Comments on: Ecotality to Enter Huge Chinese EV Market http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sat, 26 May 2012 14:59:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Efried http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-43045 Efried Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:46:17 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-43045 Public Private Partnership for disseminating solar driven electric mobility? Visit http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs for further information May be public private partnerships are the best way to set up such charging infrastructure. In an EU-funded project we are investigating that question. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs Many thanks for your precious time. Submitted on 10/05/10, 12:22 AM There are several options for implementing policies to drive into the direction of solar mobility or more general electric mobility ustilising renewable resources. Nowadays some countries are rolling out large infrastructure on their own like Israel - others rely on private investments solely. Is there a way in between? Yes we think so: Public Private Partnerships allow a bundle of measures in the different elements of implementing clean energy projects and bringing that to the vehicles. Whilst energy production is may be on the private and utility side - expensive charging infrastructure or the vehicles themselves may be implemented using PPP. Please help us to complete the picture which already is explained in the questionnaire. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs Many thanks in advance Public Private Partnership for disseminating solar driven electric mobility?

Visit http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs for further information

May be public private partnerships are the best way to set up such charging infrastructure. In an EU-funded project we are investigating that question. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs Many thanks for your precious time.

Submitted on 10/05/10, 12:22 AM

There are several options for implementing policies to drive into the direction of solar mobility or more general electric mobility ustilising renewable resources. Nowadays some countries are rolling out large infrastructure on their own like Israel – others rely on private investments solely. Is there a way in between? Yes we think so: Public Private Partnerships allow a bundle of measures in the different elements of implementing clean energy projects and bringing that to the vehicles. Whilst energy production is may be on the private and utility side – expensive charging infrastructure or the vehicles themselves may be implemented using PPP. Please help us to complete the picture which already is explained in the questionnaire.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPP_BEVs
Many thanks in advance

]]> By: David Stone http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-10472 David Stone Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:06:16 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-10472 Same here. It is nice to read the comments of people who get it, who have that rare ability to use their logical thinking ability ;) Same here.

It is nice to read the comments of people who get it, who have that rare ability to use their logical thinking ability ;)

]]> By: David Stone http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-34484 David Stone Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:06:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-34484 Same here. It is nice to read the comments of people who get it, who have that rare ability to use their logical thinking ability ;) Same here.

It is nice to read the comments of people who get it, who have that rare ability to use their logical thinking ability ;)

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-10471 Susan Kraemer Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:59:12 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-10471 What Aureon said. What Aureon said.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-34483 Susan Kraemer Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:59:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-34483 What Aureon said. What Aureon said.

]]> By: Aureon Kwolek http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-10470 Aureon Kwolek Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:23:33 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-10470 The New York Times / McKinsey & Company 19% figure is way off. On a cost basis, $1 spent on electric charging an EV will get you 6 times more mileage than you get on $1 of gasoline. This is based on an in the field test, an average of the cost per mile to run two EVs: Subaru Stella and a Mitsubishi MiEV. That cost per mile was compared with the cost per mile to operate similar sized gasoline fueled vehicles. The result was 6 times more mileage out of a dollar's worth of electricity vs a dollar's worth of gasoline. This was conducted in Japan. The cost of electricity vs the cost of gasoline will vary - depending on where you are. A conservative estimate would be somewhere between 70% and 80% reduction in emissions, not 19%. Other factors: At night most of the electric power generated is cheaper, because some electric power goes to waste. Charging vehicles off the grid at night will be a more cost effective use of wasted or unused power generation. One study showed that the current energy infrastruction in the U.S. is big enough to charge at night approx 70% of EVs and plug-in hybrids. If someone is driving an EV in front of you, you won't be sucking up their exhaust. On the whole, EVs will reduce city air pollution. Using central power plants for vehicle fuel - potentially moves pollution out of city centers. It is much easier to scrub the exhaust from central power plants, than to scrub the tail pipes of millions of vehicles. Keep in mind, some EV owners will charge their vehicles from solar panels and windmills. That makes those EVs 100% carbon nuetral. The New York Times / McKinsey & Company 19% figure is way off. On a cost basis, $1 spent on electric charging an EV will get you 6 times more mileage than you get on $1 of gasoline. This is based on an in the field test, an average of the cost per mile to run two EVs: Subaru Stella and a Mitsubishi MiEV. That cost per mile was compared with the cost per mile to operate similar sized gasoline fueled vehicles. The result was 6 times more mileage out of a dollar’s worth of electricity vs a dollar’s worth of gasoline. This was conducted in Japan. The cost of electricity vs the cost of gasoline will vary – depending on where you are. A conservative estimate would be somewhere between 70% and 80% reduction in emissions, not 19%.

