Comments on: Detroit: From Motor City To Urban Farm? http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Wendy http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-20694 Wendy Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:56:31 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-20694 I am shocked!!! The worlds most 'patriotic' country... Patriotic my ASS!!! I realy cannot believe that you could all be so pessimistic! This is ONE man trying to make a diffrence. Why is it only ONE? Where are the rest of them? Why should it an entire country turn its back and say 'its not my problem'? That is exactly what has been said here... You are saying that Detroit is a run down slum... Its sad really...that you have got so little faith in someone trying to make a future for generations to come. And before anyone tries the 'what would you know' line on me... I would know a lot. I am in South Africa, I happened across this article and you know what, America NEEDS more people like this! John Hantz isn't doing this for himself! Someone asked 'have you seen Detroit'. Well, have YOU seen Bishop Lavis? Have you seen Lavender Hill? We may not have as many states or be as big as the US, but, we sure do have our slums... How about you stop complaining and SUPPORT the change..? Unless of course, you don't have the guts to do it... I am shocked!!! The worlds most ‘patriotic’ country… Patriotic my ASS!!!
I realy cannot believe that you could all be so pessimistic! This is ONE man trying to make a diffrence. Why is it only ONE? Where are the rest of them? Why should it an entire country turn its back and say ‘its not my problem’? That is exactly what has been said here… You are saying that Detroit is a run down slum…
Its sad really…that you have got so little faith in someone trying to make a future for generations to come.
And before anyone tries the ‘what would you know’ line on me… I would know a lot. I am in South Africa, I happened across this article and you know what, America NEEDS more people like this! John Hantz isn’t doing this for himself! Someone asked ‘have you seen Detroit’. Well, have YOU seen Bishop Lavis? Have you seen Lavender Hill? We may not have as many states or be as big as the US, but, we sure do have our slums… How about you stop complaining and SUPPORT the change..? Unless of course, you don’t have the guts to do it…

]]> By: Chiburbian http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-14348 Chiburbian Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:11:07 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-14348 I think the idea is great in theory, but what we should be looking towards is "permaculture" not the same old ways of doing things. Look up "Greening the Desert" and Jules Dervaes' "Homegrown revolution" on you-tube. Yes Jules is a bit hippy'ish, but the concepts are sound and its inspirational. I think the idea is great in theory, but what we should be looking towards is “permaculture” not the same old ways of doing things. Look up “Greening the Desert” and Jules Dervaes’ “Homegrown revolution” on you-tube.

Yes Jules is a bit hippy’ish, but the concepts are sound and its inspirational.

]]> By: Chiburbian http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-37388 Chiburbian Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:11:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-37388 I think the idea is great in theory, but what we should be looking towards is "permaculture" not the same old ways of doing things. Look up "Greening the Desert" and Jules Dervaes' "Homegrown revolution" on you-tube. Yes Jules is a bit hippy'ish, but the concepts are sound and its inspirational. I think the idea is great in theory, but what we should be looking towards is “permaculture” not the same old ways of doing things. Look up “Greening the Desert” and Jules Dervaes’ “Homegrown revolution” on you-tube.

Yes Jules is a bit hippy’ish, but the concepts are sound and its inspirational.

]]> By: Subotai Bahadur http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-14347 Subotai Bahadur Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:55:02 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-14347 In the discussion above, there is the question as to who the owners of the property are. I do suspect that many of those lots are property of the government due to tax liens. When people bail on property it eventually can end up seized by the government. So that would take care of that problem in theory. But there is another problem with it being owned by the Detroit government. The problem is that it is owned by the Detroit government. I do not know the ancestry of Mr. Hantz, but I suspect that it is not black. Nor, I suspect, will be most of the wanna-be farmers. I have seen the Detroit City Council turn down hundreds of millions of free dollars being brought in to redevelop part of downtown; because they got it into their heads that it would benefit whites because the skilled trades needed to build the buildings would largely be white. And they were downright nasty about it. The Detroit City Council would rather the whole city be abandoned rather than do anything that could be conceived of benefiting whites, even if it at the same time brought jobs in for blacks. Such is the nature of the beast. You are not going to get any cooperation from the Detroit city government in this matter, making it moot. Then, there is the matter of the two-legged predators. In the old West, if you defended your homestead from outlaws, you were in the clear. Today, if you defend yourself; aside from the fact that the police will not protect you from the predators, they will arrest you if you do defend yourself. Even if they do not go for the farmer themselves, how long do you think that the farm itself will avoid being vandalized and destroyed? Detroit is a failed city. It is dying. And things will have no chance of getting better until after it has been dead for a safe interval of time and someone can come in and start from scratch. Subotai Bahadur In the discussion above, there is the question as to who the owners of the property are. I do suspect that many of those lots are property of the government due to tax liens. When people bail on property it eventually can end up seized by the government. So that would take care of that problem in theory.

