Comments on: Is the Prius Broken? What are Toyota's Quality Woes Really All About? http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Nick Chambers http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-13776 Nick Chambers Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:48:20 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-13776 Ken, Two things: 1) Your argument makes no sense. You show a clear disregard for rational analysis. "I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships." Back up your argument with some actual facts please. I've never heard this from anybody, ever. You say it was "probably the largest engine recall in automotive history" yet in the next sentence you say there was never a recall. Does that truly make sense to you beyond being complete gibberish? Seriously. 2) A reporter with the kind of time you suggest I have to follow up on leads like the ridiculous one you're providing me get paid a lot more money than I do and don't work other jobs. The reality in this world of lowered journalism salaries is that there is no one left to follow up on those leads because people want all of their news for free. If you want reporters to spend the kinds of time you suggest they spend, then you better be willing to start paying for your news again. You and millions of others. If not, then you'll have to settle with "bad reporters." It's called blogging. Ken,

Two things:

1) Your argument makes no sense. You show a clear disregard for rational analysis. “I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships.” Back up your argument with some actual facts please. I’ve never heard this from anybody, ever. You say it was “probably the largest engine recall in automotive history” yet in the next sentence you say there was never a recall. Does that truly make sense to you beyond being complete gibberish? Seriously.

2) A reporter with the kind of time you suggest I have to follow up on leads like the ridiculous one you’re providing me get paid a lot more money than I do and don’t work other jobs. The reality in this world of lowered journalism salaries is that there is no one left to follow up on those leads because people want all of their news for free. If you want reporters to spend the kinds of time you suggest they spend, then you better be willing to start paying for your news again. You and millions of others. If not, then you’ll have to settle with “bad reporters.” It’s called blogging.

]]> By: Nick Chambers http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-37550 Nick Chambers Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:48:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-37550 Ken, Two things: 1) Your argument makes no sense. You show a clear disregard for rational analysis. "I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships." Back up your argument with some actual facts please. I've never heard this from anybody, ever. You say it was "probably the largest engine recall in automotive history" yet in the next sentence you say there was never a recall. Does that truly make sense to you beyond being complete gibberish? Seriously. 2) A reporter with the kind of time you suggest I have to follow up on leads like the ridiculous one you're providing me get paid a lot more money than I do and don't work other jobs. The reality in this world of lowered journalism salaries is that there is no one left to follow up on those leads because people want all of their news for free. If you want reporters to spend the kinds of time you suggest they spend, then you better be willing to start paying for your news again. You and millions of others. If not, then you'll have to settle with "bad reporters." It's called blogging. Ken,

Two things:

1) Your argument makes no sense. You show a clear disregard for rational analysis. “I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships.” Back up your argument with some actual facts please. I’ve never heard this from anybody, ever. You say it was “probably the largest engine recall in automotive history” yet in the next sentence you say there was never a recall. Does that truly make sense to you beyond being complete gibberish? Seriously.

2) A reporter with the kind of time you suggest I have to follow up on leads like the ridiculous one you’re providing me get paid a lot more money than I do and don’t work other jobs. The reality in this world of lowered journalism salaries is that there is no one left to follow up on those leads because people want all of their news for free. If you want reporters to spend the kinds of time you suggest they spend, then you better be willing to start paying for your news again. You and millions of others. If not, then you’ll have to settle with “bad reporters.” It’s called blogging.

]]> By: Ken http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-13775 Ken Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:35:29 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-13775 Based on your comments, you show a surprising lack of Toyota historical knowledge. Toyota presided over what was probably the largest engine recall in automotive history ... that would be the 3.0 sohc v6 as found in 4Runner's, T-100's, early camry's, SR5's et. al. I don't believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships. They were waiting for rebuilds ranging from heads only to complete rebuilds. The heads were defective. A good reporter would have done some actual research. Those of us who paid attention could have told you 18 years ago that this would happen ... and no Toyota management weren't surprised, they just got caught, doing what they have done for years ... conceal quality/safety flaws. Based on your comments, you show a surprising lack of Toyota historical knowledge. Toyota presided over what was probably the largest engine recall in automotive history … that would be the 3.0 sohc v6 as found in 4Runner’s, T-100′s, early camry’s, SR5′s et. al. I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships. They were waiting for rebuilds ranging from heads only to complete rebuilds. The heads were defective. A good reporter would have done some actual research. Those of us who paid attention could have told you 18 years ago that this would happen … and no Toyota management weren’t surprised, they just got caught, doing what they have done for years … conceal quality/safety flaws.

