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	<title>Comments on: Concerned Scientist Group Says Many Hybrids Aren&#039;t a Good Value</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Cleland</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-13706</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:



1) Toyota Prius:  It&#039;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,

the price mark-ups aren&#039;t as bad as they once were.



2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.



3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):

The first full-sized hybrid truck...and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#039;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.

The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#039;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.



Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#039;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:</p>
<p>1) Toyota Prius:  It&#8217;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,</p>
<p>the price mark-ups aren&#8217;t as bad as they once were.</p>
<p>2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.</p>
<p>3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):</p>
<p>The first full-sized hybrid truck&#8230;and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#8217;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.</p>
<p>The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#8217;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.</p>
<p>Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#8217;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cleland</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-37497</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:



1) Toyota Prius:  It&#039;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,

the price mark-ups aren&#039;t as bad as they once were.



2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.



3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):

The first full-sized hybrid truck...and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#039;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.

The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#039;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.



Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#039;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:</p>
<p>1) Toyota Prius:  It&#8217;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,</p>
<p>the price mark-ups aren&#8217;t as bad as they once were.</p>
<p>2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.</p>
<p>3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):</p>
<p>The first full-sized hybrid truck&#8230;and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#8217;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.</p>
<p>The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#8217;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.</p>
<p>Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#8217;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cleland</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-37498</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:



1) Toyota Prius:  It&#039;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,

the price mark-ups aren&#039;t as bad as they once were.



2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.



3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):

The first full-sized hybrid truck...and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#039;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.

The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#039;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.



Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#039;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat useful.  In my opinion, the only hybrids that have made any market sense are:</p>
<p>1) Toyota Prius:  It&#8217;s the only reasonably-sized family four-door that gets almost Geo-Metro fuel economy.  Now that the novelty has worn off a bit,</p>
<p>the price mark-ups aren&#8217;t as bad as they once were.</p>
<p>2) Ford Escape Hybrid:  It was the first small 4WD SUV that got 33 mpg city and 30 mpg highway (2WD got 36/31, respectively).  More space than a Prius and 4WD for those in snow-belt areas.</p>
<p>3) Chevy Tahoe/Silverado Hybrid (and GMC equiv.):</p>
<p>The first full-sized hybrid truck&#8230;and they can be used as trucks (6100 lb. towing capacity).  When not towing, it will return 21/22 mpg.  The hybridcenter&#8217;s penalty for the large engine is a bit misplaced here.</p>
<p>The 6.0L has active-fuel-management (i.e. displacement on demand) so, with the help of the electric engine, it will be in 4-cyl mode and be essentially a 3.0L if you&#8217;re easy on the pedal.  My guess is that it would return 25 mpg to a trained driver on the highway.</p>
<p>Honorable mention goes to the original Honda Insight for being the ultra-mpg machine (I&#8217;ve heard of people getting 100+ mpg with manual transmission).  Unfortunately, the market for high-priced non-sports-car two seaters is very limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-13705</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-37495</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2010/02/01/concerned-scientist-group-says-many-hybrids-arent-a-good-value/#comment-37496</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick makes a good point. When prices and features are comparable to petrol cars they will be good value.</p>
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