow a night of bowling or a movie. BORING!! My Firebird was built FOR RACING! Not the things your tree hugger daily life is full of. I have a different vehicle for those monotonous things. There are so FEW of your sewing machines on 4 tires out there to even worry ONE minute for. Electric might be the future YOU foresee, but vintage muscle will always be there for just the pure fun of it. The cars are UGLY, EXPENSIVE, and only the rich can afford them. Also, what range do they have? What do you do if it runs out of electricity and there aren’t any public outlets around to get more? How long of an extension cord will you need to haul around with you? NO THANKS! I’ll keep driving my magnificent fossil fuel guzzlers, thank you!

          • grendal

            And you miss the point, yet again. An electric car future will allow you to continue to have your gas guzzling fun and help to keep the gasoline prices affordable since there will be more for you to use. Do you get it now? Cars removed horses from doing all the work. Now you can own and ride a horse for the pleasure of it, not because it is your livelihood.

          • Gregory Johnson

            Obviously we both have points. I really don’t care about yours because I don’t see an electric car in every garage this century. In fact, the way this planet is headed, I don’t see “it”, this planet, surviving much longer itself. That being said, I can enjoy my point now, yours belongs in a book of fantasy … it will never happen.

          • grendal

            That is sad. It also explains why you’ve given up and are willing to act selfish and self centered. I recommend doing something about that. Maybe go out and work in a homeless shelter. That will hopefully get you connected back in to humanity and doing something positive in the world instead of focusing on your personal pleasures. You live the life of a King and you are the one that throws his leftovers on the ground for the servants to pick up. Terribly sad and wasteful.

          • Gregory Johnson
          • grendal

            Beautiful car. See the difference. I can appreciate an old Corvette while understanding that to have such a beautiful car you need to create a better world around it so that its beauty can be appreciated. Hopefully you can as well. Giving up and saying it’s all going to hell anyway is the cowards way. Do you fight to win or do you sit back and let others do it for you?
            Good luck, Gregory. Keep having fun. Just please don’t do it at the expense of everyone around you.
            Thanks for the discussion.

  • Craig Smith

    Nice false lead on the story ladies.

  • MP725

    Man when I clicked on this link, I thought it would be to something NOT totally worthless and spun. Most modern 4cyl cars can do a 17 second quarter mile with a competent driver… if this guy can’t do better with 3+ times the horsepower, you can’t really compare it for arguments sake.

  • Jason Bolton

    Dodge probably also lost its transmission. Only manufacturer I ever worked for that kept transmissions in stock. I wouldn’t drive a Chrysler product if they paid me to.

    • William Wayne

      Nah – this one’s a ZF transmission.

  • Mike Halls

    The hellcat couldn’t hook ’em up.

  • Mike Halls

    The hellcat couldn’t hook ’em up.

  • Mister_YT

    Electric cars are for ni99erJew communist socialist atheist Muslim homosexuals. You can proudly drive a Dodge to your local KKK rally.

    • DiscoHarvey

      LOL Troll is trolling.

  • Dan Chamney

    Do you always base everything on one bad run?

  • Drew Nesland

    All day? So with the charging needed,you would get what,maybe 3 runs? lol
    Plus,all wheel drive regardless of traction control being on or off will do better than just rear wheel.

    Thanks but I’ll stick with the Hellcat.

    • Drew Nesland

      Oh and I LOVE the color of the Hellcat too!

    • grendal

      Try 40 to 50 runs and you might be more accurate.

  • mlewis73

    The best car? The one you can easily afford and that is reliable and inexpensive to insure.

    • freedom_is_good

      How about one you can drive to the track, race all day, and drive home without waiting six hours for it to recharge?

      • mlewis73

        Ha! Very true…

      • grendal

        How about the car you never have to stop in a gas station ever again and NOT giving your money to some unseen oil corporation.
        The convenience of waking every morning to a full “tank” of electricity is pretty convenient too.

        • freedom_is_good

          Tell you what. Let’s race across the country. You drive a Tesla and I’ll drive the “old fashioned” Challenger. Let’s make the stakes significant. No, you can’t have a six week head start.

          • Bung0

            Why would someone want to do that? What would it prove? What is the utility in it? Who (other than a 13 year old) would even come up with such a loopy scenario?

          • freedom_is_good

            Maybe the same folks who came up with hiring a retard to race a two wheel drive Challenger against their four wheel drive Tesla. I’ll make it a little more reasonable. Let’s race from LA to San Fransisco (a fairly common trip). I’ll drive any gasoline or diesel car you care to pick (as long as it’s functioning) and you can drive a Tesla, but I get to pick the route. The point is that just because a Tesla outruns a deficient driver in a gasoline car, doesn’t really mean the Tesla doesn’t have serious fundamental problems in the real world.

          • Bung0

            Again with a completely off-kilter response. Based on your words, apparently you feel that you are a “retard” since it was you who came up with it. Why the hyperbole and self loathing? What “fundamental problems” are you referring to? I’d love to see them, seeing as how the Model S customer approval rating is 98%. Yes, definitely fascinated to learn of them.

          • freedom_is_good

            Fundamental problem? Needs 22 hours of recharging if driven more than a couple hundred miles. Wait, that’s not a problem, because nobody ever drives a car more than 200 miles. /sarc You could always spring for the $2000 option to get the fast charging wire harness (Since the rest of us are paying you $7500 to buy a $115,000 car, you should be able to afford it). That’s useful unless you’re traveling to a place that doesn’t have a bunch of people plunking down $175,000 on charging stations to give away “free” electricity. Then you’re stuck for a day while your car recharges. God help you if you leave your Tesla without power (like if you drive to the airport and park it for a few days), it turns into a really spiffy looking brick that can’t be towed or charged. Tesla has to come haul it away (and that’s not cheap). Then they have to fix it (and that’s not cheap, either). Also, be very careful not to crash it and hope that nobody crashes into you. The resulting electrical discharge will fry you (and the fire department will refuse to rescue you from it while it burns because they don’t want to get fried, either). Also, never drive over any debris in the road, or it will burn up. Also, it may burn your house down if you park it in the garage. Fundamental problems, nah.

            I was specifically referring to the retard Tesla hired to tank the race. He obviously has never driven a car, ever. He jumped the light, stopped, started again, and obviously has no idea how to shift a transmission. If they were going to use somebody like that, they could have at least given him the Hellcat with the automatic transmission. I realize that’s a $1700 option, but hey, the Tesla costs almost twice as much as the Hellcat, so a little extra spending in the options shouldn’t be that big of a deal (It’s less than a quarter of the subsidy on the sticker price of a Tesla). If you want to “prove” something by racing cars, I’ll win every time if I get twice the budget and I’m racing somebody who doesn’t understand the most basic things about cars, like shifting gears.

            The customer approval rating of the Bugatti Veyron is probably 100%. Does that mean it’s practical? It has trouble going over speed bumps or getting in and out of driveways. I’d call that a fundamental problem, as well, since cars often encounter speed bumps and driveways.

          • Bung0

            Oh my! I know it sounds like ad hominem, but I really do think you have either forgotten to take your medications, or are in dire need of professional mental help.

            Your claimed charging time. It’s an electric car. So when you buy one, you understand how to use it. Kind of like buying a muscle car and complaining it can’t rock crawl or seat 7 people and the dog. But holding up an extreme outlier scenario as your crowing point only serves to prove how terrified you are of, what, cohort replacement? The future? Emasculation? What?

            Maybe read up on the difference between a “tax credit” and either a “tax refund” or some other type of direct payment. Clearly you have no idea what it is, and that’s just shamefully dumb of you. And if you decide to go off on a subsidy rant, first Google about the massive subsidies afforded to the petro/chem industry which results in pump fuel being hugely discounted from it’s TMV. And then, to actually be honorable and honest, factor in the military costs, both in money and lives. And finally, to be honorable and honest, factor in the cost in pollution: health, destruction of vital resources like water and fisheries, and yes, even climate change.

            Leave it without power? What are you even talking about? If I’m interpreting your vitriolic spew correctly, you’re using a scenario where the car is driven until it runs out of juice, then left there (for some unspecified time)? Well, then the hidden reserve kicks in. You know, kind of like the gas light on your dash? Or are you saying that is used up too, then it is left in a field somewhere, then Tesla will charge you money? If so, even that is wrong, or a blatant lie on your part. But that’s common knowledge and easily looked up. How could you say something so foolish and so easily verified unless it was a blatant lie?

            Your crash and fire claims are bald faced lies of the first order. Really, are you so terrified of this car that you find the fight/flight need to lie like this? My sympathies if so.

            Do you know the provenance of this video? Go look it up, but certainly nothing to do with Tesla. I know, your internal narrative is strong, but reality is always stronger and also doesn’t care what tale you spin. And no, there is no conspiracy, no chemtrails, we actually landed on the moon, and no alien bodies.

            prac·ti·cal
            adjective ˈprak-ti-kəl
            : relating to what is real rather than to what is possible or imagined
            : likely to succeed and reasonable to do or use
            : appropriate or suited for actual use

            I guess that 98% of Tesla owners understand that definition. And those who buy a 1990 Land Cruiser do too. And even those who buy a Hellcat. But you? Not so much it seems.

