Comments on: Last Bailout Plea: Chrysler Needs $7 Billion http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BigSteve http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-7032 BigSteve Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:22:27 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-7032 Fascists blame the worker, realists blame the appalling bad management and the awful decisions made with the help of the neocon cabal in Washington over the past 28 years. Help stamp out fascism...arrest the bush cabal and join a union. Fascists blame the worker, realists blame the appalling bad management and the awful decisions made with the help of the neocon cabal in Washington over the past 28 years.

Help stamp out fascism…arrest the bush cabal and join a union.

]]> By: BigSteve http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-29090 BigSteve Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:22:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-29090 Fascists blame the worker, realists blame the appalling bad management and the awful decisions made with the help of the neocon cabal in Washington over the past 28 years. Help stamp out fascism...arrest the bush cabal and join a union. Fascists blame the worker, realists blame the appalling bad management and the awful decisions made with the help of the neocon cabal in Washington over the past 28 years.

Help stamp out fascism…arrest the bush cabal and join a union.

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-7031 Jo Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:26:51 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-7031 Uncle B, if American trade laws put the same kind of taxes on Asian products that the Asians put on American imports, the trade deficit would disappear. As for Clinton and his commie-pinko politics creating the Chinese juggernaut ... Doug has a point ... but there was a Republican Congress there, too, and they should carry some of the blame, as well. I still blame Clinton. ; ) Uncle B,

if American trade laws put the same kind of taxes on Asian products that the Asians put on American imports, the trade deficit would disappear. As for Clinton and his commie-pinko politics creating the Chinese juggernaut … Doug has a point … but there was a Republican Congress there, too, and they should carry some of the blame, as well.

I still blame Clinton. ; )

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-29089 Jo Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:26:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-29089 Uncle B, if American trade laws put the same kind of taxes on Asian products that the Asians put on American imports, the trade deficit would disappear. As for Clinton and his commie-pinko politics creating the Chinese juggernaut ... Doug has a point ... but there was a Republican Congress there, too, and they should carry some of the blame, as well. I still blame Clinton. ; ) Uncle B,

if American trade laws put the same kind of taxes on Asian products that the Asians put on American imports, the trade deficit would disappear. As for Clinton and his commie-pinko politics creating the Chinese juggernaut … Doug has a point … but there was a Republican Congress there, too, and they should carry some of the blame, as well.

I still blame Clinton. ; )

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-7030 Jo Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:23:52 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-7030 Doug, I think I disagree about making GM into the example. Chrysler may have a plan, but they have no product - and what product they do have (with the exception of the new Ram) is either garbage or antique garbage. Chrysler's ENVI dept. has a name (headed by the guy who drove the EV1 program ... albeit straight into the ground, but still), and that's all. They have a battery-pack Lotus, and no budget to add anything to the equation. One of Rolls-Royce's managers once wrote "everything we do to the car adds cost - we must ensure that it also adds value" (something like that - watched it on the History Channel). Chrysler, in this instance, is a clear case of this. I agree that someone should be made an example of - and I think that "someone" should be Wagoner. Doug,

I think I disagree about making GM into the example. Chrysler may have a plan, but they have no product – and what product they do have (with the exception of the new Ram) is either garbage or antique garbage.

Chrysler’s ENVI dept. has a name (headed by the guy who drove the EV1 program … albeit straight into the ground, but still), and that’s all. They have a battery-pack Lotus, and no budget to add anything to the equation.

One of Rolls-Royce’s managers once wrote “everything we do to the car adds cost – we must ensure that it also adds value” (something like that – watched it on the History Channel). Chrysler, in this instance, is a clear case of this.

I agree that someone should be made an example of – and I think that “someone” should be Wagoner.

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-29088 Jo Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:23:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-29088 Doug, I think I disagree about making GM into the example. Chrysler may have a plan, but they have no product - and what product they do have (with the exception of the new Ram) is either garbage or antique garbage. Chrysler's ENVI dept. has a name (headed by the guy who drove the EV1 program ... albeit straight into the ground, but still), and that's all. They have a battery-pack Lotus, and no budget to add anything to the equation. One of Rolls-Royce's managers once wrote "everything we do to the car adds cost - we must ensure that it also adds value" (something like that - watched it on the History Channel). Chrysler, in this instance, is a clear case of this. I agree that someone should be made an example of - and I think that "someone" should be Wagoner. Doug,

I think I disagree about making GM into the example. Chrysler may have a plan, but they have no product – and what product they do have (with the exception of the new Ram) is either garbage or antique garbage.

Chrysler’s ENVI dept. has a name (headed by the guy who drove the EV1 program … albeit straight into the ground, but still), and that’s all. They have a battery-pack Lotus, and no budget to add anything to the equation.

One of Rolls-Royce’s managers once wrote “everything we do to the car adds cost – we must ensure that it also adds value” (something like that – watched it on the History Channel). Chrysler, in this instance, is a clear case of this.

