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	<title>Comments on: New Federal Report: Plug-In Hybrids Won&#039;t Help For Decades</title>
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		<title>By: Mkkby</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-13381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mkkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gov should stop subsidizing this right now.  $6300 to save 70 gallons of gas per year.  Yikes!  What a boondoggle.



Just buy your hybrids until batteries are ready for prime time.  That may happen in 10 years... or it may never happen.  I don&#039;t even care about charge capacity.  Charge CYCLES is the real hurdle.  Rechargeable batts have about 1000 charge cycles before they massively lose efficiency.  Then you dump the whole thing in the land fill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gov should stop subsidizing this right now.  $6300 to save 70 gallons of gas per year.  Yikes!  What a boondoggle.</p>
<p>Just buy your hybrids until batteries are ready for prime time.  That may happen in 10 years&#8230; or it may never happen.  I don&#8217;t even care about charge capacity.  Charge CYCLES is the real hurdle.  Rechargeable batts have about 1000 charge cycles before they massively lose efficiency.  Then you dump the whole thing in the land fill.</p>
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		<title>By: Mkkby</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-36989</link>
		<dc:creator>Mkkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gov should stop subsidizing this right now.  $6300 to save 70 gallons of gas per year.  Yikes!  What a boondoggle.



Just buy your hybrids until batteries are ready for prime time.  That may happen in 10 years... or it may never happen.  I don&#039;t even care about charge capacity.  Charge CYCLES is the real hurdle.  Rechargeable batts have about 1000 charge cycles before they massively lose efficiency.  Then you dump the whole thing in the land fill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gov should stop subsidizing this right now.  $6300 to save 70 gallons of gas per year.  Yikes!  What a boondoggle.</p>
<p>Just buy your hybrids until batteries are ready for prime time.  That may happen in 10 years&#8230; or it may never happen.  I don&#8217;t even care about charge capacity.  Charge CYCLES is the real hurdle.  Rechargeable batts have about 1000 charge cycles before they massively lose efficiency.  Then you dump the whole thing in the land fill.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Finley</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-13380</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Finley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you never get started, you will never get there. The beauty of predictions is that they often self-mollify, and are always wrong, varying only in how wrong.



Few people have a grasp of the magnitude of GHG emissions and what it will take to curb them:



http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html



If everyone in America drove a Prius we would reduce global emissions needed about 1 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you never get started, you will never get there. The beauty of predictions is that they often self-mollify, and are always wrong, varying only in how wrong.</p>
<p>Few people have a grasp of the magnitude of GHG emissions and what it will take to curb them:</p>
<p><a href="http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html" rel="nofollow">http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html</a></p>
<p>If everyone in America drove a Prius we would reduce global emissions needed about 1 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Finley</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-36988</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Finley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you never get started, you will never get there. The beauty of predictions is that they often self-mollify, and are always wrong, varying only in how wrong.



Few people have a grasp of the magnitude of GHG emissions and what it will take to curb them:



http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html



If everyone in America drove a Prius we would reduce global emissions needed about 1 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you never get started, you will never get there. The beauty of predictions is that they often self-mollify, and are always wrong, varying only in how wrong.</p>
<p>Few people have a grasp of the magnitude of GHG emissions and what it will take to curb them:</p>
<p><a href="http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html" rel="nofollow">http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2009/10/wwf-study-puts-global-warming-into.html</a></p>
<p>If everyone in America drove a Prius we would reduce global emissions needed about 1 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-13379</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US National Research Council Report is also wrong on something else. It falsely claims that Plug-in Hybrids have higher emissions than plain Hybrids, after accounting for emissions at generating stations supplying their electrical power.



Since the average person drives 25 miles or less a day, and PHEVs have a range of 25 or more miles, they will be operating most of the time in electric mode. In contrast, plain Hybrids operate most of the time on fossil fuels.



A PHEV running on electric most of the time is more than twice as efficient as a plain Hybrid burning fossil fuel most of the time. The ICE in the hybrid is 20-25% efficient running on gasoline, with energy loss going out the tailpipe in the form of heat. The PHEV operating mostly in electric mode is twice as efficient, even if you use coal to charge the batteries. Coal accounts for about 45-50% of the energy mix and that is decreasing, as coal plants are being displaced by cleaner energy sources.



The Report is definitely not true when you charge the PHEV with your own solar roof panels, or when you charge your PHEV off the grid supplied by wind, wave, solar, or nuclear. You will have a zero emission vehicle, that is, until you take an occasional trip and have to fire up the range extender engine. Even that range extender engine could be running on renewable fuel, and you would still have a zero emission PHEV, because it would be recycling CO2 not emitting new CO2.