But there is another problem with it being owned by the Detroit government. The problem is that it is owned by the Detroit government. I do not know the ancestry of Mr. Hantz, but I suspect that it is not black. Nor, I suspect, will be most of the wanna-be farmers. I have seen the Detroit City Council turn down hundreds of millions of free dollars being brought in to redevelop part of downtown; because they got it into their heads that it would benefit whites because the skilled trades needed to build the buildings would largely be white. And they were downright nasty about it. The Detroit City Council would rather the whole city be abandoned rather than do anything that could be conceived of benefiting whites, even if it at the same time brought jobs in for blacks. Such is the nature of the beast. You are not going to get any cooperation from the Detroit city government in this matter, making it moot.

Then, there is the matter of the two-legged predators. In the old West, if you defended your homestead from outlaws, you were in the clear. Today, if you defend yourself; aside from the fact that the police will not protect you from the predators, they will arrest you if you do defend yourself.

Even if they do not go for the farmer themselves, how long do you think that the farm itself will avoid being vandalized and destroyed?

Detroit is a failed city. It is dying. And things will have no chance of getting better until after it has been dead for a safe interval of time and someone can come in and start from scratch.

Subotai Bahadur

]]> By: Subotai Bahadur http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-37387 Subotai Bahadur Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:55:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-37387 In the discussion above, there is the question as to who the owners of the property are. I do suspect that many of those lots are property of the government due to tax liens. When people bail on property it eventually can end up seized by the government. So that would take care of that problem in theory. But there is another problem with it being owned by the Detroit government. The problem is that it is owned by the Detroit government. I do not know the ancestry of Mr. Hantz, but I suspect that it is not black. Nor, I suspect, will be most of the wanna-be farmers. I have seen the Detroit City Council turn down hundreds of millions of free dollars being brought in to redevelop part of downtown; because they got it into their heads that it would benefit whites because the skilled trades needed to build the buildings would largely be white. And they were downright nasty about it. The Detroit City Council would rather the whole city be abandoned rather than do anything that could be conceived of benefiting whites, even if it at the same time brought jobs in for blacks. Such is the nature of the beast. You are not going to get any cooperation from the Detroit city government in this matter, making it moot. Then, there is the matter of the two-legged predators. In the old West, if you defended your homestead from outlaws, you were in the clear. Today, if you defend yourself; aside from the fact that the police will not protect you from the predators, they will arrest you if you do defend yourself. Even if they do not go for the farmer themselves, how long do you think that the farm itself will avoid being vandalized and destroyed? Detroit is a failed city. It is dying. And things will have no chance of getting better until after it has been dead for a safe interval of time and someone can come in and start from scratch. Subotai Bahadur In the discussion above, there is the question as to who the owners of the property are. I do suspect that many of those lots are property of the government due to tax liens. When people bail on property it eventually can end up seized by the government. So that would take care of that problem in theory.

But there is another problem with it being owned by the Detroit government. The problem is that it is owned by the Detroit government. I do not know the ancestry of Mr. Hantz, but I suspect that it is not black. Nor, I suspect, will be most of the wanna-be farmers. I have seen the Detroit City Council turn down hundreds of millions of free dollars being brought in to redevelop part of downtown; because they got it into their heads that it would benefit whites because the skilled trades needed to build the buildings would largely be white. And they were downright nasty about it. The Detroit City Council would rather the whole city be abandoned rather than do anything that could be conceived of benefiting whites, even if it at the same time brought jobs in for blacks. Such is the nature of the beast. You are not going to get any cooperation from the Detroit city government in this matter, making it moot.