I agree that someone should be made an example of – and I think that “someone” should be Wagoner.

]]> By: Tom D. http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-7029 Tom D. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:01:33 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-7029 I am upset about the idea of giving a bailout to the US automakers becuse it rewards them for what is clearly a lousy business model. If their complaint is that nobody in this economy has the money to buy a car, then instead of giving the money to the auto industry, why doesn't the government just buy cars. More specifically, pay for any household with an income of $100,000 or less to trade in their old gas guzzler and replace it with an Hybrid made by one of the big three. Use a lottery to determine the order they get them in. It will keep the big three in business, the business of making cars, it will fix the environment by getting old gas guzzlers with high emissions off the street and instead of going to executive bonuses, luxury trips and the fuel for the corporate jet, it will put the money in the hands of the taxpayers. I am upset about the idea of giving a bailout to the US automakers becuse it rewards them for what is clearly a lousy business model. If their complaint is that nobody in this economy has the money to buy a car, then instead of giving the money to the auto industry, why doesn’t the government just buy cars. More specifically, pay for any household with an income of $100,000 or less to trade in their old gas guzzler and replace it with an Hybrid made by one of the big three. Use a lottery to determine the order they get them in. It will keep the big three in business, the business of making cars, it will fix the environment by getting old gas guzzlers with high emissions off the street and instead of going to executive bonuses, luxury trips and the fuel for the corporate jet, it will put the money in the hands of the taxpayers.

]]> By: Tom D. http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-29087 Tom D. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:01:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-29087 I am upset about the idea of giving a bailout to the US automakers becuse it rewards them for what is clearly a lousy business model. If their complaint is that nobody in this economy has the money to buy a car, then instead of giving the money to the auto industry, why doesn't the government just buy cars. More specifically, pay for any household with an income of $100,000 or less to trade in their old gas guzzler and replace it with an Hybrid made by one of the big three. Use a lottery to determine the order they get them in. It will keep the big three in business, the business of making cars, it will fix the environment by getting old gas guzzlers with high emissions off the street and instead of going to executive bonuses, luxury trips and the fuel for the corporate jet, it will put the money in the hands of the taxpayers. I am upset about the idea of giving a bailout to the US automakers becuse it rewards them for what is clearly a lousy business model. If their complaint is that nobody in this economy has the money to buy a car, then instead of giving the money to the auto industry, why doesn’t the government just buy cars. More specifically, pay for any household with an income of $100,000 or less to trade in their old gas guzzler and replace it with an Hybrid made by one of the big three. Use a lottery to determine the order they get them in. It will keep the big three in business, the business of making cars, it will fix the environment by getting old gas guzzlers with high emissions off the street and instead of going to executive bonuses, luxury trips and the fuel for the corporate jet, it will put the money in the hands of the taxpayers.

]]> By: Doug http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-7028 Doug Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:32:20 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-7028 Wow irrational much there UncleB? First off you can thank Clinton for the creation of the Chinese juggernaut. He is the one that gave them favored trading status after they dumped millions into his campaign. So save your anti-Bush rhetoric for your other hippie friends and leave the discussions to the educated grownups. No one is trying to get the Big 3 to compete with China, besides they don't sell cars here, they want the big 3 to compete with the Japanese and Korean plants in the US. Wow go watch some more Michael Moore fakeumentaries and leave the rest of us in peace. Wow irrational much there UncleB? First off you can thank Clinton for the creation of the Chinese juggernaut. He is the one that gave them favored trading status after they dumped millions into his campaign. So save your anti-Bush rhetoric for your other hippie friends and leave the discussions to the educated grownups. No one is trying to get the Big 3 to compete with China, besides they don’t sell cars here, they want the big 3 to compete with the Japanese and Korean plants in the US. Wow go watch some more Michael Moore fakeumentaries and leave the rest of us in peace.

]]> By: Doug http://gas2.org/2008/12/03/last-bailout-plea-chrysler-needs-7-billion/#comment-29086 Doug Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:32:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1343#comment-29086 Wow irrational much there UncleB? First off you can thank Clinton for the creation of the Chinese juggernaut. He is the one that gave them favored trading status after they dumped millions into his campaign. So save your anti-Bush rhetoric for your other hippie friends and leave the discussions to the educated grownups. No one is trying to get the Big 3 to compete with China, besides they don't sell cars here, they want the big 3 to compete with the Japanese and Korean plants in the US. Wow go watch some more Michael Moore fakeumentaries and leave the rest of us in peace. Wow irrational much there UncleB? First off you can thank Clinton for the creation of the Chinese juggernaut. He is the one that gave them favored trading status after they dumped millions into his campaign. So save your anti-Bush rhetoric for your other hippie friends and leave the discussions to the educated grownups. No one is trying to get the Big 3 to compete with China, besides they don’t sell cars here, they want the big 3 to compete with the Japanese and Korean plants in the US. Wow go watch some more Michael Moore fakeumentaries and leave the rest of us in peace.

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