Comments on: Dear GM: Melt Down Your Hummers and Give Us Electric Cars http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Thu, 24 May 2012 23:24:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Gary http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-7267 Gary Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:46:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-7267 Tim, In the 1990's GM was given beteween 8 & 9 BILLION dollars to develope hybrids. What do we, the taxpayers, have to show for it? GM, in the late 1990's bought HUMMER, for what ... 2 BILLION? Now they're paying the piper. It cost GM over ONE BILLION to buy out Olds dealers when they finally shut that waste basket down. The GM board does not get it. Like you, they brag about poor MPG as though it's great. "Hey! Or Guzzler land barges get 19mpg!!!" GM doesn't get it. We don't need land barges, any more than europeans need land barges. Even if we DO need a big truck once every couple years, we can LEASE it ... if and when we need it. Braging about cars getting mpg's in the 20's ?? My God, over 8 BILLION thrown at GM to make a hybrid, and what does GM do? They stuff it in an Escalade? Inexplicable! GM didn't built a 50mpg car, Toyota did. GM should have. GM comes to Congress, tin cup in hand, begging for $$$ and what do they do? They CEO's show up in private jets? And what did GM do with the latest batch of BILLIONS we taxpayers threw at them? ZERO interest, on GM's guzzlers. So, once fuel prices go back up, we U.S. citizens are stuck with cars known for unreliability (see the last decade of Consumer Reports, compared to Asian companies) as well has horrible mileage. The best thing would have been for GM to file bankruptcy, in stead of taking free taxpayer money, and then fileing bankruptcy anyways. What a waste. Tim, In the 1990′s GM was given beteween 8 & 9 BILLION dollars to develope hybrids. What do we, the taxpayers, have to show for it? GM, in the late 1990′s bought HUMMER, for what … 2 BILLION? Now they’re paying the piper. It cost GM over ONE BILLION to buy out Olds dealers when they finally shut that waste basket down. The GM board does not get it. Like you, they brag about poor MPG as though it’s great. “Hey! Or Guzzler land barges get 19mpg!!!” GM doesn’t get it. We don’t need land barges, any more than europeans need land barges. Even if we DO need a big truck once every couple years, we can LEASE it … if and when we need it. Braging about cars getting mpg’s in the 20′s ?? My God, over 8 BILLION thrown at GM to make a hybrid, and what does GM do? They stuff it in an Escalade? Inexplicable! GM didn’t built a 50mpg car, Toyota did. GM should have. GM comes to Congress, tin cup in hand, begging for $$$ and what do they do? They CEO’s show up in private jets? And what did GM do with the latest batch of BILLIONS we taxpayers threw at them? ZERO interest, on GM’s guzzlers. So, once fuel prices go back up, we U.S. citizens are stuck with cars known for unreliability (see the last decade of Consumer Reports, compared to Asian companies) as well has horrible mileage. The best thing would have been for GM to file bankruptcy, in stead of taking free taxpayer money, and then fileing bankruptcy anyways. What a waste.

