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	<title>Comments on: Simple Device Invented in 1833 May Lead to Cheap Hydrogen</title>
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		<title>By: Genitron Sviluppo &#124; Lorenz Hinterauer Blog</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-111430</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 13:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night - for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night &#8211; for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-28633</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night - for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night &#8211; for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-28634</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night - for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H2 is a valuable fuel-cellable gas! Gimme enough of it during the day from a home-brew generator, I could keep my wrinlkled old butt warm at night &#8211; for free, off-line by my Post (GRD) great republican depression humanure and compost fed veggie garden! G d is good to provide such amazing secrets to the uber-slothful, sinful and immoral American people! I wonder how large a bank of gadgets like this it takes to provide a practical, usable amount of H2 gas? The fuel price, solar, is free, now what? Maybe some Chinese engineering student can figure it out instead of going to a beer bash, football game, cruise in his sports car or having a sexual interlude with his bitch, or filling out Microsoft applications like the American boys, and we can get some answers? Seems to me going from Solar to H2 in one step might fit many useful circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-6441</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just dumb!

Thermocouples are expensive and inefficient.  Replacing them with standard high power density solar cells would produce several times more power from the same solar collector setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just dumb!</p>
<p>Thermocouples are expensive and inefficient.  Replacing them with standard high power density solar cells would produce several times more power from the same solar collector setup.</p>
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		<title>By: cooler choice</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-6440</link>
		<dc:creator>cooler choice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice device great post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice device great post</p>
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		<title>By: cooler choice</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-28632</link>
		<dc:creator>cooler choice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice device great post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice device great post</p>
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		<title>By: Dreams</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-6439</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome. It might be time to start digging into older scientific archives of everything to see if inventions can be rediscovered with a modern approach to help make the world better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome. It might be time to start digging into older scientific archives of everything to see if inventions can be rediscovered with a modern approach to help make the world better.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreams</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-28631</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome. It might be time to start digging into older scientific archives of everything to see if inventions can be rediscovered with a modern approach to help make the world better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome. It might be time to start digging into older scientific archives of everything to see if inventions can be rediscovered with a modern approach to help make the world better.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/11/09/simple-device-invented-in-1833-may-lead-to-cheap-hydrogen/#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m going to pick on anything in this article it would have to be the headline.  You have deliberately sensationalised a dull and uninteresting event in a shameless attempt to draw more readers to your website.



What actually happened here was a couple of scientists were looking through some old papers with today&#039;s green perspective.  They saw something mildly interesting and speculated whether it could be adapted to be useful by today&#039;s standards.  That&#039;s not worthy of the headline you gave it.



Actually, I&#039;m going to pick on another bit of the article.  20mW is not just small.  It&#039;s minuscule.  Scientists and engineers are known for understating things in conversational articles.  It&#039;s important that you understand this when reading articles written by scientists.

To illustrate just how small 20mW is, we receive roughly 1KW of energy from the sun per square metre.  In order to capture 20mW of electricity using conventional solar panels at 20% efficiency you would need a single solar panel that was 3mm x 3mm.  There is no indication of how large this device is but I&#039;m guessing that it is larger than 3mm x 3mm.  If we&#039;re generous and call it 10cm x 10cm then it has an efficiency of 0.2%.  Daisy chaining enough of them together would cover the earth several times over which is somewhat impractical.



When the scientist summed up at the end of the PhysOrg article, the main point he was making is that we should be getting energy directly from the sun, not that this device was the one that was going to make that goal feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m going to pick on anything in this article it would have to be the headline.  You have deliberately sensationalised a dull and uninteresting event in a shameless attempt to draw more readers to your website.</p>
<p>What actually happened here was a couple of scientists were looking through some old papers with today&#8217;s green perspective.  They saw something mildly interesting and speculated whether it could be adapted to be useful by today&#8217;s standards.  That&#8217;s not worthy of the headline you gave it.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m going to pick on another bit of the article.  20mW is not just small.  It&#8217;s minuscule.  Scientists and engineers are known for understating things in conversational articles.  It&#8217;s important that you understand this when reading articles written by scientists.</p>
<p>To illustrate just how small 20mW is, we receive roughly 1KW of energy from the sun per square metre.  In order to capture 20mW of electricity using conventional solar panels at 20% efficiency you would need a single solar panel that was 3mm x 3mm.  There is no indication of how large this device is but I&#8217;m guessing that it is larger than 3mm x 3mm.  If we&#8217;re generous and call it 10cm x 10cm then it has an efficiency of 0.2%.  Daisy chaining enough of them together would cover the earth several times over which is somewhat impractical.</p>
<p>When the scientist summed up at the end of the PhysOrg article, the main point he was making is that we should be getting energy directly from the sun, not that this device was the one that was going to make that goal feasible.</p>
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