]]> By: Ken http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-37549 Ken Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:35:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-37549 Based on your comments, you show a surprising lack of Toyota historical knowledge. Toyota presided over what was probably the largest engine recall in automotive history ... that would be the 3.0 sohc v6 as found in 4Runner's, T-100's, early camry's, SR5's et. al. I don't believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships. They were waiting for rebuilds ranging from heads only to complete rebuilds. The heads were defective. A good reporter would have done some actual research. Those of us who paid attention could have told you 18 years ago that this would happen ... and no Toyota management weren't surprised, they just got caught, doing what they have done for years ... conceal quality/safety flaws. Based on your comments, you show a surprising lack of Toyota historical knowledge. Toyota presided over what was probably the largest engine recall in automotive history … that would be the 3.0 sohc v6 as found in 4Runner’s, T-100′s, early camry’s, SR5′s et. al. I don’t believe there was ever an official recall, but for years, you could find these vehicles stacked up the back of dealerships. They were waiting for rebuilds ranging from heads only to complete rebuilds. The heads were defective. A good reporter would have done some actual research. Those of us who paid attention could have told you 18 years ago that this would happen … and no Toyota management weren’t surprised, they just got caught, doing what they have done for years … conceal quality/safety flaws.

]]> By: jogartrago http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-13774 jogartrago Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:40:53 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-13774 Given the reliability of most autos these days it makes economic sense to buy a low-mileage 2 or 3 year old used car. Toyota dealers and most used car dealers are going to take a hit on Toyotas in their inventory for the likelihood of these used cars to undergo the repairs needed to make them safe is remote. Given the reliability of most autos these days it makes economic sense to buy a low-mileage 2 or 3 year old used car. Toyota dealers and most used car dealers are going to take a hit on Toyotas in their inventory for the likelihood of these used cars to undergo the repairs needed to make them safe is remote.

]]> By: jogartrago http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-37548 jogartrago Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:40:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-37548 Given the reliability of most autos these days it makes economic sense to buy a low-mileage 2 or 3 year old used car. Toyota dealers and most used car dealers are going to take a hit on Toyotas in their inventory for the likelihood of these used cars to undergo the repairs needed to make them safe is remote. Given the reliability of most autos these days it makes economic sense to buy a low-mileage 2 or 3 year old used car. Toyota dealers and most used car dealers are going to take a hit on Toyotas in their inventory for the likelihood of these used cars to undergo the repairs needed to make them safe is remote.

]]> By: Christopher DeMorro http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-13773 Christopher DeMorro Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:51:32 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-13773 I have a simple solution to this mess. Unintended acceleration? Shift the car to neutral. Should the car accelerate on its own? Hell no. But all this media attention is unnecessary. I'm not even a big Toyota fan and I can see they are getting raked over the coals here. I have a simple solution to this mess.

Unintended acceleration? Shift the car to neutral.

Should the car accelerate on its own? Hell no. But all this media attention is unnecessary. I’m not even a big Toyota fan and I can see they are getting raked over the coals here.

]]> By: Christopher DeMorro http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-37547 Christopher DeMorro Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:51:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-37547 I have a simple solution to this mess. Unintended acceleration? Shift the car to neutral. Should the car accelerate on its own? Hell no. But all this media attention is unnecessary. I'm not even a big Toyota fan and I can see they are getting raked over the coals here. I have a simple solution to this mess.

Unintended acceleration? Shift the car to neutral.

Should the car accelerate on its own? Hell no. But all this media attention is unnecessary. I’m not even a big Toyota fan and I can see they are getting raked over the coals here.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-13772 Tim Cleland Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:17:35 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-13772 "But I feel I am driving a computer, and computers in my experience are not always reliable." Something that bothers me about this gas pedal "fix" that Toyota is touting, is that when you listen to the stories of the "incidents", the fix doesn't fit. Most of the accounts I've heard relate something to the effect of, "the car suddenly accelerated"...i.e. not "kept on accelerating" or "the engine wouldn't come down to idle" which would be what a stuck gas pedal would cause. “But I feel I am driving a computer, and computers in my experience are not always reliable.”

Something that bothers me about this gas pedal “fix” that Toyota is touting, is that when you listen to the stories of the “incidents”, the fix doesn’t fit.

Most of the accounts I’ve heard relate something to the effect of, “the car suddenly accelerated”…i.e. not “kept on accelerating” or “the engine wouldn’t come down to idle” which would be what a stuck gas pedal would cause.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2010/02/06/is-the-prius-broken-what-are-toyotas-quality-woes-really-all-about/#comment-37546 Tim Cleland Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:17:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4742#comment-37546 "But I feel I am driving a computer, and computers in my experience are not always reliable." Something that bothers me about this gas pedal "fix" that Toyota is touting, is that when you listen to the stories of the "incidents", the fix doesn't fit. Most of the accounts I've heard relate something to the effect of, "the car suddenly accelerated"...i.e. not "kept on accelerating" or "the engine wouldn't come down to idle" which would be what a stuck gas pedal would cause. “But I feel I am driving a computer, and computers in my experience are not always reliable.”

Something that bothers me about this gas pedal “fix” that Toyota is touting, is that when you listen to the stories of the “incidents”, the fix doesn’t fit.

Most of the accounts I’ve heard relate something to the effect of, “the car suddenly accelerated”…i.e. not “kept on accelerating” or “the engine wouldn’t come down to idle” which would be what a stuck gas pedal would cause.

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