Comments on: A GM Christmas Carol: The Ghost of Flint Brings Electric Cars http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Thu, 24 May 2012 23:24:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Steven R. Mason http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-7633 Steven R. Mason Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:45:11 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-7633 One of the biggest problems faced by GM is how will Americans keep buying automobiles if we continue to loose jobs and the recession stays strong. Would you go out and buy a new car if you thought your job might be on the line in 2009? Don't believe so. With gas prices down under a $1.50/gallon in Georgia, I believe I will take my chance and drive my 2002 suv for another year and see what is going to happen. A $200.00 dollar a month gas bill is a lot cheaper than a $800-1000.00 dollar a month auto payment. GM got some dollars to last till the early spring, but let's face it. What happens after they burn up this money and come back for more? Is Chrysler still paying their workers in their plants that have been shut down for 4 weeks? If the American consumer cannot afford and will not buy a a new vehicle, due to no jobs and a poor economy, then how long will it take before the final curtain is dropped in Detroit. How about this year? What does the union bosses have on the gutless head of the big 3 in Detroit? The big 3 are about 12-15 years behind the times and will have to make major dynamic changes if they stand even a tiny chance to survive. Take a look around the country. Come down to Dalton, Georgia and look what has happened to the carpet industry. Folks the last order we had was great. One of the biggest problems faced by GM is how will Americans keep buying automobiles if we continue to loose jobs and the recession stays strong. Would you go out and buy a new car if you thought your job might be on the line in 2009? Don’t believe so.

With gas prices down under a $1.50/gallon in Georgia, I believe I will take my chance and drive my 2002 suv for another year and see what is going to happen. A $200.00 dollar a month gas bill is a lot cheaper than a $800-1000.00 dollar a month auto payment.

GM got some dollars to last till the early spring, but let’s face it. What happens after they burn up this money and come back for more? Is Chrysler still paying their workers in their plants that have been shut down for 4 weeks?

If the American consumer cannot afford and will not buy a a new vehicle, due to no jobs and a poor economy, then how long will it take before the final curtain is dropped in Detroit. How about this year?

What does the union bosses have on the gutless head of the big 3 in Detroit? The big 3 are about 12-15 years behind the times and will have to make major dynamic changes if they stand even a tiny chance to survive. Take a look around the country. Come down to Dalton, Georgia and look what has happened to the carpet industry. Folks the last order we had was great.

]]> By: Steven R. Mason http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-29877 Steven R. Mason Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:45:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-29877 One of the biggest problems faced by GM is how will Americans keep buying automobiles if we continue to loose jobs and the recession stays strong. Would you go out and buy a new car if you thought your job might be on the line in 2009? Don't believe so. With gas prices down under a $1.50/gallon in Georgia, I believe I will take my chance and drive my 2002 suv for another year and see what is going to happen. A $200.00 dollar a month gas bill is a lot cheaper than a $800-1000.00 dollar a month auto payment. GM got some dollars to last till the early spring, but let's face it. What happens after they burn up this money and come back for more? Is Chrysler still paying their workers in their plants that have been shut down for 4 weeks? If the American consumer cannot afford and will not buy a a new vehicle, due to no jobs and a poor economy, then how long will it take before the final curtain is dropped in Detroit. How about this year? What does the union bosses have on the gutless head of the big 3 in Detroit? The big 3 are about 12-15 years behind the times and will have to make major dynamic changes if they stand even a tiny chance to survive. Take a look around the country. Come down to Dalton, Georgia and look what has happened to the carpet industry. Folks the last order we had was great. One of the biggest problems faced by GM is how will Americans keep buying automobiles if we continue to loose jobs and the recession stays strong. Would you go out and buy a new car if you thought your job might be on the line in 2009? Don’t believe so.

With gas prices down under a $1.50/gallon in Georgia, I believe I will take my chance and drive my 2002 suv for another year and see what is going to happen. A $200.00 dollar a month gas bill is a lot cheaper than a $800-1000.00 dollar a month auto payment.

GM got some dollars to last till the early spring, but let’s face it. What happens after they burn up this money and come back for more? Is Chrysler still paying their workers in their plants that have been shut down for 4 weeks?

If the American consumer cannot afford and will not buy a a new vehicle, due to no jobs and a poor economy, then how long will it take before the final curtain is dropped in Detroit. How about this year?

What does the union bosses have on the gutless head of the big 3 in Detroit? The big 3 are about 12-15 years behind the times and will have to make major dynamic changes if they stand even a tiny chance to survive. Take a look around the country. Come down to Dalton, Georgia and look what has happened to the carpet industry. Folks the last order we had was great.

]]> By: Nick http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-7632 Nick Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:59:25 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-7632 LOL, very funny. So far we have a lot of summing up and not a lot of concrete happenings. Here's t a new active 2009. LOL, very funny. So far we have a lot of summing up and not a lot of concrete happenings. Here’s t a new active 2009.