            Cheers!

          • grendal

            It’s already been done. The Tesla went across the US in 76 1/2 hours.

            http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/cross-country-rally-across-finish-line

            The difference is that it cost $0.00 in energy and fuel.
            My point is that there are advantages and disadvantages to each car and to cherry pick the advantages you like is ridiculous. Buy whichever car you want since this is America, just don’t say one is better than the other unless you put in that it is your preference.

            I’d also like to point out that while this is America you are not allowed to buy the Tesla in certain states. They’ve made BS laws to stop you.

          • freedom_is_good

            That’s only 50 hours more than the quickest gas-powered trip across the country. I guess if you wanted to wait that extra time, you could take the train or the pony express or just wait until the next Western Union Stage comes through town. That’s $0 cost and 0 energy, as well. Horses do, however, emit some of those scary greenhouse gasses.

            Pretending that the energy put into the car didn’t have a cost and didn’t come from somewhere is just a little disingenuous. I could drive a Valero truck from coast to coast, refilling only at “free” Valero stations and claim the cost of energy was $0, too. It wouldn’t make it so, just because the company was absorbing the costs on my behalf.

            BYW, how much does one of those fancy Tesla Supercharging stations cost? $100,000 – $170,000? It’s a $2000+ option on the car, just to make it capable of charging at these stations, right? That sure is cheap. I’ve driven across the country and didn’t spend $2k on gas.

            All of that isn’t my point, however. I was making the point that jumping up and down about a drag race between the cars doesn’t prove much of anything and that the Tesla could be easily defeated by a gasoline car traveling on a trip longer than a few hours; the kinds of trips that lots of people take regularly. The driver of the Dodge was clearly an idiot and I’m sure that given a $40,000 advantage to purchase a competing car, I could mop the floor with whatever car you want to challenge me with, be it electric or not, especially if you drive it like the Dodge driver.

          • grendal

            You aren’t going to get across the US in 26 hours legally. I have no problem saying that it would be less time in a gas car. You however said that it would need a six week head start and I corrected you.

            http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

            I never pretended anything. There is the Supercharger network and it costs $0.00 to get as many charges as you want from them for the life of your car. It exists to highlight an advantage of an electric car. Powering those stations with a sustainable power source means that you can travel using sustainable energy instead of burning fuel and all the damage that comes from that. It’s not perfect or perfectly clean but it is a step in the right direction.
            No none has said that you have to buy the car. If it doesn’t fit your needs or price range then buy something else. It has advantages and disadvantages over a regular car. Within its driving range it is more convenient than a gas car. If you are going to be driving long distances regularly then it is less convenient. For now it is the more expensive choice over a gas car too. That will hopefully change in the future.

          • Bung0

            Grendel did a nice job of eviscerating your nonsense and helping you to be the fool you can be. Laughing a bit right now. Carry on.

          • freedom_is_good

            Jeezus, you’re still on about this rubbish. I quit trying to set you downs syndrome children straight waaaaay back. Grendel didn’t do anything other than jerk his own crank with all that nonsense about the US military being an oil and gas subsidy and the rest of his ignorant, farcical, tirade against the very industry that makes it possible for him to have his hissy fit. I’ve given up arguing with you fools, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon and you two are clearly pigeons who have knocked over all the pieces, shat upon the board, and have commenced to strutting.

          • Bung0

            Yep, you’ve given up indeed. But you definitely went out on a high crazy note with this last comment, so maybe don’t mess with success and just fade away graceful? Just a suggestion, of course.

          • Bung0

            #giggles Just saw this. I love the irony of you typing things like “you downs syndrome children” on the heels of “Let’s race across the country”. I know, it is lost on you. But that’s really not my concern, and it does give me and my workmates a good giggle. Toodles!

          • freedom_is_good

            Trying to demonstrate a point to you children is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how
            good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the
            pieces, crap on the board, and strut around the table looking
            victorious.

          • Bung0

            #nonsequitur #gigglesagain!

  • Flooby

    Both cars are bad-ass and American. Why is everyone have to choose a side?

    • grendal

      Some people are afraid of change.

  • Patrick Nugent

    The gas car is close to the end . burning fuel is not what it used to be

    • VL123

      You’re an idiot.

  • LIOTB

    If you watch the tree, the hellcat gets a red light after he had jumped the gun ending in a false start losing the race at the startling line. He then proceeds to have been quite frustrated by his long burnout after the start of the race. He wasn’t even trying after he received the red light. It would be cool to see in a real race though.

  • sasquatcho

    Who was driving the Dodge… my Granma?

  • Patrick Nugent

    Be honest with yourself. Electric motors achieve maximum torque at 1 rpm. If you can’t understand what that means in regard to acceleration . You are a fucking idiot.

  • Electric is not feasible and probably never will be.

    • grendal

      I suppose you closed your eyes during the video.

  • Arhcangel

    Click Bait POS video. Both cars are awesome in their own way and appeal to completely different audiences. The Tesla S is the iPod of cars. It requires no knowledge or passion for automobiles to operate. Despite its astronomical sticker price the type of person who owns one will likely dispose of it shortly after the new model comes out. The Hellcat is the epitome of the muscle car and will be fawned over years after it has been discontinued. I suspect the video was presented precisely to start a flame war and it has succeeded. This is the first, and likely last, time I will ever visit this site.

  • The Tesla is a marvel of modern engineering. My toaster has more
    technology in it than the Dodge. There are many videos of people TRYING
    to launch the Hellcat on youtube. 700 horsepower with 2 wheel drive
    and a suspension from the 70s is a recipe for suck unless the car is mid-engine.

    • William Wayne

      The Hellcat engine is itself a marvelous piece of engineering. Why can’t people appreciate both vehicles?

      • Bung0

        It is, but all ICE tech is now kinda steam-punk and Rube Goldberg, trying to eek out a tiny incremental increase in efficiency or power. Marvels of complication. IMHO, of course.

        • William Wayne

          Consider that the 6.2L Supercharged Hellcat engine moves a heavier Challenger vehicle with less fuel than the original SRT Challenger with a N/A 6.1L V8. A large part of this has to do with gearing, but to not suffer a fuel economy penalty moving from a 425hp engine to a larger 707hp engine? You can’t deny that’s quite noteworthy.

          • Bung0

            I don’t, but it’s still incremental. 100+ years of ICE development has simply reached it’s reasonable limit and has basically jumped the shark.

  • Harrell Caines Jr

    the better car is the one that lets you refuel in 4 minutes flat.

    • Skiballas

      Shortsighted, but Okey.

      • Harrell Caines Jr

        I have much respect for electric. do you have any idea how many years locomotives have been electric? nothing beats the torque of an electric motor. NOTHING. it’s immediate. there is no torque curve. it’s immediate. it’s just not the replacement for the family grocery getter.

        • William Wayne

          Well… technically, the torque of an electric motor eventually falls off, but that’s only natural.

        • Bung0

          Not the replacement for… Huh? For that application I’d highly recommend a Leaf. Clearly no need for huge power, and 80-100 miles range is probably several days between charges.

  • technowhiz

    In 1970 I could rebuild 4bbl. Holley carbs blindfolded. Gas was 35 cents/gal.

    I drove a V8 304 Gremlin in 1973. I had my ass kicked by 302 Mustangs in the 1/4 mile. But it was serious fun passing a 440 Charger at 135 when the Dodge couldn’t nudge past 120. The fastest car I drove was a Porsche that went past 150.

    I just finished a bowl of granola and my joystick driven wheelchair is parked in the closet. Thank God I walk again.

    Gentlemen, I SWEAR I could smell the rubber when I watched that video with my wireless headset cranked!

    I’m waiting for Google to launch their new version of Google Glass that will compensate for my partial blindness. And for my electronic stimulators to power my left side again…they’re charging right now.

    WELCOME to the 21st Century!

    AND Thank You for all your humour!

    PS. Can’t wait to drive the Tesla!

  • gulliverX

    Wow, lotta people here who know nothing about drag racing. Look at the Xmas tree–the Hellcat red-lighted–then he stopped because it’s an automatic DQ for leaving early–and then he started again 1-2 seconds after the Tesla had gone.

    Tesla’s a pretty amazing car but for this video to go viral shows how little their crowd knows about automobiles. Have to second what others have said that the Hellcat is substantially cheaper than a Tesla, has better range and is better looking to boot. Tesla’s getting there–but they’re not there yet. Neither are their fans.

    • JC

      These clowns wouldnt come within 50 miles of a dragstrip. All that fuel and tire smoke goes against everything they stand for.

  • a prius or a 50 cc motor scooter could have beat the hellcat with whoever was behind the wheel

  • Ryan Grobe

    Granted this is a nice video of what the Tesla can do it does nothing for the Hellcat, the driver was an idiot, most likely a rich kid loose with daddy’s money. Get two professional drivers, one with the Hellcat and the other with the Tesla and see who comes out on top.

