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Published on September 25th, 2012 | by Christopher DeMorro

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Nissan Responds To Leaf Owners Battery Woes

Last weekend, a group of Arizona Nissan Leaf owners conducted a trial to see how much range their pure electric vehicles had lost in the desert heat. Their conclusion? The battery loss was more rapid than Nissan led them to believe, undercutting earlier claims that the gauge cluster was wrong.

Well Nissan has finally stepped up with a real answer…that the batteries are deteriorating. But don’t worry, it is all a part of the plan!

According to an open letter from Nissan to Leaf owners, engineers found that the lower-than-normal battery levels relate to 1) higher-than-average mileage and 2) “unique” usage that includes high miles in high heat. I have posted the entire message at the bottom of the post for you to read over.

That is hardly reassuring to Arizona Leaf owners, many of whom tried trading in or selling their cars only to be rebuffed by local Nissan dealerships. Some owners were reportedly offered just $14,000 for their used Leaf EVs, less than half the after-rebate cost. Talk about salt in the wound.

For those Leaf owners who have seen their range drop by as much as one-third (from around 90 miles fully charged to less than 60), this is no consolation. Nissan goes on to insist that based on their own internal calculations, the 450 or so Arizona Leaf owners will still have about 76% of their battery capacity on hand after 5 years, even though some drivers are already well past that mark. It is also fair for Nissan to say that ALL battery packs experience loss over time. This is true. That said, when the battery is the sole means of motivation for an automobile, it damn well better last a long, long time. This does not bode well for Nissan’s other attempts at electric vehicles worldwide.

Suffice to say, this is bad news for Nissan and early adopters of the Leaf. Some owners have even gone so far as to say they cannot recommend a Leaf to others until this issue is remedied. The matter isn’t helped by the fact that the Leaf already offers such a limited range, that any loss can have a profound effect on the EV’s usability.  Even with the 8-year/100,000 mile battery warranty, it seems like many Leaf owners are already giving up on their car…at least in Arizona. Also, Nissan may have left itself an out, as the warranty can be invalidated if the battery is regularly exposed to ambient temperatures in excess of 120 F.

If I was a Leaf owner, I’d personally be livid. Then again, you kinda had to expect something like this from a first-of-its-kind vehicle. More salt for your flesh wound?

Source: My Nissan Leaf | Plug-In Cars

OPEN LETTER TO THE LEAF COMMUNITY
From Carla Bailo

Happy eve of National Plug In Day. We’re excited that Nissan LEAF owners are gathering nationally tomorrow to celebrate zero-emission motoring, and appreciate that so many of you are sharing your enthusiasm with others. You are truly our best ambassadors to the next generation of passionate EV drivers. 

We also want to update you, the LEAF community, on our findings regarding battery capacity loss concerns expressed by a number of owners in the Phoenix market. Nissan takes customer concerns seriously, and we know many of you have been interested to hear what we’ve learned in our thorough investigation, and what it all means. 

We identified seven LEAF owners in the Phoenix area who had reported concerns with their vehicles. With their agreement we brought the cars to Nissan’s Arizona test facility, where we removed the batteries for evaluation, measured capacity, and conducted voltage testing on individual battery cells. These tests were diagnostic only; no modifications were performed to the battery packs themselves.

After returning cars to their owners, we analyzed the results of our tests, with specific emphasis on the rate of actual capacity loss for each vehicle. Our goals were simple: to determine 1) if there were any defects in materials or workmanship in the individual batteries or vehicle systems; 2) if the batteries were performing to specification; and 3)their performance relative to the global LEAF population.

This week, we will meet with these LEAF owners to share our findings on their individual vehicles. In the mean time, we can report the following overall findings:

• The Nissan LEAFs inspected in Arizona are operating to specification and their battery capacity loss over time is consistent with their usage and operating environment. No battery defects were found. 
• A small number of Nissan LEAF owners in Arizona are experiencing a greater than average battery capacity loss due to their unique usage cycle, which includes operating mileages that are higher than average in a high-temperature environment over a short period of time. 

