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	<title>Comments on: Government Funding for Hydrogen Fuel Cells Program Reinstated</title>
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	<description>What is the future of fuel?  What&#039;s new?  What&#039;s next?  Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction.</description>
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		<title>By: Energy: Hydrogen (let&#8217;s not waste our time) &#171; Greenhouse Project Denver</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-135580</link>
		<dc:creator>Energy: Hydrogen (let&#8217;s not waste our time) &#171; Greenhouse Project Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Currently our federal government is wasting tens of billions of dollars on hydrogen research and use.  There are even organizations set up to help take that money all to promote what will never be a source of energy in the future. [http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Currently our federal government is wasting tens of billions of dollars on hydrogen research and use.  There are even organizations set up to help take that money all to promote what will never be a source of energy in the future. [http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brazil Unveils Hydrogen Bus : Gas 2.0</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-10418</link>
		<dc:creator>Brazil Unveils Hydrogen Bus : Gas 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may just be making its come back in America, but its definitely gaining some momentum in Brazil. Earlier this week, Brazil announced [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may just be making its come back in America, but its definitely gaining some momentum in Brazil. Earlier this week, Brazil announced [...]</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-10417</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* I can&#039;t believe that funding for hydrogen fuel cells for mass-market cars might come back.  DOE director Steven Chu was right when he originally cut this funding.



There is of course interesting ancillary R&amp;D (such as work on non-platinum catalysts or improved membranes for PEM fuel cells), but having fuel cells in cars fails for a host of reasons, not the least of which is materials cost.  The required specifications for operating conditions (temperature, humidity) are more than PEM fuel cells can handle.  And there&#039;s the tremendous issue of hydrogen storage.  And the fueling infrastructure. And...



Yes, fuel cells might have niche markets that are interesting (although the example of MTI above isn&#039;t relevant here as it is a direct methanol fuel cell which is a type that isn&#039;t useful for cars).  The military can make effective use of fuel cells in unmanned planes, soldier power packs, and remote long-term low-power applications.  You might be able to argue that fuel cells are useful for backup power.  Very large fuel cells also have a place in power production for buildings (such as phosphoric acid or molten carbonate), but those systems are apples compared to the oranges required by automotive applications.



The truth is that most portable fuel cell &quot;devices&quot; are lab curiosities, and what the companies say tends to be full of marketing fluff.



I&#039;m a tremendous advocate of alternative energy (having dedicated the vast majority of my working career in the industry), but this is not funding that deserved to be resurrected.  Better to see it invested in the types of fuel cell devices listed above, redirected at the research programs that show the most promise -- or into solar/wind technologies that can more directly address the country&#039;s energy needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* I can&#8217;t believe that funding for hydrogen fuel cells for mass-market cars might come back.  DOE director Steven Chu was right when he originally cut this funding.</p>
<p>There is of course interesting ancillary R&amp;D (such as work on non-platinum catalysts or improved membranes for PEM fuel cells), but having fuel cells in cars fails for a host of reasons, not the least of which is materials cost.  The required specifications for operating conditions (temperature, humidity) are more than PEM fuel cells can handle.  And there&#8217;s the tremendous issue of hydrogen storage.  And the fueling infrastructure. And&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, fuel cells might have niche markets that are interesting (although the example of MTI above isn&#8217;t relevant here as it is a direct methanol fuel cell which is a type that isn&#8217;t useful for cars).  The military can make effective use of fuel cells in unmanned planes, soldier power packs, and remote long-term low-power applications.  You might be able to argue that fuel cells are useful for backup power.  Very large fuel cells also have a place in power production for buildings (such as phosphoric acid or molten carbonate), but those systems are apples compared to the oranges required by automotive applications.</p>
<p>The truth is that most portable fuel cell &#8220;devices&#8221; are lab curiosities, and what the companies say tends to be full of marketing fluff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a tremendous advocate of alternative energy (having dedicated the vast majority of my working career in the industry), but this is not funding that deserved to be resurrected.  Better to see it invested in the types of fuel cell devices listed above, redirected at the research programs that show the most promise &#8212; or into solar/wind technologies that can more directly address the country&#8217;s energy needs.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-34260</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* I can&#039;t believe that funding for hydrogen fuel cells for mass-market cars might come back.  DOE director Steven Chu was right when he originally cut this funding.



