Comments on: Top 10 Low Carbon Footprint Four-Door Sedans http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Thu, 24 May 2012 23:24:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bob http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-7880 Bob Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:38:20 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-7880 > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size "family" sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These "toys" were fine for families in the 1980's, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a "family" sedan. > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size “family” sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These “toys” were fine for families in the 1980′s, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a “family” sedan.

]]> By: Bob http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30008 Bob Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:38:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30008 > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size "family" sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These "toys" were fine for families in the 1980's, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a "family" sedan. > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size “family” sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These “toys” were fine for families in the 1980′s, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a “family” sedan.

]]> By: Bob http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30009 Bob Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:38:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30009 > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size "family" sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These "toys" were fine for families in the 1980's, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a "family" sedan. > How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

Last time I checked, a Toyota Camry was a mid-size “family” sedan, similar in size to the Ford Taurus. These “toys” were fine for families in the 1980′s, and the American family has continued to shrink since then. In the rest of the world, a Toyota Corolla is considered a “family” sedan.

]]> By: Marla http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-7879 Marla Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:46:23 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-7879 All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow. How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow.

How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

]]> By: Marla http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30006 Marla Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:46:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30006 All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow. How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow.

How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

]]> By: Marla http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30007 Marla Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:46:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30007 All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow. How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys? All (or most) ugly, too small, and slow.

How are families supposed to get all the kids, aniamls, and gear in those toys?

]]> By: greendoughnuts http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-7878 greendoughnuts Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:53:11 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-7878 But I can't buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid. No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states. What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions? But I can’t buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid.

No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states.

What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions?

]]> By: greendoughnuts http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30004 greendoughnuts Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:53:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30004 But I can't buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid. No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states. What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions? But I can’t buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid.

No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states.

What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions?

]]> By: greendoughnuts http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-30005 greendoughnuts Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:53:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-30005 But I can't buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid. No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states. What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions? But I can’t buy half of those cars on the list!!! No Honda Insight. No Toyota Camry CNG Hybrid.

No Ford Fusion Hybrid. No Nissan Altima Hybrid in 45+ states. No Honda Civic CNG in 45+ states.

What are the top 10 that I can buy today? More importantly, what can the whole country buy today to save C02 emissions?

]]> By: David Diez http://gas2.org/2009/01/01/low-carbon-footprint-four-door-sedans/#comment-7877 David Diez Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:33:03 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1516#comment-7877 Similar thoughts as Tim on production emissions, which should have been included. I had previously heard the Toyota Yaris was the best in terms of total emissions when accounting for total emissions throughout production and use. This "top 10" analysis leaves much to be desired. Regarding whether it is beneficial to switch to a more efficient new vehicle due to the production emissions associated... it almost always is although the production costs of hybrids are almost certainly underestimated in Tim's post (which he implied early on). Even if the old car is junked, it is better in the long haul to get a significantly more efficient vehicle. But this forgets that most old vehicles are sold to someone who is already looking to get a vehicle of that power/mileage/etc, so the old car isn't wasted. Furthermore, that sold old car may even offset production emissions of the more inefficient vehicle; someone can use an old SUV/guzzler rather than have a new one produced and inefficient vehicles tend to have higher production costs than efficient conventional vehicles. Further comments on new car production considerations: http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~david/abou/commentary.php#new-car-costs Similar thoughts as Tim on production emissions, which should have been included. I had previously heard the Toyota Yaris was the best in terms of total emissions when accounting for total emissions throughout production and use. This “top 10″ analysis leaves much to be desired.

Regarding whether it is beneficial to switch to a more efficient new vehicle due to the production emissions associated… it almost always is although the production costs of hybrids are almost certainly underestimated in Tim’s post (which he implied early on). Even if the old car is junked, it is better in the long haul to get a significantly more efficient vehicle. But this forgets that most old vehicles are sold to someone who is already looking to get a vehicle of that power/mileage/etc, so the old car isn’t wasted. Furthermore, that sold old car may even offset production emissions of the more inefficient vehicle; someone can use an old SUV/guzzler rather than have a new one produced and inefficient vehicles tend to have higher production costs than efficient conventional vehicles.

Further comments on new car production considerations:

http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~david/abou/commentary.php#new-car-costs

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