Comments on: EV Batteries Could Be Used To Boost Nation's Energy Grid http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Victor Babbitt http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-12865 Victor Babbitt Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:52:30 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-12865 It's amazing this concept is still around, more amazing that it's being funded. Unless a brand new class of EV batteries is invented (and we're not talking a better lithium ion), the degradation of the battery in your EV by cycling it is more than the value of the electricity you can store in that cycle. So, if the utility degrades your battery $10 worth to store $1 in electricity, that would seem to be a non starter. Plus, I'd agree with John that waking up to find your battery depleted would be inconvenient. It’s amazing this concept is still around, more amazing that it’s being funded. Unless a brand new class of EV batteries is invented (and we’re not talking a better lithium ion), the degradation of the battery in your EV by cycling it is more than the value of the electricity you can store in that cycle. So, if the utility degrades your battery $10 worth to store $1 in electricity, that would seem to be a non starter.

Plus, I’d agree with John that waking up to find your battery depleted would be inconvenient.

]]> By: Victor Babbitt http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-36694 Victor Babbitt Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:52:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-36694 It's amazing this concept is still around, more amazing that it's being funded. Unless a brand new class of EV batteries is invented (and we're not talking a better lithium ion), the degradation of the battery in your EV by cycling it is more than the value of the electricity you can store in that cycle. So, if the utility degrades your battery $10 worth to store $1 in electricity, that would seem to be a non starter. Plus, I'd agree with John that waking up to find your battery depleted would be inconvenient. It’s amazing this concept is still around, more amazing that it’s being funded. Unless a brand new class of EV batteries is invented (and we’re not talking a better lithium ion), the degradation of the battery in your EV by cycling it is more than the value of the electricity you can store in that cycle. So, if the utility degrades your battery $10 worth to store $1 in electricity, that would seem to be a non starter.

Plus, I’d agree with John that waking up to find your battery depleted would be inconvenient.

]]> By: Hugo http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-12864 Hugo Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:40:22 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-12864 Sorry...is "...a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wheels..." not "wells"... Sorry…is “…a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wheels…” not “wells”…

]]> By: Hugo http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-36693 Hugo Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:40:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-36693 Sorry...is "...a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wheels..." not "wells"... Sorry…is “…a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wheels…” not “wells”…

]]> By: Hugo http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-12863 Hugo Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:36:31 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-12863 Jonh, one of the big advantages of a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wells...In the "power back to grid" scenario, with the software that the car has you can make sure that the car only provides energy to the grid until a certain time, after that point the vehicle will begin to recharge to make sure that, at the time you set for the car to be ready, it is... Never forget that a EV is, by far, a more versatile vehicle than a ICE... Jonh, one of the big advantages of a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wells…In the “power back to grid” scenario, with the software that the car has you can make sure that the car only provides energy to the grid until a certain time, after that point the vehicle will begin to recharge to make sure that, at the time you set for the car to be ready, it is…

Never forget that a EV is, by far, a more versatile vehicle than a ICE…

]]> By: Hugo http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-36692 Hugo Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:36:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-36692 Jonh, one of the big advantages of a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wells...In the "power back to grid" scenario, with the software that the car has you can make sure that the car only provides energy to the grid until a certain time, after that point the vehicle will begin to recharge to make sure that, at the time you set for the car to be ready, it is... Never forget that a EV is, by far, a more versatile vehicle than a ICE... Jonh, one of the big advantages of a EV is the fact that they will be nothing less than a computer with wells…In the “power back to grid” scenario, with the software that the car has you can make sure that the car only provides energy to the grid until a certain time, after that point the vehicle will begin to recharge to make sure that, at the time you set for the car to be ready, it is…

Never forget that a EV is, by far, a more versatile vehicle than a ICE…

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-12862 ChuckL Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:57:30 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-12862 Perhaps we can use PHEVs and generate the power from the gasoline engines thereby eliminating the coal burning and nuclear power plants. John, there are massive UPS available, but a better choice would be a diesel powered generator set with an automatic change-over switch. It has much longer power continuity and costs less. Perhaps we can use PHEVs and generate the power from the gasoline engines thereby eliminating the coal burning and nuclear power plants.