    • RobSolf

      still, I bet, the Tesla. But at least it wouldn’t be so silly looking.

      • Ryan Grobe

        I bet the Hell Cat, the Tesla is nice but the Hell Cat has more raw HP and give it the right driver it will beat that Tesla. The only advantage the Tesla has is AWD.

        • RobSolf

          And you can make that argument all day long as you search for “the right driver”. As a red blooded muscle car owning SoB, myself, I know how this race ultimately ends.

        • RobSolf

          If you have to look at “superior” specs on a page to defend a loss, then you have lost twice.

          • Ryan Grobe

            I’m just saying the driver did not know his vehicle, he jumped the gun and then got hesitant. As soon as he saw he was losing he burned rubber halfway down the track, costing him traction and making the gap even larger.

          • RobSolf

            I agree completely.

          • RobSolf

            But still, odds are, the Challenger would have lost.

            I’m a muscle car enthusiast, I LOVE my Mustang GT, but I have to admit that this is the first of many “John Henry” moments in Internal Combustion Engine history.

        • RobSolf

          “The only advantage the Tesla has is AWD.”

          Then you already admit you don’t understand electric motors. At all.

          • William Wayne

            The Hellcat (and this is the first time I’ve ever been able to say this) has the power to weight ratio advantage. The 8-speed auto keeps the engine running in its peak power band longer than the older 5-speed auto transmission. The Hellcat engine produces 411 Lt*lbs of torque at just 1200 rpm, so it’s not at such a severe disadvantage when launching as it would seem, and makes up for that when the Tesla’s torque begins to fall off about halfway through the race. Interestingly, the Hellcat engine’s torque production does not level off, even at its 6200 redline.
            At this point, in a 1/4 mile race, Tesla’s current advantage is simply better traction. With traction, the Hellcat is a 10 second car.
            Not that it really matters. Anyone would be lucky to own either car.

          • RobSolf

            That it’s better than the old Challenger is irrelevant.

            That it develops more torque at lower RPM’s isn’t an asset unless it can use it. Which it clearly can’t.

            Tesla’s “torque falling off”, assuming that’s true, is something that will improve since electric motors are largely about incoming power. Meanwhile, +700HP out of a V8 is a milestone for IC engines, yet its match is met, long before power storage tech is even ready for it.

          • William Wayne

            It can use the torque fine in the right setting (at a prepped drag strip).

  • Honoring_Honore

    The next test. Let’s drive 300 miles across country, pull in to the filling station, then drive another 300 miles. Who wins after 600 miles?

    Another test… the dumb sh&T test. Drive until out of gas, or charge, then hike to the filling station to come back with a couple gallons of gas.

    For cross country trips. Will charging stations for electric cars come with sleeping quarters? To nap while being charged?

    How long (how many miles) will the Tesla go, or any electric vehicle, while blowing the AC in August, in Florida, at night?

    • Elijah McStotts

      http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

      Sure, takes longer than filling up, but recharging on road trips isn’t going to be nearly the issue you make it out to be. Also, they’re all solar powered. And free. So I’ll take the 40-75 minutes to “top off my tank” if I don’t have to pay anything for it.

      • Honoring_Honore

        WOW! You guys are going to charge your customers for FREE?

        Maybe that would be a great incentive for a $100K car. And how many square acres for that solar field?

        • grendal

          Ha. Actually Tesla bought a lot of their robots for their factory at the Solyndra bankruptcy fire sale. 🙂 That is true.

          Elon Musk owns the largest solar panel installation company. So he gets a great deal on millions of solar panels.

    • grendal

      Do you drive 600 miles every day? You don’t? Then maybe consider that having a full charge every morning for whatever driving you do during the day is more convenient.
      You are setting the rules so the advantages of a gas car is highlighted. The electric car works different. It has advantages over the gas car in some cases too.

  • guz

    “click off 11-second runs all day”
    Umm, no. A few of those runs and it would need to recharge for a few hours…
    That said, electric propulsion is the inevitable future. Not sure if it’s batteries, ultra caps, hydrogen or something else…

    • Ryan Grobe

      Hydrogen would be the best option, only issue is most hydrogen engines aren’t efficient enough for sports cars. Batteries have a lot of drawbacks such as toxic chemicals, dead battery banks, limited amounts of charge cycles, etc. Batteries are decent but they aren’t the most viable option.

      • William Wayne

        Elon Musk seems to think that hydrogen is not the way:

        “When asked about hydrogen, Musk called them ‘extremely silly’ and went on a tear about his myriad of issues with the fuel before saying that the sooner we give up on hydrogen the better. ‘This will be super obvious when time goes by.’ “

        • Ryan Grobe

          Because all of his cars rely on batteries manufactured in Japan that create a lot of revenue when he sells his cars. Super dense batteries cost a lot of money and he passes that cost on to consumers. However I’d trust Tesla Motors over Fisker and other electric cars.

        • Honoring_Honore

          Of course Elon Musk would say that about competitive technology.

          • William Wayne

            I thought I read somewhere that the energy used to produce the hydrogen was higher than the energy produced by the hydrogen in these applications.
            What made gasoline so darned attractive (when it was really easy to find) was that the cost to recover was far exceeded by the energy recovered. As oil becomes harder to extract, this ratio falls off pretty significantly. Hydrogen is literally everywhere, so the more efficient its recovery (such as splitting water atoms), the more attractive it becomes as a fuel.

      • grendal

        Hydrogen makes no sense at all right now.
        Can you buy a hydrogen powered car today? Nope.
        When you can buy a hydrogen car, how much will it cost? Three times as much as a gas car.
        Where will you refuel your HFCV? 20 stations in the US so far.
        How much will the compressed hydrogen cost? More than gasoline is right now
        Are there any gains in performance? Nope.
        Is there some convenience advantage that will make the vehicle compelling? Not that I’ve seen. In fact it’s pretty inconvenient considering it takes twice as long to fill up as gasoline and there are so few refill stations.
        So if you some reason anyone would jump on that please let us know.

    • Honoring_Honore

      Hydrogen is something to look forward to. At least you can go get a can of hydrogen. You can’t go get a charge when stranded.

      • grendal

        You’re going to get a can of compressed hydrogen? Not likely. Maybe you should do some actual research before you make such an uninformed comment. Electricity is everywhere, hydrogen infrastructure doesn’t exist yet and will cost billions to put in place.

  • nwh2787

    Who cares. The guy who was driving the Challenger obviously fucked up.

  • ryanromn76

    the moment electric cars are turned on they have 100% of the torque available unlike combustion cars that must build it up

  • Bill

    Challenger Helcat doesn’t do 17 second in the quarter mile. The Hellcat is an 11 second car. the power was too much and the gy shifting wouldn’t shift up the gy on stick or the trans went on the Hellcat.

  • academicjock

    I read the article and many of the comments to finally watch that garbage race? I don’t really care who won. I just wanted to see a race. My 91 year old mother could have done a better job driving the Challenger. The guy was starting to go sideways he was such a bad driver. What a WASTE OF TIME!

  • Steve Brandon

    It looked like the guy in the Tesla red lighted both times

  • George Klean

    I agree that all this is rubbish…I’ve never seen a posting so stacked with BS. I would suspect most of these comments for the “Tesla” are from people who were paid or work for the company. Please don’t think the whole world are idiots… 🙁

    • grendal

      Really. You need a conspiracy theory to make yourself feel better. Actually read the article and you will find that the author points out the strengths and weaknesses of each car.

    • William Wayne

      No, they’re not paid. They’re just uber fanboys…they’re in every camp. Except maybe Kia?

  • PavePusher

    Yeah, try racing a similar gas-powered car, with all-wheel drive, launch control, and traction control before bragging.

    Also, what are the prices of the two vehicles?

    • Doug Takeuchi

      The mercedes AMG e class is very close in performance to the Tesla. similarly priced too.. it has nicer seats as well. I’m sure the Porsche gt3 is close too.

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  • Commenter

    Telsa people are driving the Hellcat

  • Justin Presley

    Here’s the problem: You cannot make 11 second runs all day in the tesla, you can make one, maybe two runs, you will spend the remainder of the day charging. The other thing is you can leave your hellcat on ‘E’ while you go on vacation for a few weeks and not have to replace your car when you get home. And if the hellcat runs out of fuel a can of gas will get you home. Then there are the environmental concerns. If you are ok with strip mining lithium, transporting the lithium all over the world in ships that burn the dirtiest fuel on earth, to be processed in china (because china is the only place that allows it due to the unholy pollutants released during the process) then to be energized by burning coal or some other similarly dirty process.

    I also find it amusing that they chose the much heavier challenger instead of the charger.

