Comments on: Cruising The Country in a Propane F150 – Part 1 http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: George Wyatt http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-44674 George Wyatt Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:35:48 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-44674 All the comments on this site are accurate. C3H8 is the best motor fuel ever created. Unfortunately, it will never fly in the USA thanks to politicians, lobiest, & big oil monopolies. Even if people in this country were given free cars, they would still not go the LP route. Why ? Because they are not going to drive five miles or more to get fuel & wait for someone else to fill up their tank. The infrastructure is not here & never will be. I built & raced a propane powered drag race hydroplane for (7) years & set world speed & ET records and never was able to get a single sponsor. Forget it, even T. Boone Pickens can't get anyone's attention with all the money he has spent. Anyone out there need any propane carburetors? All the comments on this site are accurate. C3H8 is the best motor fuel ever created. Unfortunately, it will never fly in the USA thanks to politicians, lobiest, & big oil monopolies. Even if people in this country were given free cars, they would still not go the LP route. Why ? Because they are not going to drive five miles or more to get fuel & wait for someone else to fill up their tank. The infrastructure is not here & never will be. I built & raced a propane powered drag race hydroplane for (7) years & set world speed & ET records and never was able to get a single sponsor. Forget it, even T. Boone Pickens can’t get anyone’s attention with all the money he has spent. Anyone out there need any propane carburetors?

]]> By: Richard Young http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-12051 Richard Young Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:33:43 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-12051 I have been reading a lot about ROUSH and their future vision for commercial vehicle energy. I agree with another comment that it's refreshing to see someone from the top not only discuss alternative fuels, but take an aggressive and forward-thinking approach to solving this issue. I've found a couple of resources for more information and wanted to share it with the folks that are interested: http://www.roushperformance.com/propane.shtml http://www.youtube.com/ferrellgas1 http://www.propanecouncil.org/ I wasn't able to find a really solid resource that had a bunch of links, not even on wikipedia (hint hint to the writers!) I have been reading a lot about ROUSH and their future vision for commercial vehicle energy. I agree with another comment that it’s refreshing to see someone from the top not only discuss alternative fuels, but take an aggressive and forward-thinking approach to solving this issue.

I’ve found a couple of resources for more information and wanted to share it with the folks that are interested:

http://www.roushperformance.com/propane.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/ferrellgas1

http://www.propanecouncil.org/

I wasn’t able to find a really solid resource that had a bunch of links, not even on wikipedia (hint hint to the writers!)

]]> By: Richard Young http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-35283 Richard Young Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:33:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-35283 I have been reading a lot about ROUSH and their future vision for commercial vehicle energy. I agree with another comment that it's refreshing to see someone from the top not only discuss alternative fuels, but take an aggressive and forward-thinking approach to solving this issue. I've found a couple of resources for more information and wanted to share it with the folks that are interested: http://www.roushperformance.com/propane.shtml http://www.youtube.com/ferrellgas1 http://www.propanecouncil.org/ I wasn't able to find a really solid resource that had a bunch of links, not even on wikipedia (hint hint to the writers!) I have been reading a lot about ROUSH and their future vision for commercial vehicle energy. I agree with another comment that it’s refreshing to see someone from the top not only discuss alternative fuels, but take an aggressive and forward-thinking approach to solving this issue.

I’ve found a couple of resources for more information and wanted to share it with the folks that are interested:

http://www.roushperformance.com/propane.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/ferrellgas1

http://www.propanecouncil.org/

I wasn’t able to find a really solid resource that had a bunch of links, not even on wikipedia (hint hint to the writers!)

]]> By: Todd http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-12050 Todd Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:32:45 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-12050 Propane is a domestically produced fuel- 60% comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from oil refining process. ROUSH does have CARB on the F-150 and will have CARB on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and on the E-150/250/350 by February 2010. We are targeting fleets to start our roll-out as they have the ability to install propane fuel infrastructure at their place of business and in this scenario their net propane price with the federal $.50/gallon tax credit is usually $1 per gallon or less. It is less expensive to convert vehicles than CNG, range is greater, operates under much lower pressures and propane fueling infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG Propane is a domestically produced fuel- 60% comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from oil refining process.

ROUSH does have CARB on the F-150 and will have CARB on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and on the E-150/250/350 by February 2010.

We are targeting fleets to start our roll-out as they have the ability to install propane fuel infrastructure at their place of business and in this scenario their net propane price with the federal $.50/gallon tax credit is usually $1 per gallon or less.