The fuel cost per mile for a PHEV, operating most of the time in electric mode, is about 1/6 that of a conventional gasoline vehicle, and less than 1/3 the cost of a plain Hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US National Research Council Report is also wrong on something else. It falsely claims that Plug-in Hybrids have higher emissions than plain Hybrids, after accounting for emissions at generating stations supplying their electrical power.</p>
<p>Since the average person drives 25 miles or less a day, and PHEVs have a range of 25 or more miles, they will be operating most of the time in electric mode. In contrast, plain Hybrids operate most of the time on fossil fuels.</p>
<p>A PHEV running on electric most of the time is more than twice as efficient as a plain Hybrid burning fossil fuel most of the time. The ICE in the hybrid is 20-25% efficient running on gasoline, with energy loss going out the tailpipe in the form of heat. The PHEV operating mostly in electric mode is twice as efficient, even if you use coal to charge the batteries. Coal accounts for about 45-50% of the energy mix and that is decreasing, as coal plants are being displaced by cleaner energy sources.</p>
<p>The Report is definitely not true when you charge the PHEV with your own solar roof panels, or when you charge your PHEV off the grid supplied by wind, wave, solar, or nuclear. You will have a zero emission vehicle, that is, until you take an occasional trip and have to fire up the range extender engine. Even that range extender engine could be running on renewable fuel, and you would still have a zero emission PHEV, because it would be recycling CO2 not emitting new CO2.</p>
<p>The fuel cost per mile for a PHEV, operating most of the time in electric mode, is about 1/6 that of a conventional gasoline vehicle, and less than 1/3 the cost of a plain Hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-36987</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US National Research Council Report is also wrong on something else. It falsely claims that Plug-in Hybrids have higher emissions than plain Hybrids, after accounting for emissions at generating stations supplying their electrical power.



Since the average person drives 25 miles or less a day, and PHEVs have a range of 25 or more miles, they will be operating most of the time in electric mode. In contrast, plain Hybrids operate most of the time on fossil fuels.



A PHEV running on electric most of the time is more than twice as efficient as a plain Hybrid burning fossil fuel most of the time. The ICE in the hybrid is 20-25% efficient running on gasoline, with energy loss going out the tailpipe in the form of heat. The PHEV operating mostly in electric mode is twice as efficient, even if you use coal to charge the batteries. Coal accounts for about 45-50% of the energy mix and that is decreasing, as coal plants are being displaced by cleaner energy sources.



The Report is definitely not true when you charge the PHEV with your own solar roof panels, or when you charge your PHEV off the grid supplied by wind, wave, solar, or nuclear. You will have a zero emission vehicle, that is, until you take an occasional trip and have to fire up the range extender engine. Even that range extender engine could be running on renewable fuel, and you would still have a zero emission PHEV, because it would be recycling CO2 not emitting new CO2.



The fuel cost per mile for a PHEV, operating most of the time in electric mode, is about 1/6 that of a conventional gasoline vehicle, and less than 1/3 the cost of a plain Hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US National Research Council Report is also wrong on something else. It falsely claims that Plug-in Hybrids have higher emissions than plain Hybrids, after accounting for emissions at generating stations supplying their electrical power.</p>
<p>Since the average person drives 25 miles or less a day, and PHEVs have a range of 25 or more miles, they will be operating most of the time in electric mode. In contrast, plain Hybrids operate most of the time on fossil fuels.</p>
<p>A PHEV running on electric most of the time is more than twice as efficient as a plain Hybrid burning fossil fuel most of the time. The ICE in the hybrid is 20-25% efficient running on gasoline, with energy loss going out the tailpipe in the form of heat. The PHEV operating mostly in electric mode is twice as efficient, even if you use coal to charge the batteries. Coal accounts for about 45-50% of the energy mix and that is decreasing, as coal plants are being displaced by cleaner energy sources.</p>
<p>The Report is definitely not true when you charge the PHEV with your own solar roof panels, or when you charge your PHEV off the grid supplied by wind, wave, solar, or nuclear. You will have a zero emission vehicle, that is, until you take an occasional trip and have to fire up the range extender engine. Even that range extender engine could be running on renewable fuel, and you would still have a zero emission PHEV, because it would be recycling CO2 not emitting new CO2.</p>
<p>The fuel cost per mile for a PHEV, operating most of the time in electric mode, is about 1/6 that of a conventional gasoline vehicle, and less than 1/3 the cost of a plain Hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: Moteur Nature</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-13378</link>
		<dc:creator>Moteur Nature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the time to study that report, but I&#039;m not surprised. We all know that hybrid technology has been around for more than 10 years, right? Still, when we look at the numbers, I mean the actual number of hybrid cars in use, versus the total number of cars in the country, hybrid cars represent less than one percent of that total.