    And finally for about $60,000 you could buy a used gt-r and upgrade it to alpha 12 for much less than the tesla and run circles around the tesla “all day”

    • grendal

      If you are going to make points you should not exaggerate and post completely incorrect information.
      You can make plenty of runs in the Tesla since it has a 250 mile range.
      You can leave your Tesla unplugged for a year without harming the battery pack. Even if you are stupid enough to do that Tesla will replace your pack for free.
      If you run out of electricity you can plug in anywhere since every home and business has a plug. But again, it takes someone pretty stupid to run out of gas or electricity.
      Try not to bring up environmental issues when you don’t know what you are commenting about. Tesla doesn’t use lithium from China. Gas and oil have caused serious damage around the world. Wars are fought over oil. And that is from someone not against gas or oil. If you really want to argue about it you will lose badly so don’t waste your time.
      There are advantages and disadvantages to each of these cars. The point of the article is that electric cars are in their infancy and they are already doing pretty spectacular things. So you can stick your head in the sand or you can be impressed like you should be while still appreciating whichever car you prefer. The Model S is pretty impressive.

      • Justin Presley

        First, you should probably check into how the 250 mile range is calculated. You will be surprised to find that the range is not 1000 1/4 mile runs at maximum thrust, but instead they calculate it as a mix of city and highway driving at a snail’s pace. This is the same for gas powered vehicles or hybrids or horses for that matter. A prius running at full tilt will get south of 9 mpg. (I know from experience as I was able to achieve 4 mpg)

        As for the batteries dying I know about that from experience as well. You see my neighbor HAD a tesla roadster that completely died not once but twice and both times he was stuck with a huge bill to bring it back to life (it took less than 2 days to go from about 90% to “bricked”)

        As for plugging in, yes every home and business has a plug, but unless that plug is 220v and connected to the tesla “enhanced supercharger” You will be sitting in front of that home or business for a significant portion of your day, whereas a gasoline vehicle takes less than 2 minutes to go from empty to full.

        I never said tesla used lithium from china, merely that is where the lithium is processed from natural ore state to a type of reactive foam. Lithium being one of the most deadly poisons and the process of vaporizing and re forming lithium into a lithium polymer is very very dangerous. One single breath of the vapors released from that process causes madness and death in about 2 hours. Degraded lithium cells that leak the polymer foam can easily taint the groundwater. Death by lithium poisoning is not a nice way to die. Not to put to fine a point on it but do you know what happens to a lithium polymer cell when over charged or too rapidly depleted? They explode releasing a cloud of lithium hydroxide that will easily kill anyone near it.

        Wars were fought over oil, you say? I thought it was more about the 2 million victims of a sadistic regime, but this discussion is about the merits of cars and not politics. I can tell you that gas is several orders of magnitude safer than lithium. Lithium is lethal in micrograms whereas you could swim in gasoline with only minor irritation.

        I am impressed with other “clean energy advances”, just not this one. Electric vehicles in their infancy? Really? The first electric car was built in 1828! We have had electric cars, locomotives, buses, subways even aircraft all over the last 187 years. I don’t know about you, but I have a problem calling a 187 year old an “infant”. You know what makes the modern tesla different than some of the original electric cars? At a basic level, nothing. The motor design has changed little, the batteries have a different composition but still work the same way. You are foaming at the mouth over a concept that is 187 years old, proudly proclaiming it the savior of mankind without a basic concept of the technology and you call me stupid?

        Oh and my neighbor got rid of his roadster when it tried to burn his house down when the chip designed to prevent overcharging failed and the batteries caught fire, tesla wrote him a pretty big check so I guess you can call that a “win”.

        • grendal

          I call you a liar.
          You can’t drain the batteries in a Roadster in less than a month unless you are intentionally being an idiot. That was the in the very first generation car too. Your story of your friend’s Roadster is either exaggerated ridiculously or made up. The later Roadsters were even more difficult to ruin the batteries. The Model S is really hard to ruin the batteries, equivalent to leaving a gas car parked for over a year. It would ruin that car as well.

    • Doug Takeuchi

      actually here’s the “old” tesla S against a gtr http://youtu.be/yDqyo9z86zc

      here are some tidbits: The batteries right now are made by Panasonic, the same makers of your TV and cell phone batteries. Lithium Batteries, like the lead acid battery in your car, is recyclable.. Lead mining in the u.s. is also highly toxic.. Lithium is mined mainly in South America and by coincidence in Wyoming.. It it’s transported by ships.. but, although dirty, ships burn 10x less than rail and rail another 10x less than motor cargo.. so in net sum.. ocean is a great way to transport goods.

      I’m not saying that the Tesla is a better track or quarter mile car, or that it’s prettier etc..

      All in all the anti electric car folks should be pro electric cars for others as it makes the price of gas cheaper for them… The drivers of the Chrysler Goliath should be happy to see Prius’ on the road because all in all.. it contributed to making the 5 buck per gallon gas 2 bucks. global oil consumption only increased by 1%.. LED lighting, Hybrid cars etc.. all contributed to the reduction in the increase of fossil fuel consumption, which, everyone, except coal and big oil employees and executives, should be celebrating.

      • Justin Presley

        I am aware of the batteries (18650a series) The batteries are made in different places but the lithium polymer ONLY comes from china. Lithium is strip mined transported to china by boat then sent to final assembly to be made into batteries. The lithium is recyclable but not if the batty leaks and certainly not if they explode. Pointing out that lead is also toxic is an interesting counter argument. Plutonium is also toxic as is cadmium, but the batteries in this car are made with lithium.

        The boats that transport the lithium all over the world burn “bunker fuel” which is like asphalt, and there is no way that they burn less than rail (it is less expensive not better for the environment) Shipping companies would run their ships by burning baby seals if it was cheaper.

        As for the reduction in the price of oil it had A LOT more to do with market than usage. US oil is expensive to get and refine BUT it is more plentiful. When the cost of oil was high it made the higher expense of shale and other oils more attractive. With the threat of a huge boom in domestic production foreign oil producers (mostly the Saudi’s) realized that their oil was not going to sell as well. They like money and they decided to raise production and lower the cost to make the more costly oils price prohibitive. Or more succinctly who would pay $90 a barrel for domestic when import could be had for less than $50?

        • Doug Takeuchi

          No it’s not.. the main mining sources for lithium are in south America. Also check a sustainability report.. it speaks to the efficiency of ships.. If ships were less efficient than rail.. why would we every import anything from China into the east coast ports vs. going exclusively via long beach than using a rail car to cross the country? It’s just cheaper. You’re right about the oil.. Saudi’s cost per barrel is about 5-6 dollars.. our extraction cost is around $50 bucks.. It does have to do with market demand and the u.s. is the largest producer of oil, albeit at a higher cost. my belief is that Saudi’s plan is to drive out the high cost producers, Russian, Iran, and U.S. share into insolvency.. I’m guessing in 2 years we’ll see 130 dollar oil..

          • Justin Presley

            Something must be getting lost in the translation. The MINING source is not at issue, the refining source is. By your logic all gasoline is made in the middle east.

            As for your beliefs on oil, at $130 it would be less expensive to get domestic oil rather than imported, and as such the saudi’s have no interest in pricing themselves out of the market.

      • Justin Presley

        here’s the upgraded gt-r I mentioned. Depending on options and year this can be had for either slightly less than or slightly more than a new tesla.

        Under 2 seconds to 60 under 8 seconds to the quarter, there is no car that can match those numbers, not even the veyron.

        • Doug Takeuchi

          that’s pretty awesome.

        • Doug Takeuchi

          The fact that it can beat a motorcycle and has AWD is pretty cool. I looked at this model car, along with the Porsche AWD, (I think it was a GT?), as well as the Tesla. I ended up with a BMW 3 series x drive as the doors were much easier to open.. The tesla didn’t have AWD at the time. As you can tell, I know next to zero about track times etc other than 10 seconds is fast (my experience from movie Fast and Furious) and 17 seconds is slow from this thread.. I do know about things like sourcing, energy, investing, and finance though.. I’ll defer to you for the vehicle expertise, as I have my car serviced when it runs out of windshield wiper fluid..

  • Doug Takeuchi

    I find it hysterical that a car designed as a daily driver / grocery getter is almost as fast as the self proclaimed fastest performance car. I’m looking at the p85D because it has all wheel drive, seats 7 and can get up my hill in the snow and gets great mileage. The fact that it can do a 12 second quarter mile while surfing the internet is just a bonus.. :).

  • tigerbalm2010

    Let’s be honest: the driver of the Dodge is a red-neck RepugBlican (yes, they are repugnant); the driver of the Tesla is probably a Volvo-bleeding Democrat from California.

    It should be obvious which one should be allowed to procreate and which one shouldn’t.

    Does America (and the Universe for that matter) really need more Fucktard, inbreds any more? Enough is enough! Let’s put government-sanctioned castration on the ballot in 2016!

  • Jaime Rios

    wow…its like watching the car version of the dorks who argue over apple and android…. “No your stupid the thing I love is the best because” irrelevant fact “no your stupid because the thing I love is the best because “Completely unrelated irrelevant fact….. good lord you guys have WAYYYYY to much free time….

  • You guys can’t fault the Charger driver… after all…, it’s “American MUSCLE”, not “American BRAINS”… 😀

  • johnbresnik

    It’s hard for old-school people (including myself) to accept the all these changes, but they’re going to happen whether we accept them or not. Change is here to stay.