]]> By: Nick http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-29876 Nick Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:59:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-29876 LOL, very funny. So far we have a lot of summing up and not a lot of concrete happenings. Here's t a new active 2009. LOL, very funny. So far we have a lot of summing up and not a lot of concrete happenings. Here’s t a new active 2009.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-7631 Tim Cleland Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:00:48 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-7631 "The Chairman provided links to GM friendly articles in the The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal." All were good articles, but I found the last one to be the most profound. The money excerpt: "Understand something: Ford and GM in Europe successfully sell cars that are small but not cheap. Europeans are willing to pay top dollar for a refined small car that gets excellent mileage, because they face gasoline prices as high as $9. Americans are not Europeans. In the U.S., except during bouts of high gas prices or in the grip of a Prius fad, the small cars that American consumers buy aren't bought for high mileage, but for low sticker prices. And the Big Three, with their high labor costs, cannot deliver as much value in a cheap car as the transplants can. Under a law of politics, such truths were unmentionable in last week's televised circus because legislators are unwilling to do anything about them. They won't repeal CAFE because they fear the greens. They won't repeal CAFE's "two fleets" rule (which effectively requires the Big Three to make small cars in domestic factories) because they fear the UAW. They won't hike gas prices because they fear voters." “The Chairman provided links to GM friendly articles in the The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.”

All were good articles, but I found the last one to be the most profound. The money excerpt:

“Understand something: Ford and GM in Europe successfully sell cars that are small but not cheap. Europeans are willing to pay top dollar for a refined small car that gets excellent mileage, because they face gasoline prices as high as $9. Americans are not Europeans. In the U.S., except during bouts of high gas prices or in the grip of a Prius fad, the small cars that American consumers buy aren’t bought for high mileage, but for low sticker prices. And the Big Three, with their high labor costs, cannot deliver as much value in a cheap car as the transplants can.

Under a law of politics, such truths were unmentionable in last week’s televised circus because legislators are unwilling to do anything about them. They won’t repeal CAFE because they fear the greens. They won’t repeal CAFE’s “two fleets” rule (which effectively requires the Big Three to make small cars in domestic factories) because they fear the UAW. They won’t hike gas prices because they fear voters.”

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-29875 Tim Cleland Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:00:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-29875 "The Chairman provided links to GM friendly articles in the The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal." All were good articles, but I found the last one to be the most profound. The money excerpt: "Understand something: Ford and GM in Europe successfully sell cars that are small but not cheap. Europeans are willing to pay top dollar for a refined small car that gets excellent mileage, because they face gasoline prices as high as $9. Americans are not Europeans. In the U.S., except during bouts of high gas prices or in the grip of a Prius fad, the small cars that American consumers buy aren't bought for high mileage, but for low sticker prices. And the Big Three, with their high labor costs, cannot deliver as much value in a cheap car as the transplants can. Under a law of politics, such truths were unmentionable in last week's televised circus because legislators are unwilling to do anything about them. They won't repeal CAFE because they fear the greens. They won't repeal CAFE's "two fleets" rule (which effectively requires the Big Three to make small cars in domestic factories) because they fear the UAW. They won't hike gas prices because they fear voters." “The Chairman provided links to GM friendly articles in the The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.”

All were good articles, but I found the last one to be the most profound. The money excerpt:

“Understand something: Ford and GM in Europe successfully sell cars that are small but not cheap. Europeans are willing to pay top dollar for a refined small car that gets excellent mileage, because they face gasoline prices as high as $9. Americans are not Europeans. In the U.S., except during bouts of high gas prices or in the grip of a Prius fad, the small cars that American consumers buy aren’t bought for high mileage, but for low sticker prices. And the Big Three, with their high labor costs, cannot deliver as much value in a cheap car as the transplants can.

Under a law of politics, such truths were unmentionable in last week’s televised circus because legislators are unwilling to do anything about them. They won’t repeal CAFE because they fear the greens. They won’t repeal CAFE’s “two fleets” rule (which effectively requires the Big Three to make small cars in domestic factories) because they fear the UAW. They won’t hike gas prices because they fear voters.”

]]> By: jcwinnie http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-7630 jcwinnie Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:14:39 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-7630 I thought the 2 school kids on either side in the back seat of Christmas Presentz Hummer, coughing asthmatically, was a nice touch. I thought the 2 school kids on either side in the back seat of Christmas Presentz Hummer, coughing asthmatically, was a nice touch.

]]> By: jcwinnie http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-29874 jcwinnie Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:14:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-29874 I thought the 2 school kids on either side in the back seat of Christmas Presentz Hummer, coughing asthmatically, was a nice touch. I thought the 2 school kids on either side in the back seat of Christmas Presentz Hummer, coughing asthmatically, was a nice touch.

]]> By: Erik van Erne, Milieunet Foundation http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-7629 Erik van Erne, Milieunet Foundation Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:11:39 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-7629 Yes, yes, GM and stories. Her is another interesting one. Who killed the electric car: http://www.stichtingmilieunet.nl/andersbekekenblog/?p=1282 Yes, yes, GM and stories. Her is another interesting one.

Who killed the electric car:

http://www.stichtingmilieunet.nl/andersbekekenblog/?p=1282

]]> By: Erik van Erne, Milieunet Found http://gas2.org/2008/12/24/a-christmas-carol-with-gms-electric-cars/#comment-29873 Erik van Erne, Milieunet Found Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:11:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1489#comment-29873 Yes, yes, GM and stories. Her is another interesting one. Who killed the electric car: http://www.stichtingmilieunet.nl/andersbekekenblog/?p=1282 Yes, yes, GM and stories. Her is another interesting one.

Who killed the electric car:

http://www.stichtingmilieunet.nl/andersbekekenblog/?p=1282

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