Then, there is the matter of the two-legged predators. In the old West, if you defended your homestead from outlaws, you were in the clear. Today, if you defend yourself; aside from the fact that the police will not protect you from the predators, they will arrest you if you do defend yourself.

Even if they do not go for the farmer themselves, how long do you think that the farm itself will avoid being vandalized and destroyed?

Detroit is a failed city. It is dying. And things will have no chance of getting better until after it has been dead for a safe interval of time and someone can come in and start from scratch.

Subotai Bahadur

]]> By: el polacko http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-14346 el polacko Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:57:46 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-14346 is a short, blisteringly hot summer followed by a return to a deep-freeze the rest of the year really such a great environment for farming?? not to mention the contaminated soil, the extremely high crime rate, the lack of services ...have these folks ever actually SEEN detroit ?! is a short, blisteringly hot summer followed by a return to a deep-freeze the rest of the year really such a great environment for farming?? not to mention the contaminated soil, the extremely high crime rate, the lack of services …have these folks ever actually SEEN detroit ?!

]]> By: el polacko http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-37386 el polacko Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:57:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-37386 is a short, blisteringly hot summer followed by a return to a deep-freeze the rest of the year really such a great environment for farming?? not to mention the contaminated soil, the extremely high crime rate, the lack of services ...have these folks ever actually SEEN detroit ?! is a short, blisteringly hot summer followed by a return to a deep-freeze the rest of the year really such a great environment for farming?? not to mention the contaminated soil, the extremely high crime rate, the lack of services …have these folks ever actually SEEN detroit ?!

]]> By: KTWO http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-14345 KTWO Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:05:54 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-14345 The term Northwest came into use two centuries ago to designate the US territory North of the Ohio River and East of the Mississippi. It made sense then. Hence Northwestern University in Illinois. The Big 10 schools used to be called the Western Conference. That made sense if you viewed them from Haavard. It causes confusion now. So does "Midwest." In school I learned that was roughly Ohio to Wisconsin. That didn't seem to make sense then or now. I think there is no reason why Detroit will or should a big city. An orderly transition back to farmland, dairies, light industry, etc. is probably best for most of the land. The term Northwest came into use two centuries ago to designate the US territory North of the Ohio River and East of the Mississippi. It made sense then.

Hence Northwestern University in Illinois.

The Big 10 schools used to be called the Western Conference. That made sense if you viewed them from Haavard.

It causes confusion now. So does “Midwest.” In school I learned that was roughly Ohio to Wisconsin. That didn’t seem to make sense then or now.

I think there is no reason why Detroit will or should a big city. An orderly transition back to farmland, dairies, light industry, etc. is probably best for most of the land.

]]> By: KTWO http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-37385 KTWO Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:05:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-37385 The term Northwest came into use two centuries ago to designate the US territory North of the Ohio River and East of the Mississippi. It made sense then. Hence Northwestern University in Illinois. The Big 10 schools used to be called the Western Conference. That made sense if you viewed them from Haavard. It causes confusion now. So does "Midwest." In school I learned that was roughly Ohio to Wisconsin. That didn't seem to make sense then or now. I think there is no reason why Detroit will or should a big city. An orderly transition back to farmland, dairies, light industry, etc. is probably best for most of the land. The term Northwest came into use two centuries ago to designate the US territory North of the Ohio River and East of the Mississippi. It made sense then.

Hence Northwestern University in Illinois.

The Big 10 schools used to be called the Western Conference. That made sense if you viewed them from Haavard.

It causes confusion now. So does “Midwest.” In school I learned that was roughly Ohio to Wisconsin. That didn’t seem to make sense then or now.

I think there is no reason why Detroit will or should a big city. An orderly transition back to farmland, dairies, light industry, etc. is probably best for most of the land.

]]> By: Paul http://gas2.org/2010/01/22/detroit-from-motor-city-to-urban-farm/#comment-14344 Paul Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:07:57 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4549#comment-14344 Yeah, Detroit can make it farming. If they farm pot. Yeah, Detroit can make it farming. If they farm pot.

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