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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-6713</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad, green hype, which is really too bad, because hype is the last thing green needs.



Take a look on the SEC&#039;s site for their audited reports, or even their unaudited 10q...no joy. Also no joy on their own website, which doesn&#039;t even list a name for investor relations. Also no news on the performance or fundamentals of the stock.



Most companies (even hungry micro caps) can run a web site better than this. Under &#039;about us,&#039; though, you can&#039;t even get information that counts about their management! Unless what you wanted to know was the professional NFL highlights of the president&#039;s career, whose qualifications for developing algal oil technology include being involved in &quot;a variety of business ventures&quot;.



Snake oil comes in shades of green, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad, green hype, which is really too bad, because hype is the last thing green needs.</p>
<p>Take a look on the SEC&#8217;s site for their audited reports, or even their unaudited 10q&#8230;no joy. Also no joy on their own website, which doesn&#8217;t even list a name for investor relations. Also no news on the performance or fundamentals of the stock.</p>
<p>Most companies (even hungry micro caps) can run a web site better than this. Under &#8216;about us,&#8217; though, you can&#8217;t even get information that counts about their management! Unless what you wanted to know was the professional NFL highlights of the president&#8217;s career, whose qualifications for developing algal oil technology include being involved in &#8220;a variety of business ventures&#8221;.</p>
<p>Snake oil comes in shades of green, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-29129</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad, green hype, which is really too bad, because hype is the last thing green needs.



Take a look on the SEC&#039;s site for their audited reports, or even their unaudited 10q...no joy. Also no joy on their own website, which doesn&#039;t even list a name for investor relations. Also no news on the performance or fundamentals of the stock.



Most companies (even hungry micro caps) can run a web site better than this. Under &#039;about us,&#039; though, you can&#039;t even get information that counts about their management! Unless what you wanted to know was the professional NFL highlights of the president&#039;s career, whose qualifications for developing algal oil technology include being involved in &quot;a variety of business ventures&quot;.



Snake oil comes in shades of green, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad, green hype, which is really too bad, because hype is the last thing green needs.</p>
<p>Take a look on the SEC&#8217;s site for their audited reports, or even their unaudited 10q&#8230;no joy. Also no joy on their own website, which doesn&#8217;t even list a name for investor relations. Also no news on the performance or fundamentals of the stock.</p>
<p>Most companies (even hungry micro caps) can run a web site better than this. Under &#8216;about us,&#8217; though, you can&#8217;t even get information that counts about their management! Unless what you wanted to know was the professional NFL highlights of the president&#8217;s career, whose qualifications for developing algal oil technology include being involved in &#8220;a variety of business ventures&#8221;.</p>
<p>Snake oil comes in shades of green, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerson Process Management&#8217;s Alan Novak Sets Optimistic Tone for Advanced Biofuels Industry : Gas 2.0</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-6712</link>
		<dc:creator>Emerson Process Management&#8217;s Alan Novak Sets Optimistic Tone for Advanced Biofuels Industry : Gas 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that discouraging outlook does not necessarily reflect the overall state of affairs - and potential for growth - in advanced, second-generation biofuels using non-food [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that discouraging outlook does not necessarily reflect the overall state of affairs &#8211; and potential for growth &#8211; in advanced, second-generation biofuels using non-food [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jaxon</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-6711</link>
		<dc:creator>jaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Permaculture based ethanol for the revolutionaries...</description>
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		<title>By: jaxon</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-29128</link>
		<dc:creator>jaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Permaculture based ethanol for the revolutionaries...</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-6710</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone should just start walking. i mean whats the rush?</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-29127</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone should just start walking. i mean whats the rush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should just start walking. i mean whats the rush?</p>
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		<title>By: LonnieB</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>LonnieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nick (Mr. Celluline) and Jeff. Doug has some valid arguements, as well. A wide spectrum of information is always better than a narrow viewpoint. Thank you, fellas.



My take on the subject of corn-based ethanol is that it is a &quot;bridge fuel&quot;, but not a particularly good one. I believe that we have put our ethanol eggs in the corn basket for infrastructure reasons.

By that I mean the equipment farmers have to grow and harvest the feedstock, the state of technology to distill the fuel and the distrbution network. And so, as a nation, we must resolve ourselves to upgrade and modify the existing infrastructure. Our government should focus on thee re-creation of that infrastucture, more than the sex life of the farting tree bat.

We should focus on the second generation technologies and the use of alternative sources. Perfecting the cellulosic process to produce &quot;celluline&quot; would bust the possibilities wide open. Plant stock such as Jerusalem Artichokes would be an excellent source for this process. They&#039;re weeds in most parts of the country and have limited food interest, but with the cellulosic process could produce as much as 16 times the ethanol per acre than corn, according to some studies.

