Comments on: Guest Post: Driving Innovation – How Plastics are Making Vehicles More Fuel Efficient http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Steven http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-50294 Steven Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:16:30 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-50294 I also have mixed feelings about this post. Of course BASF has great things to say about plastics, but until most or all new plastics are made from 100% recycled plastic, instead of around 10%, than we should be concentrating around true innovations instead of plastics that come from oil. This article was just a sales pitch. If I wanted to read a sales pitch it would to to BASF’s website. I will be writing a feasibility report soon about plastic bottles vs aluminum bottles so this article has reinvigorated my mind. For me, it’s an relevant article but i hope this is not a trend for gas2. I also have mixed feelings about this post. Of course BASF has great things to say about plastics, but until most or all new plastics are made from 100% recycled plastic, instead of around 10%, than we should be concentrating around true innovations instead of plastics that come from oil.

This article was just a sales pitch. If I wanted to read a sales pitch it would to to BASF’s website. I will be writing a feasibility report soon about plastic bottles vs aluminum bottles so this article has reinvigorated my mind. For me, it’s an relevant article but i hope this is not a trend for gas2.

]]> By: ELBERT ZEIGLER http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-12561 ELBERT ZEIGLER Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:51:26 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-12561 I THOUGHT THE ARTICLE WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE. I AM TRING TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT PLASTICS.SO THAT I MAY FIND A COMPETIVE EDGE IN BUSINESS I WORK WITH AUTO METALS AND I SEE MORE PLASTIC THAN EVER THAT IS THROWN OUT FOR THE SMALLEST DAMAGE. I AM INTERESTED IN RECYCLING BY REPAIR OR BY SALVAGE. THIS ARTICLE AND WEB SITE HAS LET ME KNOW TO PERSUE MY THOUGHTS AND AMBITION IN THE FIELD OF PLASTICS BEFORE IT BECOMES SATURARTED. THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS PROGRESS. GET ON BOARD. I THOUGHT THE ARTICLE WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE. I AM TRING TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT PLASTICS.SO THAT I MAY FIND A COMPETIVE EDGE IN BUSINESS I WORK WITH AUTO METALS AND I SEE MORE PLASTIC THAN EVER THAT IS THROWN OUT FOR THE SMALLEST DAMAGE. I AM INTERESTED IN RECYCLING BY REPAIR OR BY SALVAGE. THIS ARTICLE AND WEB SITE HAS LET ME KNOW TO PERSUE MY THOUGHTS AND AMBITION IN THE FIELD OF PLASTICS BEFORE IT BECOMES SATURARTED. THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS PROGRESS. GET ON BOARD.

]]> By: ELBERT ZEIGLER http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-35865 ELBERT ZEIGLER Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:51:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-35865 I THOUGHT THE ARTICLE WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE. I AM TRING TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT PLASTICS.SO THAT I MAY FIND A COMPETIVE EDGE IN BUSINESS I WORK WITH AUTO METALS AND I SEE MORE PLASTIC THAN EVER THAT IS THROWN OUT FOR THE SMALLEST DAMAGE. I AM INTERESTED IN RECYCLING BY REPAIR OR BY SALVAGE. THIS ARTICLE AND WEB SITE HAS LET ME KNOW TO PERSUE MY THOUGHTS AND AMBITION IN THE FIELD OF PLASTICS BEFORE IT BECOMES SATURARTED. THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS PROGRESS. GET ON BOARD. I THOUGHT THE ARTICLE WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE. I AM TRING TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT PLASTICS.SO THAT I MAY FIND A COMPETIVE EDGE IN BUSINESS I WORK WITH AUTO METALS AND I SEE MORE PLASTIC THAN EVER THAT IS THROWN OUT FOR THE SMALLEST DAMAGE. I AM INTERESTED IN RECYCLING BY REPAIR OR BY SALVAGE. THIS ARTICLE AND WEB SITE HAS LET ME KNOW TO PERSUE MY THOUGHTS AND AMBITION IN THE FIELD OF PLASTICS BEFORE IT BECOMES SATURARTED. THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS PROGRESS. GET ON BOARD.

