If our country is serious about reducing foreign oil dependency ethanol,shows great promise,with technology constantly improving its extrction potential. Just as improvents were made to yield greater gasoline output grom a barrel of oil.Just like any other technology its a building block system to greater yields and uses. At present it is maligned by not having the energy output as gasoline, but that is as one reader stated optimum compression ratios are utilized ethanol fuels, and surely the auto companies know that,they just omit that fact.Current engines with optimal compression ratios could run efficiently up to 50/50 fuel blend without adverse effects, and good fuel economy and low emissions, not to mention at little cost to the manufacurer.Unfortunatly since profit is always on the forefront, solutions will be hard found.

we we have great abilitie and possibilities, too bad greed and profit stands in the way.

Paul Oliveri

If our country is serious about reducing foreign oil dependency ethanol,shows great promise,with technology constantly improving its extrction potential. Just as improvents were made to yield greater gasoline output grom a barrel of oil.Just like any other technology its a building block system to greater yields and uses. At present it is maligned by not having the energy output as gasoline, but that is as one reader stated optimum compression ratios are utilized ethanol fuels, and surely the auto companies know that,they just omit that fact.Current engines with optimal compression ratios could run efficiently up to 50/50 fuel blend without adverse effects, and good fuel economy and low emissions, not to mention at little cost to the manufacurer.Unfortunatly since profit is always on the forefront, solutions will be hard found.

we we have great abilitie and possibilities, too bad greed and profit stands in the way.

Paul Oliveri

Nutritionists tell us that we should have a 4 to 1 ration of omega6 to omega3 but most Americans are at a 10 to 1 up to a 40 to 1 ratio. Most nutritionists don’t even count beef and pork as having any omega3 content. Hence the view of the ‘natural food’ people that animals need to be pasture fed because it is the original photosynthesis cells of grass or algae that produce and contain omega3. The other major lipid missing would then be lysine which is necessary for rapid weight gain. It can be found in the DDG of barley based ethanol so a fairly complete diet can be produced from DDG’s if the right feed stock is used in appropriate proportions.

The total range of products from farm based ethanol needs to be considered and there are some wonderful opportunities out there. The one down side to corn is that high yields are dependent on significant nitrogen fertilization. This can result in runoff damaging streams and our waterways. But there are good ethanol feed-stock plants that can help solve that problem too. Anybody have any information on no till farming and co-cropping?

Nutritionists tell us that we should have a 4 to 1 ration of omega6 to omega3 but most Americans are at a 10 to 1 up to a 40 to 1 ratio. Most nutritionists don’t even count beef and pork as having any omega3 content. Hence the view of the ‘natural food’ people that animals need to be pasture fed because it is the original photosynthesis cells of grass or algae that produce and contain omega3. The other major lipid missing would then be lysine which is necessary for rapid weight gain. It can be found in the DDG of barley based ethanol so a fairly complete diet can be produced from DDG’s if the right feed stock is used in appropriate proportions.

The total range of products from farm based ethanol needs to be considered and there are some wonderful opportunities out there. The one down side to corn is that high yields are dependent on significant nitrogen fertilization. This can result in runoff damaging streams and our waterways. But there are good ethanol feed-stock plants that can help solve that problem too. Anybody have any information on no till farming and co-cropping?

Nutritionists tell us that we should have a 4 to 1 ration of omega6 to omega3 but most Americans are at a 10 to 1 up to a 40 to 1 ratio. Most nutritionists don’t even count beef and pork as having any omega3 content. Hence the view of the ‘natural food’ people that animals need to be pasture fed because it is the original photosynthesis cells of grass or algae that produce and contain omega3. The other major lipid missing would then be lysine which is necessary for rapid weight gain. It can be found in the DDG of barley based ethanol so a fairly complete diet can be produced from DDG’s if the right feed stock is used in appropriate proportions.

The total range of products from farm based ethanol needs to be considered and there are some wonderful opportunities out there. The one down side to corn is that high yields are dependent on significant nitrogen fertilization. This can result in runoff damaging streams and our waterways. But there are good ethanol feed-stock plants that can help solve that problem too. Anybody have any information on no till farming and co-cropping?

They produce pathetically inefficient “FlexFuel” vehicles for the “feel good” crowd. Due to their low compression ratio (approx. 8.5 to 1), these vehicles do not run worth a tinker’s damn on E85, thus perpetuating the myths about ethanol that their Big Oil bedmates find so helpful.

GM’s “Yellow Cap” campaign is another good example of how Detroit bamboozles consumers. If you bought one of their gas guzzlers over the past few years, they send you a cute little yellow gas cap for the GM urban assault vehicle (a.k.a. SUV) you bought, saying “By the way, did you know your vehicle can already run on E85?” This, after all the gas price hikes have taken place.

In other words, the consumer COULD have been running on E85 @ $2.65 per gallon (however inefficiently) the whole time they were having to pay nearly $4.00 per gallon for Big Oil’s product.

Hmmm….collusion, ya think? The two are joined at the hip, why would we expect anything else from these mutant siamese twins.

They remind me of the old Lily Tomlin skit about what her telephone operator character (forgot the name) said “We’re the phone company (inseart Big Oil & Detriot). We don’t care, because we don’t have to!”

Okay, that’s my rant.

CNCMike….I’ve read several of your posts, and it’s clear that you are mechanically saavy. I am developing a business plan to produce E85 powered crate engines. I would really welcome any discussion with you about the effects, pro or con, of ethanol on the engine. Is there some way to communicate off this site, via email?

They produce pathetically inefficient “FlexFuel” vehicles for the “feel good” crowd. Due to their low compression ratio (approx. 8.5 to 1), these vehicles do not run worth a tinker’s damn on E85, thus perpetuating the myths about ethanol that their Big Oil bedmates find so helpful.

GM’s “Yellow Cap” campaign is another good example of how Detroit bamboozles consumers. If you bought one of their gas guzzlers over the past few years, they send you a cute little yellow gas cap for the GM urban assault vehicle (a.k.a. SUV) you bought, saying “By the way, did you know your vehicle can already run on E85?” This, after all the gas price hikes have taken place.

In other words, the consumer COULD have been running on E85 @ $2.65 per gallon (however inefficiently) the whole time they were having to pay nearly $4.00 per gallon for Big Oil’s product.

Hmmm….collusion, ya think? The two are joined at the hip, why would we expect anything else from these mutant siamese twins.

They remind me of the old Lily Tomlin skit about what her telephone operator character (forgot the name) said “We’re the phone company (inseart Big Oil & Detriot). We don’t care, because we don’t have to!”

Okay, that’s my rant.

CNCMike….I’ve read several of your posts, and it’s clear that you are mechanically saavy. I am developing a business plan to produce E85 powered crate engines. I would really welcome any discussion with you about the effects, pro or con, of ethanol on the engine. Is there some way to communicate off this site, via email?