]]> By: Gary http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-29554 Gary Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:46:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-29554 Tim, In the 1990's GM was given beteween 8 & 9 BILLION dollars to develope hybrids. What do we, the taxpayers, have to show for it? GM, in the late 1990's bought HUMMER, for what ... 2 BILLION? Now they're paying the piper. It cost GM over ONE BILLION to buy out Olds dealers when they finally shut that waste basket down. The GM board does not get it. Like you, they brag about poor MPG as though it's great. "Hey! Or Guzzler land barges get 19mpg!!!" GM doesn't get it. We don't need land barges, any more than europeans need land barges. Even if we DO need a big truck once every couple years, we can LEASE it ... if and when we need it. Braging about cars getting mpg's in the 20's ?? My God, over 8 BILLION thrown at GM to make a hybrid, and what does GM do? They stuff it in an Escalade? Inexplicable! GM didn't built a 50mpg car, Toyota did. GM should have. GM comes to Congress, tin cup in hand, begging for $$$ and what do they do? They CEO's show up in private jets? And what did GM do with the latest batch of BILLIONS we taxpayers threw at them? ZERO interest, on GM's guzzlers. So, once fuel prices go back up, we U.S. citizens are stuck with cars known for unreliability (see the last decade of Consumer Reports, compared to Asian companies) as well has horrible mileage. The best thing would have been for GM to file bankruptcy, in stead of taking free taxpayer money, and then fileing bankruptcy anyways. What a waste. Tim, In the 1990′s GM was given beteween 8 & 9 BILLION dollars to develope hybrids. What do we, the taxpayers, have to show for it? GM, in the late 1990′s bought HUMMER, for what … 2 BILLION? Now they’re paying the piper. It cost GM over ONE BILLION to buy out Olds dealers when they finally shut that waste basket down. The GM board does not get it. Like you, they brag about poor MPG as though it’s great. “Hey! Or Guzzler land barges get 19mpg!!!” GM doesn’t get it. We don’t need land barges, any more than europeans need land barges. Even if we DO need a big truck once every couple years, we can LEASE it … if and when we need it. Braging about cars getting mpg’s in the 20′s ?? My God, over 8 BILLION thrown at GM to make a hybrid, and what does GM do? They stuff it in an Escalade? Inexplicable! GM didn’t built a 50mpg car, Toyota did. GM should have. GM comes to Congress, tin cup in hand, begging for $$$ and what do they do? They CEO’s show up in private jets? And what did GM do with the latest batch of BILLIONS we taxpayers threw at them? ZERO interest, on GM’s guzzlers. So, once fuel prices go back up, we U.S. citizens are stuck with cars known for unreliability (see the last decade of Consumer Reports, compared to Asian companies) as well has horrible mileage. The best thing would have been for GM to file bankruptcy, in stead of taking free taxpayer money, and then fileing bankruptcy anyways. What a waste.

]]> By: ZAP Xerba http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-7266 ZAP Xerba Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:19:06 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-7266 More EVs not more Hummers Hear Hear! More EVs not more Hummers Hear Hear!

]]> By: ZAP Xerba http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-29553 ZAP Xerba Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:19:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-29553 More EVs not more Hummers Hear Hear! More EVs not more Hummers Hear Hear!

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-7265 Tim Cleland Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:49:45 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-7265 "Tim cleland, Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry. You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. " Yes, you're right. The Escape was the first SUV hybrid on the market too. “Tim cleland,

Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry.

You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. ”

Yes, you’re right. The Escape was the first SUV hybrid on the market too.

]]> By: Tim Cleland http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-29552 Tim Cleland Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:49:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-29552 "Tim cleland, Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry. You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. " Yes, you're right. The Escape was the first SUV hybrid on the market too. “Tim cleland,

Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry.

You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. ”

Yes, you’re right. The Escape was the first SUV hybrid on the market too.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-7264 ChuckL Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:23:30 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-7264 How many of those professing the EV to be the do-all end-all of automotive design have actually checked the efficiency when compared to a current design diesel, car or pick-up truck on the basis of the carbon dumped into the atmosphere to actually provide the power for motivation. The power for these poor excuses for performance make them among the most highly polluting vehicles in the world. That could be changed by replacing all of the coal fired power plants with nuclear ones, or by upgrading them to use "stack scrubbers" that really work. Under our current system of "Carbon Credits" which are really "Permits to Pollute", your favorite EV causes a lot of pollution. Why aren't you campaigning for elimination of "Carbon Credits"? Now a small problem with these excuses for automotive vehicles, They simply can not tow a travel trailer at any reasonable speed or for a reasonable distance. I have one of the lightest travel trailers available. It grosses at 4838 pounds. My gas guzzling pickup gets 19 mpg empty and highway. When towing the trailer at only 60 MPH, I am very lucky to get 12 mpg, again freeway without hills. Throw in a few hills and 10 mpg is very good. I can however cover 400 miles easily in a single day. Are there any EV drivers who wish to challenge for capability? or do you only consider those with driving needs or desires that match you own? For your information, I have talked with many other travel trailer owners. They report better mileage than I get with their heavy duty diesel pickup trucks. And if you want good mileage in a car, GAS.2.0 has reported in the past on the European Ford Fiesta that gets 73 Imperial mpg. How many of those professing the EV to be the do-all end-all of automotive design have actually checked the efficiency when compared to a current design diesel, car or pick-up truck on the basis of the carbon dumped into the atmosphere to actually provide the power for motivation. The power for these poor excuses for performance make them among the most highly polluting vehicles in the world.

That could be changed by replacing all of the coal fired power plants with nuclear ones, or by upgrading them to use “stack scrubbers” that really work. Under our current system of “Carbon Credits” which are really “Permits to Pollute”, your favorite EV causes a lot of pollution. Why aren’t you campaigning for elimination of “Carbon Credits”?