  • Saint James Matamoros

    BS, the hellcat driver redlighted then smoked the tires, RETARDED headline.

  • Bill

    Let’s see – 707 HP going through two wheels, or 691 going through 4… Yeah the Tesla is going to be easier to launch for anyone that wants to take it drag racing. Anyone that understands the physics of driving knows this. Why do you think so many supercars – including the current holy grail of them all, the Bugatti Veyron SS – use all-wheel drive? Managing that kind of power through two wheels is difficult for the typical driver, and those people should stick to the black key.

    If Chrysler drops that engine into a new version of the SRT Grand Cherokee – let us call it a Streethawk, as the rumor mill does – then we’re closer to an apples-to-apples comparison, as that would give the Hellcat motor 4 wheels to work with. Maybe if Tesla’s SUV comes with a P85D package, we can have a true battle of what’s superior. Until then…

  • Dan Gwinn

    The tesla is fairly ugly, and it has a range of 275 miles before it has to locate and sit at a recharging station for 5 hours. The Hellcat looks great and takes about 5 minutes to refill at nearly any street corner after a 400+ mile trip.

    • ReallyNow

      Uhh no. I mean some people think it’s ugly, others don’t. It’s not like a smart car or Chevy HHR or Pontiac Aztec, where very few people would defend those cars.

      Also, it takes 30 minutes, not 5 hours. It’s an American car company doing something that should have been done years ago. Have some respect, son.

      • Dan Gwinn

        We’re both wrong. I hadn’t yet read about supercharging, which on the 85 kWh takes an hour for a full charge. Of course, the Hellcat is almost half the price of the P85D. Even if you managed to use the free charging stations for 100% of your charging, you could drive the Hellcat 1000 miles per week and pay $2.75 per gallon over a seven year lease and still be money ahead.

        • Bung0

          Yep, you get’s what you pays for. You also get’s what your smarts deserves. Rolling IQ test.

    • ikshields

      You have exactly zero taste, sir.

    • Flooby

      You’re vastly uninformed.

  • Pete Braun

    This is all proof-positive that, in a drag race, the launch can be the deciding factor.

  • drewzer15

    All I can say is the Hellcat is sexier. There’s nothing sexy about 4 doors.

    • ikshields

      I don’t know, that sleek Tesla looks way sexier to me, four doors or not. The Hellcat just comes off loud and dumb. But, hey, I guess “Jersey Shore” serves as some people’s idea of sexy, too.

      • Prickly

        Ouch.

    • Bung0

      Yeesh…no accounting for taste. It’s so completely infantile, like Cars/Transformers/Perpetual Man-Child esque that I can’t help but giggle whenever I see some dope behind the wheel of one of these things. There are plenty of sexy ICE’s out there, this aint one (unless you have the mentality of a 13 year old). IMHO, of course. ;-D

      • Warden Clyffe

        Only a man-child giggles… A 13 year old man-child.

        • Bung0

          Definitely not! When something is of such banality that it is amusing, at most it’s worth a giggle. Looks like I hit a nerve with my personal opinion? Sorry ‘lil bub!

    • drewzer15

      So I guess because I have an onion that differs from others that makes me a childish, loud, dumb dope that only gets off on Jersey Shore? When you result to name calling and insults you automatically lose the debate.

  • dickhead4hundred44

    radiation vs exhaust fumes, pick your poison

  • Matt

    See this all the time. Jumped the gun, had fun.

  • Jim Seko

    There’s a perfect explanation for this. Someone from the New England Patriots let some air out of the tires.

  • Clifford Harrington

    Being an “all of the above” guy I am looking forward to the release of Tesla’s new offering. That said the stated average 1/4 mile time for the Hellcat is 11.4 with launch control which would smoke the Tesla every time. Without launch control and a competent driver it would be even faster. Sorry but the commercials where the lady gets tangled up in her plastic wrap are put-ons that lose me. So does this put-on “Race”

  • Jeremy Ovaere

    I like those comparatives. It’s like comparing a F1 against a prius…. A start like this one I agree tesla is the best as electric gives his power directly and not a combustion engine. Try the same but already launched and the tesla would have some issues to keep the track. Oh, and such a missed match-up just proves nothing…

  • Jim Seko

    I don’t know why but I’m pleased this article has attracted a few trolls.

    • Prickly

      Because you are trying to get over the bridge and the goats are …well you know..

  • Fred Sherman

    The article is flawed. The premise is anyone can drive a Tesla and beat bad drivers in a Hellcat. Lets correct the flaws…

    First, don’t compare Tesla to Challenger. Lets go sedan to sedan and bring in the Hellcat Charger, the faster of the two Hellcats.

    The author writes, “…the Hellcat driver clearly opted to turn the Launch Control option off”, negating his premise. In other words, he tells us how great the software behind the Tesla is compared to the software in the Challenger – if the Challenger’s software is disabled!

    Engage the race mode software in the Hellcat and it becomes a different story. Engage all of the race options, including laugh control and race mode launch RPM tuning and this has an entirely different outcome. Swap drivers and the outcome is still the same, all day, every day.

    This is an example of taking a worst case incident and making incorrect, sweeping generalization. Not taking anything away from the Tesla, but there isn’t anything “old school” about the Hellcat. It is the most advanced mass produced automobile every produced by humanity. 90% of the engine components are brand new for the Hellcat motor. And to be a far comparison, “insane” setting must by compared to “race options on”, to be an effective comparison. And that alone will disprove the claim that the hellcat requires “tremendous skill to drive fast”.

    The proof? I let my daughter take a few laps in mine. She doesn’t race. The track was her first time driving my Charger. She drove 10s three runes in a row, leaving Mustang GT500 carcasses in her wake.

    So I know from personal, first hand experience, this article is patently false in its premise.

  • ottawamediator

    Oh let’s be real here. The hellcat which has recorded a 10.9 1/4mile time, on this video is running a 17.7 (slower than a civic) How about you find a driver who knows how to drive stick and do a re-match. Better yet, do a race from a roll and the tesla can see that beautiful ass end of the challenger.

    Also, to everyone praising the tesla, it’s a awesome car however in terms of reliability, it’s not. Do your research. Oh and when it comes time to replace a battery in a tesla, normal car 200$ roughly, tesla, 10,000$ plus. So for any money you saved on gas, you’ll need it for repairs.

    • Bung0

      Reliability concerns? Please, do cite your sources. I’ll simply cite the Tesla customer satisfaction rating of….wait for it…. 98%. And can you tell us what the Tesla battery warranty is? Please do look it up and report back, of course taking into consideration that warranties are always far more conservative than projected life-spans (of basically any product) Then, can you project what a new battery will cost when it does come time to replace, factoring in the various outlets for repurposing and it’s almost 100% recyclability, Giga factory production, and basic market economies of scale that are already drastically reducing the cost of batteries.

      • Doug Takeuchi

        it’s rather ludicrous to compare battery prices..

        • Bung0

          Haha! You caught that bit too! But then, he’s vaporized into the ether after flinging his poo against the wall here.

    • Bung0

      Still waiting….

      • ottawamediator

        I work at a shop where 2 of my customers own a tesla. The cars are fantastic (as I said in my original post) however, they are not reliable. It’s common knowledge that the majority of tesla owners have numerous problems with electrical glitches, varying from the centre screen not turning on, to the entire car itself not turning on. The battery is good for 8 years, as is the warranty. The cost to replace as tesla battery every 8 years is 10,000 for the 60kwh battery and 12.000 for the 85 kwh battery plus taxes and delivery, that’s about the same as gas, differences is when you are driving and your about to run out of gas, no problem. When you are driving down a highway and are running out of battery, you are screwed. That isn’t including anything else you have to do still such as brakes, tires, and got knows what to the electrical systems. So overall i’ll take the gas everyday, all day.

    • grendal

      Why do a roll? A roll happens because of the weakness of an ICE engine. You need to get the RPMs up before you get any power. That just highlights the strength of an electric car that it does not have that weakness.
      It would be better to just point out how this wasn’t an actual race.
      There is nothing to be afraid of about electric cars. They have advantages and disadvantages over the old technology. One of their advantages is that they have 100% torque at 0 RPMs. One of the disadvantages of an electric is that they only have one gear, for now.

      • ottawamediator

        Drive any newer SRT products, and you’ll see (with the exception of the JEEP SRT) that they have more power on the roll and can get the power to the ground easier.

        • grendal

          Or just jumped the light which is what happened so then he didn’t even try.

  • Eric

    How embarrassing for the idiot driving the Skittle-green Hellcat. He got beat by a battery car.

    • Flooby

      Yup. The ‘battery car’ will beat just about anything, but the driver of the Hellcat jumped the light.

  • Sam Massengill

    as usual the media is not aware of things BUT give a opinion none the less

    • Warden Clyffe

      The word that escapes you in your remark about people being unaware, but opining anyway, is ‘nonetheless’… How is it that you are unaware of the fact that it is merely one word?

      • Warden Clyffe

        But your inept remark is “as usual” for Internet forums…

      • Sam Massengill

        Like I give a phyk …:)

  • john i

    Terrible match-up?