Now, find the proportion of CO2 emissions coming from automotive use, and you will find that you can put 10 millions plug-in hybrid cars on the road, and that the country emissions would hardly change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the time to study that report, but I&#8217;m not surprised. We all know that hybrid technology has been around for more than 10 years, right? Still, when we look at the numbers, I mean the actual number of hybrid cars in use, versus the total number of cars in the country, hybrid cars represent less than one percent of that total.</p>
<p>Now, find the proportion of CO2 emissions coming from automotive use, and you will find that you can put 10 millions plug-in hybrid cars on the road, and that the country emissions would hardly change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Moteur Nature</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-36986</link>
		<dc:creator>Moteur Nature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the time to study that report, but I&#039;m not surprised. We all know that hybrid technology has been around for more than 10 years, right? Still, when we look at the numbers, I mean the actual number of hybrid cars in use, versus the total number of cars in the country, hybrid cars represent less than one percent of that total.



Now, find the proportion of CO2 emissions coming from automotive use, and you will find that you can put 10 millions plug-in hybrid cars on the road, and that the country emissions would hardly change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the time to study that report, but I&#8217;m not surprised. We all know that hybrid technology has been around for more than 10 years, right? Still, when we look at the numbers, I mean the actual number of hybrid cars in use, versus the total number of cars in the country, hybrid cars represent less than one percent of that total.</p>
<p>Now, find the proportion of CO2 emissions coming from automotive use, and you will find that you can put 10 millions plug-in hybrid cars on the road, and that the country emissions would hardly change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christof D-H</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-13377</link>
		<dc:creator>Christof D-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Fossil fuels, and their infrastructure, are -- and have always been heavily subsidized by the Federal Government --&gt;



&quot;Tax credits constitute the largest source of federal assistance to the energy sector. According to a 2006 study prepared by Washington D.C. consulting group Management Information Services Inc. (MISI), tax credits accounted for an estimated 45 percent of all federal energy support between 1950 and 2003. An analysis by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts put this number at 65 percent for 2006. Tax treatment also comprises one of the earliest ways by which the federal government subsidized energy development and production, dating to 1917, when income tax credits were established to encourage oil drilling.&quot;



http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Fossil fuels, and their infrastructure, are &#8212; and have always been heavily subsidized by the Federal Government &#8211;&gt;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tax credits constitute the largest source of federal assistance to the energy sector. According to a 2006 study prepared by Washington D.C. consulting group Management Information Services Inc. (MISI), tax credits accounted for an estimated 45 percent of all federal energy support between 1950 and 2003. An analysis by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts put this number at 65 percent for 2006. Tax treatment also comprises one of the earliest ways by which the federal government subsidized energy development and production, dating to 1917, when income tax credits were established to encourage oil drilling.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christof D-H</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/12/14/new-federal-report-plug-in-hybrids-wont-help-for-decades/#comment-36985</link>
		<dc:creator>Christof D-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Fossil fuels, and their infrastructure, are -- and have always been heavily subsidized by the Federal Government --&gt;



&quot;Tax credits constitute the largest source of federal assistance to the energy sector. According to a 2006 study prepared by Washington D.C. consulting group Management Information Services Inc. (MISI), tax credits accounted for an estimated 45 percent of all federal energy support between 1950 and 2003. An analysis by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts put this number at 65 percent for 2006. Tax treatment also comprises one of the earliest ways by which the federal government subsidized energy development and production, dating to 1917, when income tax credits were established to encourage oil drilling.&quot;



http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Fossil fuels, and their infrastructure, are &#8212; and have always been heavily subsidized by the Federal Government &#8211;&gt;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tax credits constitute the largest source of federal assistance to the energy sector. According to a 2006 study prepared by Washington D.C. consulting group Management Information Services Inc. (MISI), tax credits accounted for an estimated 45 percent of all federal energy support between 1950 and 2003. An analysis by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts put this number at 65 percent for 2006. Tax treatment also comprises one of the earliest ways by which the federal government subsidized energy development and production, dating to 1917, when income tax credits were established to encourage oil drilling.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/11/the-federal-energy-subsidy-scorecard-how-renewables-stack-up</a></p>
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