Other factors: At night most of the electric power generated is cheaper, because some electric power goes to waste. Charging vehicles off the grid at night will be a more cost effective use of wasted or unused power generation. One study showed that the current energy infrastruction in the U.S. is big enough to charge at night approx 70% of EVs and plug-in hybrids.

If someone is driving an EV in front of you, you won’t be sucking up their exhaust. On the whole, EVs will reduce city air pollution. Using central power plants for vehicle fuel – potentially moves pollution out of city centers. It is much easier to scrub the exhaust from central power plants, than to scrub the tail pipes of millions of vehicles.

Keep in mind, some EV owners will charge their vehicles from solar panels and windmills. That makes those EVs 100% carbon nuetral.

]]> By: Aureon Kwolek http://gas2.org/2009/07/12/ecototality-to-enter-huge-chinese-ev-market/#comment-34482 Aureon Kwolek Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:23:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=2885#comment-34482 The New York Times / McKinsey & Company 19% figure is way off. On a cost basis, $1 spent on electric charging an EV will get you 6 times more mileage than you get on $1 of gasoline. This is based on an in the field test, an average of the cost per mile to run two EVs: Subaru Stella and a Mitsubishi MiEV. That cost per mile was compared with the cost per mile to operate similar sized gasoline fueled vehicles. The result was 6 times more mileage out of a dollar's worth of electricity vs a dollar's worth of gasoline. This was conducted in Japan. The cost of electricity vs the cost of gasoline will vary - depending on where you are. A conservative estimate would be somewhere between 70% and 80% reduction in emissions, not 19%. Other factors: At night most of the electric power generated is cheaper, because some electric power goes to waste. Charging vehicles off the grid at night will be a more cost effective use of wasted or unused power generation. One study showed that the current energy infrastruction in the U.S. is big enough to charge at night approx 70% of EVs and plug-in hybrids. If someone is driving an EV in front of you, you won't be sucking up their exhaust. On the whole, EVs will reduce city air pollution. Using central power plants for vehicle fuel - potentially moves pollution out of city centers. It is much easier to scrub the exhaust from central power plants, than to scrub the tail pipes of millions of vehicles. Keep in mind, some EV owners will charge their vehicles from solar panels and windmills. That makes those EVs 100% carbon nuetral. The New York Times / McKinsey & Company 19% figure is way off. On a cost basis, $1 spent on electric charging an EV will get you 6 times more mileage than you get on $1 of gasoline. This is based on an in the field test, an average of the cost per mile to run two EVs: Subaru Stella and a Mitsubishi MiEV. That cost per mile was compared with the cost per mile to operate similar sized gasoline fueled vehicles. The result was 6 times more mileage out of a dollar’s worth of electricity vs a dollar’s worth of gasoline. This was conducted in Japan. The cost of electricity vs the cost of gasoline will vary – depending on where you are. A conservative estimate would be somewhere between 70% and 80% reduction in emissions, not 19%.

Other factors: At night most of the electric power generated is cheaper, because some electric power goes to waste. Charging vehicles off the grid at night will be a more cost effective use of wasted or unused power generation. One study showed that the current energy infrastruction in the U.S. is big enough to charge at night approx 70% of EVs and plug-in hybrids.

If someone is driving an EV in front of you, you won’t be sucking up their exhaust. On the whole, EVs will reduce city air pollution. Using central power plants for vehicle fuel – potentially moves pollution out of city centers. It is much easier to scrub the exhaust from central power plants, than to scrub the tail pipes of millions of vehicles.

Keep in mind, some EV owners will charge their vehicles from solar panels and windmills. That makes those EVs 100% carbon nuetral.

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