    Yes.

    Would a real driver in the hell-cat beat the Tesla?

    Yes.

    Is there only one REAL competitor in the electric car industry?

    Basically yes.

    How many years have Tesla been in the industry?

    Around 10.

    How long has the internal combustion engine been refined?

    Well over a century.

    The first producer of practical electric cars can make a family sedan that almost competes with some of the most highly tuned production cars in the world. Maybe today Tesla doesn’t yet beat the best of internal combustion engines but times are changing. As more players come into the market and competition ensues I think it is fair to say within 10 years from a purely performance aspect the internal combustion engine will be replaced.

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  • Svein Hanssen

    please re-run

  • MarshallMike

    “Three tenths of a second isn’t much”? That shows how much the asshat who wrote this article knows about any kind of racing. Break down the math, kids; 60 MILES per HOUR translates to 88 FEET per SECOND. At 120 mph (the speed necessary to run an 11.3 second, 1/4 mile time), it turns into 176 feet per SECOND. That’s 17.6 feet every TENTH of a second. In THREE tenths of a second, that’s a 52.8 foot margin of victory, and that’s a fucking blow-out in a drag race; it’s more than 3 car lengths to you kids out there who failed math in high school “because you didn’t need to know it”. You guys can tout that poorly built $145,000.00 golf cart all you like; try running more than a few full-power passes like that and see if you can get those 7,100 batteries to get you home without “a jump”. And NO, you can’t just “plug it in” to recharge it, either. “All day long”, my eye. I will say this much for you millennial pussies who are pissed off that cars don’t drive themselves yet; this is the perfect video game for you to hop into and text each other instead of paying attention to the road, you know, like when your mom drives you to your equally under-employed friend’s house to watch “Palladia” because they’re showing The White Keys’ set from Glastonbury 2 years ago. Too bad you’ll never collect enough tips at Starbucks to fucking buy one.

    • Prickly

      So there!

      • MarshallMike

        That’s right.

    • Bung0

      I love this rant on so many levels. My ‘lil bub, you win today’s Internet in the off-kilter post of the day category. My compliments!

      • MarshallMike

        I’m here to help.

    • Warden Clyffe

      You’re awfully emotional for a man… How come?

  • Prickly

    The driver of the Hell Cat must be cowering in the back of his closet right now. That was an embarrassing attempt at driving.

    • grendal

      Yeah. Too bad he had his error pasted all over the internet.

  • thelastrealrepublican

    It really would help the discussion a whole lot if some of the posters had at least read an article about the 2013 car of the year. It’s not like the information, statistics and facts are not available. None are so blind as those who will not see. Learn about the Tesla.
    Its better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

  • Eric Goggans

    What happened?? Where did all these commenters come from????

    Gas 2.0 is usually so quiet 🙂

  • Derpington_The_Third

    “So I ask you which is the better car; the one that takes tremendous
    skill to drive fast, or the one that takes almost no skill at all?”

    HAHA OH BOY the kids from Call of Duty come to the race strips to whine about an electric car beating the shit out of muscle car.

  • Ruckweiler

    Ok. Let’s have a race from NY to Los Angeles.

    • grendal

      Okay. Since the Tesla can do that for free let’s say they have no money to make the trip. The Hellcat will stop after 400 miles after it runs out of gas while the Tesla will go all the way to New York.
      If you’re going to create your own rules supporting the strengths of one car then you’ve pre-determined the outcome.
      Each car has certain advantages and disadvantages. They are different and work differently. Vive la difference.

      • Doug Takeuchi

        I’d take that one straight up.. in the dead of winter a rwd car doesn’t handle too well..

        • grendal

          Traction control corrects almost anything. Tesla is the number one selling car in Norway. That country is as cold, snowy, and icy as it gets.

    • Doug Takeuchi

      Sure.. over the rockies and the sierras.. in the dead of winter.. the Tesla’s range will be reduced about 20%.

  • Joe

    Christopher DiMoron is a horrible writer and this website should be ashamed for wasting our time. My Honda Odyssey could have beaten the Dodge easily. Without the video, there might be an argument for torque as these cars are completely different animals. What a waste of time though to sit through that.

    • grendal

      You didn’t actually read the article before you attacked it did you? Maybe you should do that BEFORE you post a comment that is not on topic.

      • Joe

        Hahah…I read your other comments. You are such a waste of space and oxygen and not even worth me acknowledging your trollish commentary.

        • grendal

          Hardy. At least I read the article BEFORE I commented. So then I’m not completely a tool like you were and are. You didn’t even read my history correctly because of your own silly bias. Did you read the post on a green car site that posted an article doing what you think this writer did. They just mentioned how the Tesla beat the Hellcat. I commented that it didn’t and clarified that the Hellcat red lighted. But you don’t really care about any truth or reality since you can’t even be bothered to read the article you are attacking.

          • Joe

            Sorry, but anyone who is THAT into cars and commenting about them on message boards is a complete lame-tard. How about doing something useful in lieu of jerking off and then waxing your car. Fool

          • grendal

            You commented. So you cared enough to put your opinion out there. The fact that you got it wrong makes you the lame idiot. The fact that you haven’t acknowledged your mistake and then compounded upon it makes you an even bigger idiot.

            I actually do most of my commenting at work. I luckily have a job that allows me the free time to post when I can. Not that you care.

  • TheDman113

    Would have been more interesting of both had started at the same time.

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  • stevemac213

    what crap.

  • Bung0

    Let me ask the throngs of ICE fanatics here that seem to be absolutely irrational beyond expectation: wouldn’t you rather the remaining fossil fuels we have easy access to be used as the amazing building materials that they are, rather than burned? Seriously, right now it’s no different than what we did as cave people: burn stuff for energy. EVs allow for the use of renewable energy (solar, hydro, wind, maybe some nuke) while freeing that reserve for building stuff. We’re burning probably the most important building material on this planet. That’s kind of dumber than a box of rocks level of stupid when there is an alternative available now.

    Yes, dummy, I know it can’t happen over night. My point is that who in their right mind or not suffering from mental illness would be anything other than thrilled with the advancement of light duty EV tech? And who wouldn’t feel just a twinge of regret when seeing that fossil fuel burned for such frivolous nonsense? That’s coming from someone who has owned muscle cars, real 4x4s of various types, and still viscerally appreciates the sound of a serious engine. And yes, the dope behind the wheel of the gaudy “Premium Collection” rental car couldn’t drive his way out of a Wal Mart parking lot.

    • grendal

      And that is the point…well said.

    • Warden Clyffe

      The word you bitched in your remark to an unidentified dummy, is ‘overnight’.

      • Bung0

        Hmm… methinks I’ve identified that dummy. 😉 Me for typing like a dummy, and you for focusing on the point (though you forgot the required word “about”). Touché!

      • Bung0

        Hmm… silence? From someone with a Disqus comment history showing a sever fixation on correcting the grammar of others, your glaring mistakes in this one are very telling. Yes, not just the missing word, but there is another. Why is that?

      • Bung0

        FYI, just had another giggle at your ineptitude. Just saying.

    • Doug Takeuchi

      It’s a rather pointless conversation.. wouldn’t Hellcat fans rather have people driving Teslas so it drives down the cost of gas to race at the track for the weekend?

      • Bung0

        You’re talking big picture thinking here, far above the intellectual pay grade of most of these commenters. 😉

  • James Clayton Carlson

    Just out of curiosity if you own a Hellcat do you measure fuel efficiency in miles per gallon or gallons per mile?

    • Tom News

      Both!

  • Sean Balogh

    Which is the better car? Clearly, the Tesla. Which is more desirable is up for discussion. My opinion stands with the Challenger. I’d rather have a car that’s going to test me, than just me testing the car.

    • Doug Takeuchi

      apparently you can turn off the controls on the Tesla too.. Apparently you can smoke all 4 tires at the same time as well. It does make you wonder what an EV that was purposely designed for the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times as well as the american performance market would do.

  • Isak Swahn

    A beautiful piece of engineering, but mechanics just can’t compete with electronics in the long run:

  • nobodyhome

    try them both on slicks Guarantee different results

  • nobodyhome

    who really cares anyway electric guys enjoy your electric cars and looking for a place to recharge. Hellcat guys enjoy your supercharged porkers I just want a wrecked hellcat so I can swing the powerplant into my 4dr valiant at 3200pds instead of 4500 should be a ten second sleeper

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    that is all.
    the hellcat hit the brakes the the tesla took off

    • Bung0

      That was the regular S, not the P85D, right?

      • grendal

        Yes.

      • Doug Takeuchi

        yeah that’s the slow Tesla

  • Put a properly matched tranny behind an electric motor and NO ICE can touch it. KigerStang will prove this with a 500HP, 750 FT/LB motor and a 5 speed should bring it in faster than the Tesla dual motor “go-cart”.
    Still like Tesla’s but without the shifting exhilaration, its not a true muscle car.
    Pretty impressive for your grandfathers luxury car though.
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Total-AUTOmation-Works-LLC/599825060053495?ref=hl

  • ecosse

    the charger hellcat is quicker than the challenger.