Another possibility would be to form a partnership with the Dominican Republic for sugar cane, since Brazil doesn&#039;t generate enough ethanol for export to put a seriuos dent in our needs. On a recent trip to the island, I saw thousands of acres planted in cane and thousands more sitting fallow. (They make better cigars than the Cubans now, too _ BTW.)

Something that could have a very positive impact on ethanol availability would be the availability of home distilleries at a reasonable price. The proliferation of these would open up a whole new market opportunity...feedstock suppliers who buy their product directly from farmers and sell at whoelsale prices to the public. I, for one, would be all over this.

I drive a 2003 Mustang Mach 1 with a 10:1 compression ratio. I am planning to converting it to ethanol, someday soon. Distribution and availability are the only things holding me back. They are also holding me back on my plans to start a business producing ethanol-powered crate engines for car enthusiasts.



I guess the answer depends on how much cooperation, or more likely, interference our government will give. That&#039;s the discouraging aspect of it all. Until it becomes a serious vote-getter, I&#039;m afraid that the second generation of biofuels may have to wait until the current generation of politicians either comes on board, gets voted out or dies off. Given the number of career politicians in Washington, it will probably be the latter.



Biofuels may well end up being a &quot;We the People&quot; thing, with local cooperatives and feedstock cartels as the driving force. But rest assured, our government WILL come up with a way to tax that! That is the one thing they are quite adroit at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nick (Mr. Celluline) and Jeff. Doug has some valid arguements, as well. A wide spectrum of information is always better than a narrow viewpoint. Thank you, fellas.</p>
<p>My take on the subject of corn-based ethanol is that it is a &#8220;bridge fuel&#8221;, but not a particularly good one. I believe that we have put our ethanol eggs in the corn basket for infrastructure reasons.</p>
<p>By that I mean the equipment farmers have to grow and harvest the feedstock, the state of technology to distill the fuel and the distrbution network. And so, as a nation, we must resolve ourselves to upgrade and modify the existing infrastructure. Our government should focus on thee re-creation of that infrastucture, more than the sex life of the farting tree bat.</p>
<p>We should focus on the second generation technologies and the use of alternative sources. Perfecting the cellulosic process to produce &#8220;celluline&#8221; would bust the possibilities wide open. Plant stock such as Jerusalem Artichokes would be an excellent source for this process. They&#8217;re weeds in most parts of the country and have limited food interest, but with the cellulosic process could produce as much as 16 times the ethanol per acre than corn, according to some studies.</p>
<p>Another possibility would be to form a partnership with the Dominican Republic for sugar cane, since Brazil doesn&#8217;t generate enough ethanol for export to put a seriuos dent in our needs. On a recent trip to the island, I saw thousands of acres planted in cane and thousands more sitting fallow. (They make better cigars than the Cubans now, too _ BTW.)</p>
<p>Something that could have a very positive impact on ethanol availability would be the availability of home distilleries at a reasonable price. The proliferation of these would open up a whole new market opportunity&#8230;feedstock suppliers who buy their product directly from farmers and sell at whoelsale prices to the public. I, for one, would be all over this.</p>
<p>I drive a 2003 Mustang Mach 1 with a 10:1 compression ratio. I am planning to converting it to ethanol, someday soon. Distribution and availability are the only things holding me back. They are also holding me back on my plans to start a business producing ethanol-powered crate engines for car enthusiasts.</p>
<p>I guess the answer depends on how much cooperation, or more likely, interference our government will give. That&#8217;s the discouraging aspect of it all. Until it becomes a serious vote-getter, I&#8217;m afraid that the second generation of biofuels may have to wait until the current generation of politicians either comes on board, gets voted out or dies off. Given the number of career politicians in Washington, it will probably be the latter.</p>
<p>Biofuels may well end up being a &#8220;We the People&#8221; thing, with local cooperatives and feedstock cartels as the driving force. But rest assured, our government WILL come up with a way to tax that! That is the one thing they are quite adroit at.</p>
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		<title>By: LonnieB</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/19/corn-ethanol-bust-provides-an-opening-for-2nd-gen-biofuels/#comment-29126</link>
		<dc:creator>LonnieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nick (Mr. Celluline) and Jeff. Doug has some valid arguements, as well. A wide spectrum of information is always better than a narrow viewpoint. Thank you, fellas.



My take on the subject of corn-based ethanol is that it is a &quot;bridge fuel&quot;, but not a particularly good one. I believe that we have put our ethanol eggs in the corn basket for infrastructure reasons.

By that I mean the equipment farmers have to grow and harvest the feedstock, the state of technology to distill the fuel and the distrbution network. And so, as a nation, we must resolve ourselves to upgrade and modify the existing infrastructure. Our government should focus on thee re-creation of that infrastucture, more than the sex life of the farting tree bat.