There is of course interesting ancillary R&amp;D (such as work on non-platinum catalysts or improved membranes for PEM fuel cells), but having fuel cells in cars fails for a host of reasons, not the least of which is materials cost.  The required specifications for operating conditions (temperature, humidity) are more than PEM fuel cells can handle.  And there&#039;s the tremendous issue of hydrogen storage.  And the fueling infrastructure. And...



Yes, fuel cells might have niche markets that are interesting (although the example of MTI above isn&#039;t relevant here as it is a direct methanol fuel cell which is a type that isn&#039;t useful for cars).  The military can make effective use of fuel cells in unmanned planes, soldier power packs, and remote long-term low-power applications.  You might be able to argue that fuel cells are useful for backup power.  Very large fuel cells also have a place in power production for buildings (such as phosphoric acid or molten carbonate), but those systems are apples compared to the oranges required by automotive applications.



The truth is that most portable fuel cell &quot;devices&quot; are lab curiosities, and what the companies say tends to be full of marketing fluff.



I&#039;m a tremendous advocate of alternative energy (having dedicated the vast majority of my working career in the industry), but this is not funding that deserved to be resurrected.  Better to see it invested in the types of fuel cell devices listed above, redirected at the research programs that show the most promise -- or into solar/wind technologies that can more directly address the country&#039;s energy needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* I can&#8217;t believe that funding for hydrogen fuel cells for mass-market cars might come back.  DOE director Steven Chu was right when he originally cut this funding.</p>
<p>There is of course interesting ancillary R&amp;D (such as work on non-platinum catalysts or improved membranes for PEM fuel cells), but having fuel cells in cars fails for a host of reasons, not the least of which is materials cost.  The required specifications for operating conditions (temperature, humidity) are more than PEM fuel cells can handle.  And there&#8217;s the tremendous issue of hydrogen storage.  And the fueling infrastructure. And&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, fuel cells might have niche markets that are interesting (although the example of MTI above isn&#8217;t relevant here as it is a direct methanol fuel cell which is a type that isn&#8217;t useful for cars).  The military can make effective use of fuel cells in unmanned planes, soldier power packs, and remote long-term low-power applications.  You might be able to argue that fuel cells are useful for backup power.  Very large fuel cells also have a place in power production for buildings (such as phosphoric acid or molten carbonate), but those systems are apples compared to the oranges required by automotive applications.</p>
<p>The truth is that most portable fuel cell &#8220;devices&#8221; are lab curiosities, and what the companies say tends to be full of marketing fluff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a tremendous advocate of alternative energy (having dedicated the vast majority of my working career in the industry), but this is not funding that deserved to be resurrected.  Better to see it invested in the types of fuel cell devices listed above, redirected at the research programs that show the most promise &#8212; or into solar/wind technologies that can more directly address the country&#8217;s energy needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-10416</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.



http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/



http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel



There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel</a></p>
<p>There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-34256</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.



http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/



http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel



There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel</a></p>
<p>There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-34257</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.



http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/



http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel



There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel</a></p>
<p>There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-34258</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gas2.org/?p=2861#comment-34258</guid>
		<description>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.



http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/



http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel



There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel</a></p>
<p>There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-34259</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gas2.org/?p=2861#comment-34259</guid>
		<description>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.



http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/



http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel



There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that cars are not the only use for hydrogen. Fuel cells can be made to power everything from your ipod to the Freedom Towers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2218895/freedom-tower-tap-green-fuel</a></p>
<p>There is no end to number of products and industries who can benefit from using fuel cells to power their equipment. Investments in any renewable energy source is an investment in our future and the faster we can stop using oil the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/07/08/government-funding-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells-program-reinstated/#comment-10415</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$190 million?  In a year?  Are you joking?  Oil executives will probably spend more money in 2010 on restaurant waiters tips.  Car companies spend more money designing a new bumper curve for the next year’s model.  We have probably spent more money in a week in Iraq.  I guess it is time to share our opinions with our local  congressmen.  Or we can continue to eat dust behind advanced Japanese cars and proudly drink Bud and watch WWF on imported TVs.  Am I only one feeling stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$190 million?  In a year?  Are you joking?  Oil executives will probably spend more money in 2010 on restaurant waiters tips.  Car companies spend more money designing a new bumper curve for the next year’s model.  We have probably spent more money in a week in Iraq.  I guess it is time to share our opinions with our local  congressmen.  Or we can continue to eat dust behind advanced Japanese cars and proudly drink Bud and watch WWF on imported TVs.  Am I only one feeling stupid?</p>
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