  • Mike Little

    The Hellcat guy can buy a car but he can’t drive one. Good lord. Gets hole shot and they loses traction for 100 yards. Clown.

    • Big F’N Show

      He red lighted = he auto lost. Learn bracket racing clown.

    • Doug Takeuchi

      for my edification, what’s a hole shot and what’s red lighted mean?

    • Tom News

      He red lighted, then realized he did then had fun going down the track. Watch the video. Clown

  • Michael Davis

    The Dodge scratched, so he let off.

  • bobfairlane

    I’ll take the Hell-cat. The other thing is fugly. I like the muscle car. Gas up at any station, cruise anywhere, only needs one battery. hahha

  • Big F’N Show

    The charger red lighted he let off and coasted no use to stress car.
    Learn bracket racing then make a post. It only turned an 11.68 if the
    Dodge had stayed on it11.68 couldn’t touch the chargers average stock
    10.9

  • John Coolidge

    Worst.Driver.Ever

  • Charles Cates

    I can buy two Challengers for the price of the Tesla or I can buy one Challenger and do a lot of driving even at 19 MPG for the difference in cost. The Tesla is sweet, and American owned, a fine example of innovation and the harbinger of things to come. Alas it’s out of my price range, I’d love to drive one someday though!

    • Doug Takeuchi

      you can schedule test drives at any Tesla Store.. they’re a nice ride.. The base tesla runs about 60K with the federal tax credit.. All in they’re about the price of Lexus GS or a BMW 5 series.. I’m not a racer, I’m a daily driver sedan guy.

  • PodBoy

    11’s for an electric car is impressive, but the victory isn’t. The guy driving the Dodge can’t race to save his life, did a 1/8th mile whole shot. can’t win if you don’t bother to get traction.

  • Tim Meding

    fake fake fake…

  • Mark R.M. Holmstrand

    Do we old guys have to keep telling you youngsters that it’s the torque, not the horsepower that wins drag races? The Tesla has all of its torque available immediately, the Dodge must wind up to its torque.

  • DiFiasco

    I’m all for electric but this race was pure horseshit. Let’s see a decent head-to-head instead of some b.s. claim off a bad start.

  • zn

    Bloody hell. Where did all these commenters come from!!? This is awesome.

  • astralweeks

    Not saying the Tesla wouldn’t win, but maybe the Hellcat needs a driver that knows how to race.

  • Don Williams

    I visited the Tesla dealership in Seattle and talked at length with a guy very knowledgeable about the cars. He changed my perspective 180 degrees. If they had the free charging stations near where I work and live, I’d have bought one and drove it back home (2500 miles).

    But they don’t, so they don’t work for me where I live.

    But then, when cars first started catching on, it was not all that easy to find a gas station. And as it changed then, it will change now. I have no doubt Electric will be the most common choice in the future, as technology continues to improve and make it a more and more viable option, but it is still a bleeding edge thing.

    But I now know why Washington state wants to tax cars by the mile, rather than the gallon. The electrics and hybrids really are taking over in King county. Any futurist can see it. I saw quite a few Teslas on the road in Chicago as well.

    • grendal

      They should have a Supercharger near you by the end of 2016. At that time they will have 98% of the lower 48 states covered.

      There are only 2 of them in my state so far and placed out of the way for a trip. By the end of this year I’ll have another six and placed in useful places for travelling.

  • Don Williams

    One of the comical things about electric cars and watermelons: Watermelons never bother to think about where the electricity comes from. In my neck of the woods it comes from coal.

    • grendal

      Yep. However you can improve and clean up a coal burning plant. The gas engine is about as clean as it will ever get.

      The funny thing about coal plants is that you don’t turn them off. An electric car is charged at night when there is excess electricity. So the reality is in coal burning electric areas, the electric vehicle is using mostly unused electricity.

      Also, did you know that refining oil into gasoline uses a whole lot of electricity. In fact 486 BILLION kWh of electricity was used in 2013 by oil refineries. It’s easy to look that number up since it is posted on a number of government websites.

      So a gas car is also a coal burning car.

  • astralweeks

    Maybe Bill Belichik is driving the Tesla and deflated the tires?

  • guz

    Not really sure if this is a fair test? I mean the Tesla is far more expensive than the Dodge, and if you put the modifications into the Dodge to match the Tesla’s price, I’m sure it would be faster. Plus it can go 300 miles, stop for 5 minutes, and go another 300 miles, and so on. It also seems the Dodge driver didn’t launch correctly? In any event, the Tesla is awesome, electric is the future, and if it is ever as cheap as a normal car, and has the same range, and becomes almost as quick to charge (which I’m sure is all coming soon) then gasoline engines will become relics…

  • MountainManiac2

    I don’t understand all the hatred. These cars are both awesome in their own unique way. This is just one race, and another race might look (slightly) different. Can’t we agree to admire both cars for what they are? The Tesla is a remarkable achievement, and provides a thrill that is entirely different than an ICE vehicle can provide, with crazy amounts of torque instantaneously available at any speed (given that it has no transmission). The Hellcat is a badass nod to beloved old technology that stirs emotion and excitement in a more traditional way. I have a Tesla P85, but that doesn’t mean I don’t also love my gasoline-powered Ferrari, or my old 911, or my previous M3 or S8 or….

  • naedrdmk

    Put a drag racer in the Challenger and try again. The Dodge driver sucked.

  • Jeeves Seveej

    This is a response to people claiming you can buy the tesla for under 30k with tax incentives LOL. Actually with the 7,500 dollar tax deduction the tesla used in this piece costs almost twice as much as the hellcat. 128,998-137,045 depending on options. That price range includes the tax deduction already taken out. I actually just went and priced one out on their site. So say what you want. I don’t like either of these cars, I’m a mopar guy too.

    • Jeeves Seveej

      Now in comparison a hellcat with EVERY OPTION available costs 65k. Just priced it out also. So like I said, say what you will. We have some factual information now.

      • grendal

        A Tesla P85D is more expensive than a loaded Hellcat. However, it is fully functional vehicle with a much wider range of uses than the Hellcat. So you’ve got to pay extra for all the technology and functionality the Tesla has.

    • Bung0

      Since nobody every said that, did you simply make up this straw man nonsense or just blatantly lie?

      • Jeeves Seveej

        No actually it was said, and I posted a response to the person that said it also. Why don’t you get more personal. You’re not at all showing your troll face.

        • Bung0

          OK, are you friggin nuts? Not one comment in this huge thread says you can get a Model S for $30k or anywhere near. However, several people have mentioned the upcoming Model E which is purported to be $30k before any incentives. How did you confuse the two? And how is my pointing our your confusion somehow trollish?

        • Bung0

          Still waiting.

        • Bung0

          I guess it’s best you vaporized into the ether. You were digging your fool-hole so deep it was kind of sad to watch.

  • homeofthebrave

    The unspoken issue is that the batteries wear out before the useful life of the vehicle. This alone will render battery powered vehicles a bad financial investment, but also an environmental issue. My Ford hybrid went to the junkyard due to $10K battery replacement rendering it financially-unviable to fix. The Ford dealer responded that he won’t let his own people buy hybrids. Batteries wear out at 100K cycles….a dead end. Figure your financial analysis on this basis.

    • Bung0

      Unspoken? Not in the slightest. That’s why Elon has an 8 mile, unlimited miles battery warranty. And I’ve seen plenty of ICE’s need a decent engine overhaul after 8-10 years of service. $4k for a big valve job? Not uncommon and probably on the low end. And that’s today. As for tomorrow, read on…

      Your environmental claim: since the batteries are literally 100% recyclable and coveted by the manufacturers, what are you talking about? And of course for anyone who take 2 seconds to Google before typing, they’ll find the fast maturing market for repurposed EV batteries for renewable energy storage. See, just because the battery may have lost 50% of it’s drivable capacity, it still possesses many years of usefulness as a storage system for renewables.

      Economics: we’ve already seen the price of EV batteries take a steep dive. As the market is only growing in leaps and bounds, economies of scale dictate that the decline will continue, and at a precipitous rate especially once the Giga Factory comes online. In 8 years, an 85kWh battery will cost pennies on today’s dollar, if it is even available. That’s because I bet there will be 100+kWh batteries of the same size and weight due to the advancement in energy density, and still pennies on today’s dollar. There will also be plenty of after-market suppliers/refurbishers just like there are today for all your personal electronics batteries.

      As for your Ford hybrid claim, I call straight up BS. What model and year was it? Come on, let’s have the details because I know you made that crap up. Liar.

      What I can’t understand is people like you. People who take the time to type this instantly debunked nonsense. Really, you can only be either severely intellectually stunted, or a shill that has some stake in EVs not doing well. There’s just not another option. Which are you?

