Comments on: North Dakota Ethanol Producers are at Risk as Fund Dries Up http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Thu, 24 May 2012 23:24:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Uncle B http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-7390 Uncle B Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:59:29 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-7390 Save the Corn Farmers! Order, from Asia, where our cars now come from anyway, Ethanol-specific engined high performance, high economy vehicles! The Asians will be glad to comply! and The Ethanol, in purest form can easily outperform gasoline any time, when burned in engines designed for it alone! Now, you have a product - Ethanol, A producer at home, the corn farmer, and a consumer - the high performance car buyers!, and you have a win win win for America! they no longer burn imported oil, their engines outlast gasoline ones, they get closer to 80, 90 miles per gallon, and produce little if any pollution! Nice dream! Only in America? not likely so! We are controlled by powerful lobbies, and influence groups, and must never step on "Big Oil"'s feet! Remember: These Bastards buried the EV-1 - a fact documented in the movie "Who Killed The Electric Car" available, free to copy,not to distribute, on this very net! Now, the Bastards will skewer Ethanol, any way they can, so that the price at the pump goes into their shareholders pockets - foreign pockets, and that is precisely what they are paid to do! No Patriotism, no fanfare for environmental causes, no "Save the Farmers" simple ROI facts of American corporatist life in our Capitalist ruled "Ho! Ho! Ho! Democracy!" Save the Corn Farmers! Order, from Asia, where our cars now come from anyway, Ethanol-specific engined high performance, high economy vehicles! The Asians will be glad to comply! and The Ethanol, in purest form can easily outperform gasoline any time, when burned in engines designed for it alone! Now, you have a product – Ethanol, A producer at home, the corn farmer, and a consumer – the high performance car buyers!, and you have a win win win for America! they no longer burn imported oil, their engines outlast gasoline ones, they get closer to 80, 90 miles per gallon, and produce little if any pollution! Nice dream! Only in America? not likely so! We are controlled by powerful lobbies, and influence groups, and must never step on “Big Oil”‘s feet! Remember: These Bastards buried the EV-1 – a fact documented in the movie “Who Killed The Electric Car” available, free to copy,not to distribute, on this very net! Now, the Bastards will skewer Ethanol, any way they can, so that the price at the pump goes into their shareholders pockets – foreign pockets, and that is precisely what they are paid to do! No Patriotism, no fanfare for environmental causes, no “Save the Farmers” simple ROI facts of American corporatist life in our Capitalist ruled “Ho! Ho! Ho! Democracy!”

]]> By: Uncle B http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-29702 Uncle B Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:59:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-29702 Save the Corn Farmers! Order, from Asia, where our cars now come from anyway, Ethanol-specific engined high performance, high economy vehicles! The Asians will be glad to comply! and The Ethanol, in purest form can easily outperform gasoline any time, when burned in engines designed for it alone! Now, you have a product - Ethanol, A producer at home, the corn farmer, and a consumer - the high performance car buyers!, and you have a win win win for America! they no longer burn imported oil, their engines outlast gasoline ones, they get closer to 80, 90 miles per gallon, and produce little if any pollution! Nice dream! Only in America? not likely so! We are controlled by powerful lobbies, and influence groups, and must never step on "Big Oil"'s feet! Remember: These Bastards buried the EV-1 - a fact documented in the movie "Who Killed The Electric Car" available, free to copy,not to distribute, on this very net! Now, the Bastards will skewer Ethanol, any way they can, so that the price at the pump goes into their shareholders pockets - foreign pockets, and that is precisely what they are paid to do! No Patriotism, no fanfare for environmental causes, no "Save the Farmers" simple ROI facts of American corporatist life in our Capitalist ruled "Ho! Ho! Ho! Democracy!" Save the Corn Farmers! Order, from Asia, where our cars now come from anyway, Ethanol-specific engined high performance, high economy vehicles! The Asians will be glad to comply! and The Ethanol, in purest form can easily outperform gasoline any time, when burned in engines designed for it alone! Now, you have a product – Ethanol, A producer at home, the corn farmer, and a consumer – the high performance car buyers!, and you have a win win win for America! they no longer burn imported oil, their engines outlast gasoline ones, they get closer to 80, 90 miles per gallon, and produce little if any pollution! Nice dream! Only in America? not likely so! We are controlled by powerful lobbies, and influence groups, and must never step on “Big Oil”‘s feet! Remember: These Bastards buried the EV-1 – a fact documented in the movie “Who Killed The Electric Car” available, free to copy,not to distribute, on this very net! Now, the Bastards will skewer Ethanol, any way they can, so that the price at the pump goes into their shareholders pockets – foreign pockets, and that is precisely what they are paid to do! No Patriotism, no fanfare for environmental causes, no “Save the Farmers” simple ROI facts of American corporatist life in our Capitalist ruled “Ho! Ho! Ho! Democracy!”

]]> By: Bill in Burleigh http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-7389 Bill in Burleigh Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:51:19 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-7389 I believe VerSun is a South Dakota company. I believe VerSun is a South Dakota company.