It is less expensive to convert vehicles than CNG, range is greater, operates under much lower pressures and propane fueling infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG

]]> By: Todd http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-35282 Todd Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:32:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-35282 Propane is a domestically produced fuel- 60% comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from oil refining process. ROUSH does have CARB on the F-150 and will have CARB on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and on the E-150/250/350 by February 2010. We are targeting fleets to start our roll-out as they have the ability to install propane fuel infrastructure at their place of business and in this scenario their net propane price with the federal $.50/gallon tax credit is usually $1 per gallon or less. It is less expensive to convert vehicles than CNG, range is greater, operates under much lower pressures and propane fueling infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG Propane is a domestically produced fuel- 60% comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from oil refining process.

ROUSH does have CARB on the F-150 and will have CARB on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and on the E-150/250/350 by February 2010.

We are targeting fleets to start our roll-out as they have the ability to install propane fuel infrastructure at their place of business and in this scenario their net propane price with the federal $.50/gallon tax credit is usually $1 per gallon or less.

It is less expensive to convert vehicles than CNG, range is greater, operates under much lower pressures and propane fueling infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG

]]> By: Todd http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-12049 Todd Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:20:14 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-12049 We are targeting fleets with propane to start when they return to a central location on a routine basis. Fleets that install their own fueling infrastructure qualify for a $.50 per gallon tax credit for every gallon dispensed and in this scenario the net cost per gallon is $1 per gallon or less. ROUSH does have CARB approval on their F-150 and will have CARB approval on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and February 2010 on the E-150/250/350 passenger and cargo vans. 60% of propane comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from the oil refining process so it is a very domestic fuel. Converting vehicles to propane is much less expensive than CNG and fuel infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG fueling infrastructure. There is a reason propane is the 3rd most common engine fuel in the world behind gas and diesel. We are targeting fleets with propane to start when they return to a central location on a routine basis. Fleets that install their own fueling infrastructure qualify for a $.50 per gallon tax credit for every gallon dispensed and in this scenario the net cost per gallon is $1 per gallon or less.

ROUSH does have CARB approval on their F-150 and will have CARB approval on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and February 2010 on the E-150/250/350 passenger and cargo vans.

60% of propane comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from the oil refining process so it is a very domestic fuel. Converting vehicles to propane is much less expensive than CNG and fuel infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG fueling infrastructure. There is a reason propane is the 3rd most common engine fuel in the world behind gas and diesel.

]]> By: Todd http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-35281 Todd Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:20:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-35281 We are targeting fleets with propane to start when they return to a central location on a routine basis. Fleets that install their own fueling infrastructure qualify for a $.50 per gallon tax credit for every gallon dispensed and in this scenario the net cost per gallon is $1 per gallon or less. ROUSH does have CARB approval on their F-150 and will have CARB approval on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and February 2010 on the E-150/250/350 passenger and cargo vans. 60% of propane comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from the oil refining process so it is a very domestic fuel. Converting vehicles to propane is much less expensive than CNG and fuel infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG fueling infrastructure. There is a reason propane is the 3rd most common engine fuel in the world behind gas and diesel. We are targeting fleets with propane to start when they return to a central location on a routine basis. Fleets that install their own fueling infrastructure qualify for a $.50 per gallon tax credit for every gallon dispensed and in this scenario the net cost per gallon is $1 per gallon or less.

ROUSH does have CARB approval on their F-150 and will have CARB approval on the F-250/350 in October 2009 and February 2010 on the E-150/250/350 passenger and cargo vans.

60% of propane comes from the natural gas refining process and 40% from the oil refining process so it is a very domestic fuel. Converting vehicles to propane is much less expensive than CNG and fuel infrastructure is a fraction of the cost of CNG fueling infrastructure. There is a reason propane is the 3rd most common engine fuel in the world behind gas and diesel.