      • homeofthebrave

        8 mile unlimited battery warranty? Surely you misstype as well as you mistake. $10K replacement cost of batteries on the ’06 Ford Hybrid Escape, rendering this an unviable, (hugely negative ROI) repair. The aftermarket battery replacements were of the same order. This a a real case, more valuable in intelligent debate than generalization and projection, as you’ve so chosen. The Ford dealer explaining that he won’t allow his employees to buy hybrids is strong evidence of the extent of the issue. The ROI for re-purposing used batteries is also too low (<15%)… 50% capability doesn't justify the capital expense to integrate…Chevy Volt representative was cut down on this point at a conference, admitted that they'd never done the actual calculation, and worse yet, never even contacted potential customers for their used batteries. Investing on the basis of wild-eyed claims of price reductions doesn't cut it for anyone accomplished in business.

        Google this: Why Advanced Lithium Ion Batteries Won't Be Recycled

        Consider further- The $4k overhaul renders the gas engine vehicle ready for many more miles-job complete. The hybrid also has an engine which may as well need repair as the batteries see the end of useful life.

        If you want your opinion respected, present data, and act respectable.

        • Bung0

          Yep, typo. I meant 8-year.

          Look what 2 seconds of Google done found me:

          http://tinyurl.com/kahhcj7

          Looks like your dealer has pegged you for the fool that I believe you are. Good for them I say! As for him “not allowing” anything is preposterous, legally speaking, so you’re just full of crap and you know it.

          And are you just daft or what? Already the price per kWh has plummeted, that’s just simple fact. And economy of scale is not some wide-eyed guess, it’s fact as well. My god, man, are you really arguing this point? If so, that Ford dealer has him a pot of gold in you. Tell you what, if you’re so convinced of this utter ridiculousness, why not short Tesla stock? Put your money where your mouth is, seems like a sure thing boss!

          Why they won’t be recycled? Do you also fall for the nonsense you find online about alien conspiracies and chem trails? The simple fact is that they already are basically 100% recycled. It. Is. Already. Happening. And the market for energy storage after useful driving life is Already. Happening. If Toyota, Honda, Ford, or GM has to replace a battery, they require the owner sign over the old one to them. Why? Because there is great value in it for them. All of this is easily found, just like the cheap replacement pack I found for you, with 2 friggin seconds of Google. #facepalm

          • homeofthebrave

            I’m just looking some intelligent debate here. Incomplete, simple generalizations don’t equate to complete work. Firstly, most shops wouldn’t work on my hybrid, requiring the job to go to the dealer. The dealer won’t install non-Ford parts (warranty violation). Secondly the cost as you are (hopefully) well aware includes the labor. The TOTAL bill was quoted at $10K. And, one of simple mind….how could you possibly have knowledge of the dealer said to me about his directive to his employees (not to buy hybrids)?

            On the battery reclamation read the link I sent as it has exact figures on why this is profitable, viable. Facts, not generalizations will win you respect.

          • Bung0

            I just found 4 shops in my area that will replace any hybrid battery from any manufacturer. 2 seconds of Google. And either you are lying, or you are the fool that your dealer knows you are. Dealerships indeed are allowed to install aftermarket replacement parts, I’ve done it many times with parts large and small. And any dealer who actually tried to prohibit his employees from purchasing hybrids would be sued into oblivion, lose his franchise, and be the laughing stock of the internet for a spell. So again…BS.

            And I’ll just leave this here: http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/what-happens-to-ev-and-hybrid-batteries.html

            Bit of advice: stop digging in your heels and being a kook. You’ll have to look at yourself in the mirror soon and feel shame for your irrationality, lies, and nonsense.

            P.S.: replacing the battery on your Escape takes a qualified shop less than 1-hour of labor. But hey, $10k! Sounds like a bargain! #lolatthesucker

          • homeofthebrave

            Good name for yourself…bungo! Your edmunds link doesn’t work, same as your generalizations. Again, bad and incomplete work (incomplete quote), simplification. Nobody but the dealer would do the work in my area, but I wouldn’t (and couldn’t) drive to your area to get it down, certainly would trust your advice.

          • Bung0

            Umn, the link works just fine. Good luck, ‘lil bub! You’re gonna need it. But hey, I wouldn’t want to take food off your mythical Ford dealer’s dinner table!

          • Bung0

            I see you never got that link to work? Here’s the trick: point&click.

            Now here’s another one that just came along today, again just point&click.

            http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/01/20150131-solidenergy.html

          • Bung0

            And yet another link for you to puzzle over how to access:

            http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/02/20150204-bosch.html

            The hits just keep on coming. Yes, I know I’m poking at your gaping wound of willful ignorance and outright stupidity, but it’s just too delicious.

          • Bung0

            Aaaand…another. And a doozy to boot:

            http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/02/20150219-volvo.html

            (just point&click)

  • Ron

    Which is the better car? The one that enables me to go 700 miles in a day. The one I can commute from Birmingham to Atlanta and back in a day with. The one I can drive for years on the difference in price. The one that doesn’t cost a trunk full of money to replace and recycle a battery that does more damage to the environment every few years. I could go on. The decision is easy.

    • Bung0

      Darwin & free-market at work. Knock yourself out ‘lil bub!

    • grendal

      If it is ONLY about the money then you should be buying a used economy car. Something with little power and great mileage. As long as you keep it tuned up and oiled properly then it should be pretty reasonable in the toxic emissions it produces. If you are arguing for owning a Hellcat then you are using the wrong argument. That is a unpractical car built to do what you see in the video, race in a straight line.

  • MrInterpid

    Electric car goes real fast for forty or so miles and then sits dead still for twelve hours while it’s batteries recharge. Oh yeah, costs somewhere north of eight thousand. Oh, and the expensive batteries that pollute the environment need replaced like every three years or so. Electric car of the future, NOT.

    • Bung0

      I guess numbRz are not your strong point either. Did your care giver forget to shut off your computer before she left? Or are you in the elementary school library?

  • MrInterpid

    Electric cars get their recharge electricity from the power grid which is sustained by good old COAL. No pollution on the road where the car is but more out of the smokestacks at the coal fired generating station. Maybe you should burn the coal directly and run a steam car and then you could stop for both water and coal instead of just stopping to plug in overnight. It only takes five minutes to refuel a gasoline powered vehicle at infrastructure that is in place (stations everywhere) and daily reliable. Without massive government subsidies these toys wouldn’t be owner by anyone.

    • Bung0

      Again, utterly deluded. Plenty of LCA’s showing the full impact of EVs based on power mix. But you can’t be bothered with facts and science-ie brainiac kinda stuffz, right? Naa, that stuffz a waste of timez.

  • MrInterpid

    Solar and wind are nothing more than a fantasy at this time:
    Let me see, NO electricity from solar when the sun doesn’t shine.
    Hmmm, NO electricity from wind when the wind doesn’t blow.
    Worst of all, there is still NO practical way to store electricity, batteries are not storage they are electrical creation from chemisty.
    Power transmission from source to use gets exponentially higher the greater the distance between the two. NO practical solution to this problem yet. (maybe super conductors, someday).
    Oh yeah, google the number of acres of solar panels required to power even a small to medium size city. How many states do you want to cover?
    Sorry to all you earth worshipers, but these these technologies are just not practical.
    Thank God for good old fossil fuels.

    • Bung0

      So comically deluded, I love it! You keep on grunting and spitting from behind your internet cage, the world cares nothing for you and continues on. Renewables continue to grow at an almost exponential pace. And you will die cold, alone, and nobody will remember you the next day. Good luck!

  • People seriously need to chill out. There’s entirely too much anger in this thread over a drag race.

    The Hellcat was handicapped by its driver, true. Driven properly, it would probably win. … But the fact that ANY electric car can be nearly as fast as the Hellcat in a quarter-mile run is impressive for the Tesla.

    As for the question about “which is the better car; the one that takes tremendous skill to drive fast, or the one that takes almost no skill at all?” frankly the answer is that I’d prefer only skilled drivers at the wheel of any fast car, no matter the car.

  • Ben

    Well one thing for sure no one can argue with is the fact that gasoline engine only uses 30% of there energy produce to actualy make the car go forward play your radio put your AC ON. The rest 70% of the energy produced is just plain loss into heat and friction. Also has to be at a certain RPM range to have there rated torq

    Well builded electric motor are 99.9% efficenty. And is 100% torq @ 0 rpm

    Put in the Research and development invest for 100 years in a useless gaz engine car put that in electric. and its GG.

    Well builded electric car will never be beated in a drag race by any damn gaz engine car only by the fact that gaz engine use only 30% of the energy they made and has to be in a RPM range to have there full torque and the electric motor convert 99.9% of there energy to make the car actualy go forwar and has a 100% torque @ 0 RPM. Its just a question of time before electric is everwhere. Keep gazoline for my 450 lb 175 hp 2stroke sled i cant afford to have this thing weight 1000 lb+ for the batteries, would be way to hard to handle.

  • Tom News

  • Bung0

    Suck it down! So…. which car you want when the weather turns inclement? Well, if you’re not a suicidal adolescent, or have the intellect of one, that is. http://www.klikk.no/motor/bil/article1527288.ece

  • Dan Lindner

    Are you shitting me? The driver of the Dodge is an total fucking moron. Not a valid race in the slightest.

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