While we understand that some LEAF owners are concerned about battery capacity loss, we want all owners to remember that all battery-electric vehicles – and all lithium-ion batteries – demonstrate capacity loss over time. So while your LEAF may have been able to travel a certain distance or more on a charge when new, its range will decrease as the battery ages, miles accumulate and gradual capacity loss occurs. This loss in capacity will occur most rapidly in the early part of your battery’s life, but the rate should decrease over time. Information on gradual battery capacity loss is available in the paperwork that was delivered with your vehicle, in the owner’s manual and on the many vehicle resources available at http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/

It is also important to put the scope of these concerns in perspective. Globally, there are more than 38,000 Nissan LEAFs on the road that have travelled more than 100 million zero-emission miles, and we expect these vehicles, in normal operating conditions, to retain 80 percent of battery capacity after five years. As each user’s operating characteristics are unique and many factors impact battery capacity, we can expect some vehicles to have greater than 80 percent capacity at five years, and some vehicles to have less. In Arizona, we have approximately 450 LEAFs on the road. Based on actual vehicle data, we project the average vehicle in that market to have battery capacity of 76 percent after five years – or a few percentage points lower than the global estimate. Some vehicles in Arizona will be above this average, and some below. Factors that may account for this differential include extreme heat, high speed, high annual mileage and charging method and frequency of the Nissan LEAFs in the Phoenix market. 

We at Nissan stand by our product, and we also stand by our customers. Recently, we’ve asked Chelsea Sexton, a passionate advanced technology advocate, to convene an independent global advisory board. Members would be selected by Chelsea, not Nissan, and they would recommend their own mandate, but our hope is that they would hold up a mirror to us and help us to be more open and approachable in our communication and to advise us on our strategy. We should have more information on the advisory board in a few weeks.

As we work with individual owners to ensure their satisfaction, we are appreciative of your continued support of both the Nissan LEAF and the electric vehicle movement, overall. We look forward to continuing our dialogue here in the MyNissanLEAF forum and within the Nissan LEAF community. 

Best Regards,
Carla Bailo
Senior Vice President, Research & Development – Nissan Americas



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  • http://MrEnergyCzar.com MrEnergyCzar

    and when the leaves are getting 55% after just 4 years Nissan will be in a deeper PR whole….I guess they are gambling billions to save a few million by not offering what the Volt did when there was that battery fire hype, buy backs……I don’t think they realize EV owners in general are a highly educated and influencial group…

    MrEnergyCzar

  • jpwhitehome

    Regardless if there is a battery problem or not, the results of the independent range tests conducted by owners shows there is a vehicle problem. Call it what you want, something is wrong with these vehicles in Arizona and other hot spots.

  • RYonza

    I asked Mark Perry about the battery warrantee at Plug-in 2012 and he stated that Nissan warrantees battery performance, i.e. power and not energy capacity. So as long as the battery power output meets their criteria they are off the hook even if you can only travel 10 km. somehow I don’t think that this will pan out for them. I’m long EV’s, but I sold my Nissan shares today.

  • http://twitter.com/EV_Pilot John Noble (@EV_Pilot)

    Living in Phx, only owned for 10 months and down bars… 5 stars on all my battery treatment reports… this is nuts! I have treated my car perfectly but
    Nissan has treated me horribly thus far. Much worse than the news
    reports!

    Why does Nissan celebrate temperate region owners for 40K miles in one year, but throw AZ owners with 20K miles under the bus?

    Shameful Nissan, no class. I would expect omission of facts and bold faced lies from a used car dealer, but not a top manufacture! I have owned 3 Nissans, but never again after the past few months of Nissan being impotent and cold. Come pick up my car Nissan!

    P.S. Thank you Christopher DeMorro for standing with us Arizona Leaf owners on this issue!

    • Christopher DeMorro

      @ John Noble

      I just call it how I see it, and if it was me making monthly payments on a Leaf, I’d be pretty pissed off with Nissan. They’ve always been my favorite non-American car maker, I don’t bother to hide my biases, but I think they are really screwing the pooch here.

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  • Will Helbich

    Quote from Nissan ..”38,000 Nissan LEAFs on the road that have travelled more than 100 million zero-emission miles”- Wow !! that comes out to an average of 2,632 miles per vehicle. not even a decent break-in period.
    Ghosn better take care of this mess quickly or the company will end up like Research in Motion.

  • Francis

    I don’t understand the big zero emissions lie.Most electricity used on this planet is generated by fossil fuels and nuclear power plants.Do some people think this electricity is generated by the red spot on Jupiter and delivered here by Santa Clause and his reindeer every Christmas?

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