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	<title>Comments on: Open-Source Hydrogen Car Takes to the Road</title>
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		<title>By: George Harvey</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-10026</link>
		<dc:creator>George Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Dr. Chu took charge of the DOE, he was saddled with a department that was about a decade behind the rest of the world. The DOE was making plans based on inadequate measurements; for example wind power potential was measured at heights and locations that had little bearing on the actual level of energy obtainable with modern technology. It seemed to be totally ignorant of the large 6-MW gearless wind turbines being manufactured in Germany by Enercon. And ignorant of the established hydrogen economy developed by the Danish wind-power pioneer, Poul la Cour in the late 1800s. He made practical use of hydrogen using an electrolyzer powered by wind turbines, and established the world&#039;s first school to educate wind-electricians. Far more electrical power (and hydrogen) is available to our nation than the DOE estimated. The electrical power can be transmitted farther and with less loss than expected by the DOE by using high-voltage DC transmission to the grid.

The DOE has carried out tests of at least a couple of commercial electrolyzers recently, but that seems to be the limit of progress toward a viable hydrogen economy. Hydrogen, as Poul la Cour realized long ago, is an excellent storage and transmission material. It can be used immediately in existing hydrogen enriched natural gas truck engines, or compressed or made into hydrides for storage and shipping. It can be added to our present natural gas pipelines in increasing amounts as more wind farms are developed.



Our big problem is how to strongly stimulate the Obama administration to the point where they will take action now to implement our own hydrogen economy rather than wait for other countries to get so far ahead of us that we never catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Dr. Chu took charge of the DOE, he was saddled with a department that was about a decade behind the rest of the world. The DOE was making plans based on inadequate measurements; for example wind power potential was measured at heights and locations that had little bearing on the actual level of energy obtainable with modern technology. It seemed to be totally ignorant of the large 6-MW gearless wind turbines being manufactured in Germany by Enercon. And ignorant of the established hydrogen economy developed by the Danish wind-power pioneer, Poul la Cour in the late 1800s. He made practical use of hydrogen using an electrolyzer powered by wind turbines, and established the world&#8217;s first school to educate wind-electricians. Far more electrical power (and hydrogen) is available to our nation than the DOE estimated. The electrical power can be transmitted farther and with less loss than expected by the DOE by using high-voltage DC transmission to the grid.</p>
<p>The DOE has carried out tests of at least a couple of commercial electrolyzers recently, but that seems to be the limit of progress toward a viable hydrogen economy. Hydrogen, as Poul la Cour realized long ago, is an excellent storage and transmission material. It can be used immediately in existing hydrogen enriched natural gas truck engines, or compressed or made into hydrides for storage and shipping. It can be added to our present natural gas pipelines in increasing amounts as more wind farms are developed.</p>
<p>Our big problem is how to strongly stimulate the Obama administration to the point where they will take action now to implement our own hydrogen economy rather than wait for other countries to get so far ahead of us that we never catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: George Harvey</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-32745</link>
		<dc:creator>George Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Dr. Chu took charge of the DOE, he was saddled with a department that was about a decade behind the rest of the world. The DOE was making plans based on inadequate measurements; for example wind power potential was measured at heights and locations that had little bearing on the actual level of energy obtainable with modern technology. It seemed to be totally ignorant of the large 6-MW gearless wind turbines being manufactured in Germany by Enercon. And ignorant of the established hydrogen economy developed by the Danish wind-power pioneer, Poul la Cour in the late 1800s. He made practical use of hydrogen using an electrolyzer powered by wind turbines, and established the world&#039;s first school to educate wind-electricians. Far more electrical power (and hydrogen) is available to our nation than the DOE estimated. The electrical power can be transmitted farther and with less loss than expected by the DOE by using high-voltage DC transmission to the grid.

The DOE has carried out tests of at least a couple of commercial electrolyzers recently, but that seems to be the limit of progress toward a viable hydrogen economy. Hydrogen, as Poul la Cour realized long ago, is an excellent storage and transmission material. It can be used immediately in existing hydrogen enriched natural gas truck engines, or compressed or made into hydrides for storage and shipping. It can be added to our present natural gas pipelines in increasing amounts as more wind farms are developed.



Our big problem is how to strongly stimulate the Obama administration to the point where they will take action now to implement our own hydrogen economy rather than wait for other countries to get so far ahead of us that we never catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Dr. Chu took charge of the DOE, he was saddled with a department that was about a decade behind the rest of the world. The DOE was making plans based on inadequate measurements; for example wind power potential was measured at heights and locations that had little bearing on the actual level of energy obtainable with modern technology. It seemed to be totally ignorant of the large 6-MW gearless wind turbines being manufactured in Germany by Enercon. And ignorant of the established hydrogen economy developed by the Danish wind-power pioneer, Poul la Cour in the late 1800s. He made practical use of hydrogen using an electrolyzer powered by wind turbines, and established the world&#8217;s first school to educate wind-electricians. Far more electrical power (and hydrogen) is available to our nation than the DOE estimated. The electrical power can be transmitted farther and with less loss than expected by the DOE by using high-voltage DC transmission to the grid.</p>
<p>The DOE has carried out tests of at least a couple of commercial electrolyzers recently, but that seems to be the limit of progress toward a viable hydrogen economy. Hydrogen, as Poul la Cour realized long ago, is an excellent storage and transmission material. It can be used immediately in existing hydrogen enriched natural gas truck engines, or compressed or made into hydrides for storage and shipping. It can be added to our present natural gas pipelines in increasing amounts as more wind farms are developed.</p>
<p>Our big problem is how to strongly stimulate the Obama administration to the point where they will take action now to implement our own hydrogen economy rather than wait for other countries to get so far ahead of us that we never catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: MeMySelfandYou</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-10025</link>
		<dc:creator>MeMySelfandYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.

Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.

The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.



If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E

then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#039;t do it.



O SOLE MEO



This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#039;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.



I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.



We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.



A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.



We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.</p>
<p>Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.</p>
<p>The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.</p>
<p>If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E</p>
<p>then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>O SOLE MEO</p>
<p>This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#8217;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.</p>
<p>I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.</p>
<p>We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.</p>
<p>A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.</p>
<p>We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: MeMySelfandYou</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-32743</link>
		<dc:creator>MeMySelfandYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.

Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.

The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.



If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E

then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#039;t do it.



O SOLE MEO



This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#039;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.



I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.



We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.



A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.



We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.</p>
<p>Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.</p>
<p>The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.</p>
<p>If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E</p>
<p>then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>O SOLE MEO</p>
<p>This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#8217;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.</p>
<p>I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.</p>
<p>We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.</p>
<p>A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.</p>
<p>We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: MeMySelfandYou</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-32744</link>
		<dc:creator>MeMySelfandYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.

Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.

The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.



If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E

then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#039;t do it.



O SOLE MEO



This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#039;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.



I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.



We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.



A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.



We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all write to Obama right now and ask him to scrap the idea of the hydrogen funding today.</p>
<p>Burning one of a number of fossile fuels to make another form of energy is ludicrous, its far too wastefull.</p>
<p>The main problem lies in the internal comustion engine which burn whatever fuel is made because 80 percent of any energy that is burned in it is wasted.</p>
<p>If you use 3 times as much energy to get another, in this case its hydrogen and then burn it in the I C E</p>
<p>then you have a further 80 % loss, its a no brainer from the very start, don&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>O SOLE MEO</p>
<p>This is where we will eventually get our erergy, we just don&#8217;t know how to do it, or should I say we do know how to do it, but not at large enough ammounts to supply our greedy wastefull ways.</p>
<p>I think every penny from fuel profits should be chanelled into finding our energy needs, since the advent of oil our governments have spent nothing but a token amount into finding this technology, they have done ziltch, and time is running out fast every day we expand our population and build yet another truck, car and plane.</p>
<p>We have all the power sources our forfathers had, wind, water and sun, do some reserch into the river that runs past your door or town and see how much energy is flowing away.</p>
<p>A local river here used to have 15 mills in only a mile and a half stretch of its waterway, if every river was plumbed into the grid, we would have thousands of smaller turbines etc working for us, if a few went down no one would notice, localcouncils waste more money every year they could easily build at least one power plant, take a large power station out for a day and there would be utter chaos.</p>
<p>We know where we could help our cause, yet we do nothing, its like banging your head against a wall and expecting it not to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: David in US</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-10024</link>
		<dc:creator>David in US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am saddened to learn in this article that the Obama admin has cut fuel cell research funding, resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy that the hydrogen cell car is 15 or 20 years out, with the resulting diversion to low tech, &quot;short term&quot; (20 years) of battery / electric cars.  I commend this manufacturer for making the technology publicly available.  We should all write to Obama administration declaring that the hydrogen distribution will happen when they require it, similar to requiring X % of green power generation, and X mpg fleet standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saddened to learn in this article that the Obama admin has cut fuel cell research funding, resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy that the hydrogen cell car is 15 or 20 years out, with the resulting diversion to low tech, &#8220;short term&#8221; (20 years) of battery / electric cars.  I commend this manufacturer for making the technology publicly available.  We should all write to Obama administration declaring that the hydrogen distribution will happen when they require it, similar to requiring X % of green power generation, and X mpg fleet standards.</p>
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		<title>By: David in US</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-32742</link>
		<dc:creator>David in US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am saddened to learn in this article that the Obama admin has cut fuel cell research funding, resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy that the hydrogen cell car is 15 or 20 years out, with the resulting diversion to low tech, &quot;short term&quot; (20 years) of battery / electric cars.  I commend this manufacturer for making the technology publicly available.  We should all write to Obama administration declaring that the hydrogen distribution will happen when they require it, similar to requiring X % of green power generation, and X mpg fleet standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saddened to learn in this article that the Obama admin has cut fuel cell research funding, resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy that the hydrogen cell car is 15 or 20 years out, with the resulting diversion to low tech, &#8220;short term&#8221; (20 years) of battery / electric cars.  I commend this manufacturer for making the technology publicly available.  We should all write to Obama administration declaring that the hydrogen distribution will happen when they require it, similar to requiring X % of green power generation, and X mpg fleet standards.</p>
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		<title>By: David Edmeades</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-10023</link>
		<dc:creator>David Edmeades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the thing that I didn&#039;t read. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the thing that I didn&#8217;t read. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Edmeades</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-32741</link>
		<dc:creator>David Edmeades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the thing that I didn&#039;t read. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the thing that I didn&#8217;t read. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Edmeades:



&lt;i&gt;The lightweight Smart car-size vehicle uses hydrogen ... converted from natural gas.&lt;/i&gt;



The conversion from natural gas releases carbon dioxide.



http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-hydrogen-hoax</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Edmeades:</p>
<p><i>The lightweight Smart car-size vehicle uses hydrogen &#8230; converted from natural gas.</i></p>
<p>The conversion from natural gas releases carbon dioxide.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-hydrogen-hoax" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-hydrogen-hoax</a></p>
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