]]> By: Mr. Sinister http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-12048 Mr. Sinister Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:31:42 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-12048 As you pointed out, one of the greatest problems with propane as a transportation fuel (as is the case with anything that seeks to compete with gasoline/diesel) is infrastructure. Propane, of course, is available almost anywhere in the country ... but not where your Average Joe could easily pull up to top off their tank. Here in the frozen north, propane is widely used for heating in rural areas where natural gas distribution does not reach. Perhaps that speaks to the higher costs that you saw as you travelled further south ... here, in the off-peak season, propane can currently be had for about $1.30 per gallon. While I would certainly love to be able to fill up my vehicle from the propane tank sitting behind the garage, I think there would have to be considerable work done in the way of safety before propane could be widely used in transportation. Gasoline and diesel fuel are relatively stable at nominal temperatures, but propane has a nasty habit of exploding when not handled properly. Hence, it requires licensed persons and specialized equipment to store and distribute. Consider also that propane only remains a liquid when kept under pressure. A small leak in the distribution system and you have a very dangerous situation. As you pointed out, one of the greatest problems with propane as a transportation fuel (as is the case with anything that seeks to compete with gasoline/diesel) is infrastructure. Propane, of course, is available almost anywhere in the country … but not where your Average Joe could easily pull up to top off their tank. Here in the frozen north, propane is widely used for heating in rural areas where natural gas distribution does not reach. Perhaps that speaks to the higher costs that you saw as you travelled further south … here, in the off-peak season, propane can currently be had for about $1.30 per gallon.

While I would certainly love to be able to fill up my vehicle from the propane tank sitting behind the garage, I think there would have to be considerable work done in the way of safety before propane could be widely used in transportation. Gasoline and diesel fuel are relatively stable at nominal temperatures, but propane has a nasty habit of exploding when not handled properly. Hence, it requires licensed persons and specialized equipment to store and distribute. Consider also that propane only remains a liquid when kept under pressure. A small leak in the distribution system and you have a very dangerous situation.

]]> By: Mr. Sinister http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-35280 Mr. Sinister Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:31:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-35280 As you pointed out, one of the greatest problems with propane as a transportation fuel (as is the case with anything that seeks to compete with gasoline/diesel) is infrastructure. Propane, of course, is available almost anywhere in the country ... but not where your Average Joe could easily pull up to top off their tank. Here in the frozen north, propane is widely used for heating in rural areas where natural gas distribution does not reach. Perhaps that speaks to the higher costs that you saw as you travelled further south ... here, in the off-peak season, propane can currently be had for about $1.30 per gallon. While I would certainly love to be able to fill up my vehicle from the propane tank sitting behind the garage, I think there would have to be considerable work done in the way of safety before propane could be widely used in transportation. Gasoline and diesel fuel are relatively stable at nominal temperatures, but propane has a nasty habit of exploding when not handled properly. Hence, it requires licensed persons and specialized equipment to store and distribute. Consider also that propane only remains a liquid when kept under pressure. A small leak in the distribution system and you have a very dangerous situation. As you pointed out, one of the greatest problems with propane as a transportation fuel (as is the case with anything that seeks to compete with gasoline/diesel) is infrastructure. Propane, of course, is available almost anywhere in the country … but not where your Average Joe could easily pull up to top off their tank. Here in the frozen north, propane is widely used for heating in rural areas where natural gas distribution does not reach. Perhaps that speaks to the higher costs that you saw as you travelled further south … here, in the off-peak season, propane can currently be had for about $1.30 per gallon.

While I would certainly love to be able to fill up my vehicle from the propane tank sitting behind the garage, I think there would have to be considerable work done in the way of safety before propane could be widely used in transportation. Gasoline and diesel fuel are relatively stable at nominal temperatures, but propane has a nasty habit of exploding when not handled properly. Hence, it requires licensed persons and specialized equipment to store and distribute. Consider also that propane only remains a liquid when kept under pressure. A small leak in the distribution system and you have a very dangerous situation.

]]> By: Captain Morgan http://gas2.org/2009/08/18/cruising-the-country-in-a-propane-f150-part-1/#comment-12047 Captain Morgan Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:11:38 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=3273#comment-12047 @ Jay Tee, Of course it's controlled by it's suppliers. Just as natural gas is controlled ... just as gasoline and diesel fuel are controlled. If you believe that the retail prices for any liquid fuels are set by the free market, you're fooling yourself. Ever notice how the price of gasoline changes to the same value at the same time at every station in the area? With a captive market, there's no reason for competing suppliers to engage in costly price wars to drive each other out of business. @ Jay Tee,

Of course it’s controlled by it’s suppliers. Just as natural gas is controlled … just as gasoline and diesel fuel are controlled. If you believe that the retail prices for any liquid fuels are set by the free market, you’re fooling yourself. Ever notice how the price of gasoline changes to the same value at the same time at every station in the area? With a captive market, there’s no reason for competing suppliers to engage in costly price wars to drive each other out of business.

]]>