]]> By: Ganry97 http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-12560 Ganry97 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:43:48 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-12560 Because the legislature and executive keep a tab on one another, as the American founding fathers intended. , Because the legislature and executive keep a tab on one another, as the American founding fathers intended. ,

]]> By: Armand http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-12559 Armand Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:40:45 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-12559 This is a plastics industry view (ACC), not a BASF view. I don't see anywhere where the source of the plastics is discussed. It should not make a difference to the car performance if the plastic comes from oil, corn or is recycled. This is a plastics industry view (ACC), not a BASF view. I don’t see anywhere where the source of the plastics is discussed. It should not make a difference to the car performance if the plastic comes from oil, corn or is recycled.

]]> By: Armand http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-35864 Armand Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:40:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-35864 This is a plastics industry view (ACC), not a BASF view. I don't see anywhere where the source of the plastics is discussed. It should not make a difference to the car performance if the plastic comes from oil, corn or is recycled. This is a plastics industry view (ACC), not a BASF view. I don’t see anywhere where the source of the plastics is discussed. It should not make a difference to the car performance if the plastic comes from oil, corn or is recycled.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-12558 Tim Cleland Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:18:05 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-12558 "Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles. That’s just plain wrong." How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter (and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency? It's not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to write an article on Gas2.0. “Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles.

That’s just plain wrong.”

How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter

(and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency?

It’s not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made

material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to

write an article on Gas2.0.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-35862 Tim Cleland Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:18:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-35862 "Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles. That’s just plain wrong." How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter (and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency? It's not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to write an article on Gas2.0. “Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles.

That’s just plain wrong.”

How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter

(and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency?

It’s not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made

material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to

write an article on Gas2.0.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-35863 Tim Cleland Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:18:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-35863 "Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles. That’s just plain wrong." How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter (and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency? It's not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to write an article on Gas2.0. “Wrong. BASF is a major chemical company. If they want to take an ad out on the site, great, but they shouldn’t be posting their propaganda as articles.

That’s just plain wrong.”

How is it propaganda to point out that plastics are lighter

(and often stronger) than metals, and that using lighter materials is a great way to increase fuel efficiency?

It’s not like there is some competing mom-and-pop-made

material that is being hurt by the fact that BASF got to

write an article on Gas2.0.

]]> By: Steve Shurts http://gas2.org/2009/10/01/guest-post-driving-innovation-how-plastics-are-making-vehicles-more-fuel-efficient/#comment-12557 Steve Shurts Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:44:38 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3674#comment-12557 Tim, Now you see how the Nazi environmentalists are - it's not fair to compare the Mafia with extreme environmentalists. After all, the Mafia only makes money on the weaknesses of individuals, while the Nazi forced their world view on everyone else - you know, like the ELF and PETA... I have been an environmentalist for most of my life (I will admit to wanting to sail on a ship and harpoon sperm whales after reading Moby Dick, when I was a kid). However, the needs of the environment and the needs of humanity must be balanced. Neither side (progress at all cost vs. darter minnows at all costs) can claim any sort of moral high ground. They are both extreme and need to be tempered in the light of day rather than carrying out their secret wars in corporate back rooms or at the base of a radio antenna. Tim,

Now you see how the Nazi environmentalists are – it’s not fair to compare the Mafia with extreme environmentalists. After all, the Mafia only makes money on the weaknesses of individuals, while the Nazi forced their world view on everyone else – you know, like the ELF and PETA…

I have been an environmentalist for most of my life (I will admit to wanting to sail on a ship and harpoon sperm whales after reading Moby Dick, when I was a kid). However, the needs of the environment and the needs of humanity must be balanced. Neither side (progress at all cost vs. darter minnows at all costs) can claim any sort of moral high ground. They are both extreme and need to be tempered in the light of day rather than carrying out their secret wars in corporate back rooms or at the base of a radio antenna.

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