John, there are massive UPS available, but a better choice would be a diesel powered generator set with an automatic change-over switch. It has much longer power continuity and costs less.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-36691 ChuckL Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:57:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-36691 Perhaps we can use PHEVs and generate the power from the gasoline engines thereby eliminating the coal burning and nuclear power plants. John, there are massive UPS available, but a better choice would be a diesel powered generator set with an automatic change-over switch. It has much longer power continuity and costs less. Perhaps we can use PHEVs and generate the power from the gasoline engines thereby eliminating the coal burning and nuclear power plants.

John, there are massive UPS available, but a better choice would be a diesel powered generator set with an automatic change-over switch. It has much longer power continuity and costs less.

]]> By: John http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-12861 John Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:35:03 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-12861 Perhaps this is a dumb question, but wouldn't people want to use the battery in their electric car to go places in their electric car? I don't think I'd be very happy if I woke up in the morning and found I had no charge because my car battery was being used to make up for a brown-out overnight. But that doesn't mean that I don't like the idea of using batteries to help stabilize the grid. Heck, I'd be willing to pay a couple thousand dollars for a giant sodium battery to act as a UPS for my house. I've already paid for a lead-acid UPS for my Mac Pro and it's been well worth the money -- no data loss from power outages and no worries about damage to the equipment from voltage irregularities. If I had a big UPS for the whole house I would no longer need to worry about power outages or surge protection for anything. My computers, TVs, etc would all last longer. That alone would be worth the price. Perhaps this is a dumb question, but wouldn’t people want to use the battery in their electric car to go places in their electric car? I don’t think I’d be very happy if I woke up in the morning and found I had no charge because my car battery was being used to make up for a brown-out overnight.

But that doesn’t mean that I don’t like the idea of using batteries to help stabilize the grid. Heck, I’d be willing to pay a couple thousand dollars for a giant sodium battery to act as a UPS for my house. I’ve already paid for a lead-acid UPS for my Mac Pro and it’s been well worth the money — no data loss from power outages and no worries about damage to the equipment from voltage irregularities. If I had a big UPS for the whole house I would no longer need to worry about power outages or surge protection for anything. My computers, TVs, etc would all last longer. That alone would be worth the price.

]]> By: John http://gas2.org/2009/11/27/ev-batteries-could-be-used-to-boost-nations-energy-grid/#comment-36690 John Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:35:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=4189#comment-36690 Perhaps this is a dumb question, but wouldn't people want to use the battery in their electric car to go places in their electric car? I don't think I'd be very happy if I woke up in the morning and found I had no charge because my car battery was being used to make up for a brown-out overnight. But that doesn't mean that I don't like the idea of using batteries to help stabilize the grid. Heck, I'd be willing to pay a couple thousand dollars for a giant sodium battery to act as a UPS for my house. I've already paid for a lead-acid UPS for my Mac Pro and it's been well worth the money -- no data loss from power outages and no worries about damage to the equipment from voltage irregularities. If I had a big UPS for the whole house I would no longer need to worry about power outages or surge protection for anything. My computers, TVs, etc would all last longer. That alone would be worth the price. Perhaps this is a dumb question, but wouldn’t people want to use the battery in their electric car to go places in their electric car? I don’t think I’d be very happy if I woke up in the morning and found I had no charge because my car battery was being used to make up for a brown-out overnight.

But that doesn’t mean that I don’t like the idea of using batteries to help stabilize the grid. Heck, I’d be willing to pay a couple thousand dollars for a giant sodium battery to act as a UPS for my house. I’ve already paid for a lead-acid UPS for my Mac Pro and it’s been well worth the money — no data loss from power outages and no worries about damage to the equipment from voltage irregularities. If I had a big UPS for the whole house I would no longer need to worry about power outages or surge protection for anything. My computers, TVs, etc would all last longer. That alone would be worth the price.

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