]]> By: Bill in Burleigh http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-29701 Bill in Burleigh Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:51:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-29701 I believe VerSun is a South Dakota company. I believe VerSun is a South Dakota company.

]]> By: Mark in Texas http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-7388 Mark in Texas Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:08:30 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-7388 Given the wild ride that oil prices have been on since they dipped below $10 a barrel in the 1990s, which put many US oil producers out of business (making us more dependent on oil imported from unstable parts of the world full of people who hate us) to $140 a barrel this summer and now down to $40 a barrel just a few months later, it is not surprising that some companies are having trouble surviving. As far as the food or fuel argument goes, I would rather see corn turned into subsidized ethanol fuel rather than into subsidized high fructose corn syrup. Ethanol mixed with gasoline makes emissions less harmful to health. High fructose corn syrup added to food makes it more harmful to health. Given the wild ride that oil prices have been on since they dipped below $10 a barrel in the 1990s, which put many US oil producers out of business (making us more dependent on oil imported from unstable parts of the world full of people who hate us) to $140 a barrel this summer and now down to $40 a barrel just a few months later, it is not surprising that some companies are having trouble surviving.

As far as the food or fuel argument goes, I would rather see corn turned into subsidized ethanol fuel rather than into subsidized high fructose corn syrup. Ethanol mixed with gasoline makes emissions less harmful to health. High fructose corn syrup added to food makes it more harmful to health.

]]> By: Mark in Texas http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-29700 Mark in Texas Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:08:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-29700 Given the wild ride that oil prices have been on since they dipped below $10 a barrel in the 1990s, which put many US oil producers out of business (making us more dependent on oil imported from unstable parts of the world full of people who hate us) to $140 a barrel this summer and now down to $40 a barrel just a few months later, it is not surprising that some companies are having trouble surviving. As far as the food or fuel argument goes, I would rather see corn turned into subsidized ethanol fuel rather than into subsidized high fructose corn syrup. Ethanol mixed with gasoline makes emissions less harmful to health. High fructose corn syrup added to food makes it more harmful to health. Given the wild ride that oil prices have been on since they dipped below $10 a barrel in the 1990s, which put many US oil producers out of business (making us more dependent on oil imported from unstable parts of the world full of people who hate us) to $140 a barrel this summer and now down to $40 a barrel just a few months later, it is not surprising that some companies are having trouble surviving.

As far as the food or fuel argument goes, I would rather see corn turned into subsidized ethanol fuel rather than into subsidized high fructose corn syrup. Ethanol mixed with gasoline makes emissions less harmful to health. High fructose corn syrup added to food makes it more harmful to health.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-7387 ChuckL Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:19:24 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-7387 This is a clear example of the falacy of allowing politicians to make technical decisions. They pushed development of a product that was not economically viable without subsidies. A much better way to subsidize is to repeal all taxes on profits for a specified period of time, and below a specific percentage of investment. This way the entrepreneur chooses the product based on analysis of profitability and gets exemption from taxes for the subsidy. The taxpayer gambles nothing and gets the benefits of a viable product that is self supporting. This is a clear example of the falacy of allowing politicians to make technical decisions. They pushed development of a product that was not economically viable without subsidies.

A much better way to subsidize is to repeal all taxes on profits for a specified period of time, and below a specific percentage of investment.

This way the entrepreneur chooses the product based on analysis of profitability and gets exemption from taxes for the subsidy. The taxpayer gambles nothing and gets the benefits of a viable product that is self supporting.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-29699 ChuckL Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:19:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-29699 This is a clear example of the falacy of allowing politicians to make technical decisions. They pushed development of a product that was not economically viable without subsidies. A much better way to subsidize is to repeal all taxes on profits for a specified period of time, and below a specific percentage of investment. This way the entrepreneur chooses the product based on analysis of profitability and gets exemption from taxes for the subsidy. The taxpayer gambles nothing and gets the benefits of a viable product that is self supporting. This is a clear example of the falacy of allowing politicians to make technical decisions. They pushed development of a product that was not economically viable without subsidies.

A much better way to subsidize is to repeal all taxes on profits for a specified period of time, and below a specific percentage of investment.

This way the entrepreneur chooses the product based on analysis of profitability and gets exemption from taxes for the subsidy. The taxpayer gambles nothing and gets the benefits of a viable product that is self supporting.

]]> By: Martin K. http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-7386 Martin K. Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:29:27 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-7386 There are a handful of better, and actually viable, sources of ethanol. Corn subsidies are just keeping these better alternatives down. There are a handful of better, and actually viable, sources of ethanol. Corn subsidies are just keeping these better alternatives down.

]]> By: Martin K. http://gas2.org/2008/12/18/north-dakota-ethanol-fund-is-drying-up/#comment-29698 Martin K. Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:29:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1429#comment-29698 There are a handful of better, and actually viable, sources of ethanol. Corn subsidies are just keeping these better alternatives down. There are a handful of better, and actually viable, sources of ethanol. Corn subsidies are just keeping these better alternatives down.

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