Now a small problem with these excuses for automotive vehicles, They simply can not tow a travel trailer at any reasonable speed or for a reasonable distance. I have one of the lightest travel trailers available. It grosses at 4838 pounds. My gas guzzling pickup gets 19 mpg empty and highway. When towing the trailer at only 60 MPH, I am very lucky to get 12 mpg, again freeway without hills. Throw in a few hills and 10 mpg is very good. I can however cover 400 miles easily in a single day. Are there any EV drivers who wish to challenge for capability? or do you only consider those with driving needs or desires that match you own?

For your information, I have talked with many other travel trailer owners. They report better mileage than I get with their heavy duty diesel pickup trucks.

And if you want good mileage in a car, GAS.2.0 has reported in the past on the European Ford Fiesta that gets 73 Imperial mpg.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-29551 ChuckL Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:23:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-29551 How many of those professing the EV to be the do-all end-all of automotive design have actually checked the efficiency when compared to a current design diesel, car or pick-up truck on the basis of the carbon dumped into the atmosphere to actually provide the power for motivation. The power for these poor excuses for performance make them among the most highly polluting vehicles in the world. That could be changed by replacing all of the coal fired power plants with nuclear ones, or by upgrading them to use "stack scrubbers" that really work. Under our current system of "Carbon Credits" which are really "Permits to Pollute", your favorite EV causes a lot of pollution. Why aren't you campaigning for elimination of "Carbon Credits"? Now a small problem with these excuses for automotive vehicles, They simply can not tow a travel trailer at any reasonable speed or for a reasonable distance. I have one of the lightest travel trailers available. It grosses at 4838 pounds. My gas guzzling pickup gets 19 mpg empty and highway. When towing the trailer at only 60 MPH, I am very lucky to get 12 mpg, again freeway without hills. Throw in a few hills and 10 mpg is very good. I can however cover 400 miles easily in a single day. Are there any EV drivers who wish to challenge for capability? or do you only consider those with driving needs or desires that match you own? For your information, I have talked with many other travel trailer owners. They report better mileage than I get with their heavy duty diesel pickup trucks. And if you want good mileage in a car, GAS.2.0 has reported in the past on the European Ford Fiesta that gets 73 Imperial mpg. How many of those professing the EV to be the do-all end-all of automotive design have actually checked the efficiency when compared to a current design diesel, car or pick-up truck on the basis of the carbon dumped into the atmosphere to actually provide the power for motivation. The power for these poor excuses for performance make them among the most highly polluting vehicles in the world.

That could be changed by replacing all of the coal fired power plants with nuclear ones, or by upgrading them to use “stack scrubbers” that really work. Under our current system of “Carbon Credits” which are really “Permits to Pollute”, your favorite EV causes a lot of pollution. Why aren’t you campaigning for elimination of “Carbon Credits”?

Now a small problem with these excuses for automotive vehicles, They simply can not tow a travel trailer at any reasonable speed or for a reasonable distance. I have one of the lightest travel trailers available. It grosses at 4838 pounds. My gas guzzling pickup gets 19 mpg empty and highway. When towing the trailer at only 60 MPH, I am very lucky to get 12 mpg, again freeway without hills. Throw in a few hills and 10 mpg is very good. I can however cover 400 miles easily in a single day. Are there any EV drivers who wish to challenge for capability? or do you only consider those with driving needs or desires that match you own?

For your information, I have talked with many other travel trailer owners. They report better mileage than I get with their heavy duty diesel pickup trucks.

And if you want good mileage in a car, GAS.2.0 has reported in the past on the European Ford Fiesta that gets 73 Imperial mpg.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-7263 ChuckL Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:25 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-7263 Tim cleland, Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry. You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. I guess it is just too hard to look at reality and stop the bashing for non-existent faults. Tim cleland,

Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry.

You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy.

I guess it is just too hard to look at reality and stop the bashing for non-existent faults.

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/12/13/dear-gm-melt-down-your-hummers-and-give-us-electric-cars/#comment-29550 ChuckL Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1389#comment-29550 Tim cleland, Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry. You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy. I guess it is just too hard to look at reality and stop the bashing for non-existent faults. Tim cleland,

Thank you. It is time that someone started telling the truth about the American Auto industry.

You forgot the Ford hybrid SUVs which are also leaders in their class in fuel economy.

I guess it is just too hard to look at reality and stop the bashing for non-existent faults.

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