We should focus on the second generation technologies and the use of alternative sources. Perfecting the cellulosic process to produce &quot;celluline&quot; would bust the possibilities wide open. Plant stock such as Jerusalem Artichokes would be an excellent source for this process. They&#039;re weeds in most parts of the country and have limited food interest, but with the cellulosic process could produce as much as 16 times the ethanol per acre than corn, according to some studies.

Another possibility would be to form a partnership with the Dominican Republic for sugar cane, since Brazil doesn&#039;t generate enough ethanol for export to put a seriuos dent in our needs. On a recent trip to the island, I saw thousands of acres planted in cane and thousands more sitting fallow. (They make better cigars than the Cubans now, too _ BTW.)

Something that could have a very positive impact on ethanol availability would be the availability of home distilleries at a reasonable price. The proliferation of these would open up a whole new market opportunity...feedstock suppliers who buy their product directly from farmers and sell at whoelsale prices to the public. I, for one, would be all over this.

I drive a 2003 Mustang Mach 1 with a 10:1 compression ratio. I am planning to converting it to ethanol, someday soon. Distribution and availability are the only things holding me back. They are also holding me back on my plans to start a business producing ethanol-powered crate engines for car enthusiasts.



I guess the answer depends on how much cooperation, or more likely, interference our government will give. That&#039;s the discouraging aspect of it all. Until it becomes a serious vote-getter, I&#039;m afraid that the second generation of biofuels may have to wait until the current generation of politicians either comes on board, gets voted out or dies off. Given the number of career politicians in Washington, it will probably be the latter.



Biofuels may well end up being a &quot;We the People&quot; thing, with local cooperatives and feedstock cartels as the driving force. But rest assured, our government WILL come up with a way to tax that! That is the one thing they are quite adroit at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nick (Mr. Celluline) and Jeff. Doug has some valid arguements, as well. A wide spectrum of information is always better than a narrow viewpoint. Thank you, fellas.</p>
<p>My take on the subject of corn-based ethanol is that it is a &#8220;bridge fuel&#8221;, but not a particularly good one. I believe that we have put our ethanol eggs in the corn basket for infrastructure reasons.</p>
<p>By that I mean the equipment farmers have to grow and harvest the feedstock, the state of technology to distill the fuel and the distrbution network. And so, as a nation, we must resolve ourselves to upgrade and modify the existing infrastructure. Our government should focus on thee re-creation of that infrastucture, more than the sex life of the farting tree bat.</p>
<p>We should focus on the second generation technologies and the use of alternative sources. Perfecting the cellulosic process to produce &#8220;celluline&#8221; would bust the possibilities wide open. Plant stock such as Jerusalem Artichokes would be an excellent source for this process. They&#8217;re weeds in most parts of the country and have limited food interest, but with the cellulosic process could produce as much as 16 times the ethanol per acre than corn, according to some studies.</p>
<p>Another possibility would be to form a partnership with the Dominican Republic for sugar cane, since Brazil doesn&#8217;t generate enough ethanol for export to put a seriuos dent in our needs. On a recent trip to the island, I saw thousands of acres planted in cane and thousands more sitting fallow. (They make better cigars than the Cubans now, too _ BTW.)</p>
<p>Something that could have a very positive impact on ethanol availability would be the availability of home distilleries at a reasonable price. The proliferation of these would open up a whole new market opportunity&#8230;feedstock suppliers who buy their product directly from farmers and sell at whoelsale prices to the public. I, for one, would be all over this.</p>
<p>I drive a 2003 Mustang Mach 1 with a 10:1 compression ratio. I am planning to converting it to ethanol, someday soon. Distribution and availability are the only things holding me back. They are also holding me back on my plans to start a business producing ethanol-powered crate engines for car enthusiasts.</p>
<p>I guess the answer depends on how much cooperation, or more likely, interference our government will give. That&#8217;s the discouraging aspect of it all. Until it becomes a serious vote-getter, I&#8217;m afraid that the second generation of biofuels may have to wait until the current generation of politicians either comes on board, gets voted out or dies off. Given the number of career politicians in Washington, it will probably be the latter.</p>
<p>Biofuels may well end up being a &#8220;We the People&#8221; thing, with local cooperatives and feedstock cartels as the driving force. But rest assured, our government WILL come up with a way to tax that! That is the one thing they are quite adroit at.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cleland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tim, you can not compare ethanol efficiency with gasoline on a gallon per gallon basis. It takes about 55% more ethanol to cover the same distance when it is used in the same engine.&quot;



I agree with you, and I thought that was clear on that in my second post above.  1.0 GGE (gallon gasoline equivalent) of energy is ~1.5 gallons of ethoanol.  They take all that into consideration in the all studies I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tim, you can not compare ethanol efficiency with gasoline on a gallon per gallon basis. It takes about 55% more ethanol to cover the same distance when it is used in the same engine.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you, and I thought that was clear on that in my second post above.  1.0 GGE (gallon gasoline equivalent) of energy is ~1.5 gallons of ethoanol.  They take all that into consideration in the all studies I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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