BTW, Some Guy – probably the only way to produce energy that doesn’t burn something (even we burn calories) – would be the perpetual motion machine. I’ve heard there’s something called The Orion Project which claims to come closer than anyone anticipated to that dream. Do we have any updates?

BTW, Some Guy – probably the only way to produce energy that doesn’t burn something (even we burn calories) – would be the perpetual motion machine. I’ve heard there’s something called The Orion Project which claims to come closer than anyone anticipated to that dream. Do we have any updates?

BTW, Some Guy – probably the only way to produce energy that doesn’t burn something (even we burn calories) – would be the perpetual motion machine. I’ve heard there’s something called The Orion Project which claims to come closer than anyone anticipated to that dream. Do we have any updates?

However we know that the xyz car must stop along the way to get a plug in recharge for the batteries. There are obviously more kilowatts going into the energy system than pure gasoline. The real test of the two types of vehicles would be to put 2 gallons of gasoline in each vehicle, drive them non stop until completely out of an energy source and record the distance. Next refuel the vehicles and drive the return trip. For the xyz vehicle, be sure to add the gasoline kilowatts used and the electric recharge kilowatts used because we are going to chart distance traveled to kilowatts used regardless of energy source. Record the return mileage and tally up the results. The longest distance RT wins.

To note the obvious, the bigger the vehicle and the bigger the payload the more energy is needed. Total energy efficiency needs to be over laid on the vehicle type. For equivalent vehicles, consider the following: Dedicated ethanol vehicles such as those used by Scania in Sweden achieve 44% thermal efficiency. An electric vehicle will have a motor efficiency of 90%, a charge/discharge efficiency of 90% and an electric line transmission efficiency of 90% for a total efficiency of 73% (.90x.90x.90). Now where is that electricity coming from? If it is a typical coal fired plant with an efficiency of 60%, the total thermal efficiency of that electric vehicle is 44%. How about that! And you are driving your car on dirty coal rather than clean renewable ethanol. Most light weight vehicles will eventually be electric but they are not the immediate answer.

To note the obvious, the bigger the vehicle and the bigger the payload the more energy is needed. Total energy efficiency needs to be over laid on the vehicle type. For equivalent vehicles, consider the following: Dedicated ethanol vehicles such as those used by Scania in Sweden achieve 44% thermal efficiency. An electric vehicle will have a motor efficiency of 90%, a charge/discharge efficiency of 90% and an electric line transmission efficiency of 90% for a total efficiency of 73% (.90x.90x.90). Now where is that electricity coming from? If it is a typical coal fired plant with an efficiency of 60%, the total thermal efficiency of that electric vehicle is 44%. How about that! And you are driving your car on dirty coal rather than clean renewable ethanol. Most light weight vehicles will eventually be electric but they are not the immediate answer.

To note the obvious, the bigger the vehicle and the bigger the payload the more energy is needed. Total energy efficiency needs to be over laid on the vehicle type. For equivalent vehicles, consider the following: Dedicated ethanol vehicles such as those used by Scania in Sweden achieve 44% thermal efficiency. An electric vehicle will have a motor efficiency of 90%, a charge/discharge efficiency of 90% and an electric line transmission efficiency of 90% for a total efficiency of 73% (.90x.90x.90). Now where is that electricity coming from? If it is a typical coal fired plant with an efficiency of 60%, the total thermal efficiency of that electric vehicle is 44%. How about that! And you are driving your car on dirty coal rather than clean renewable ethanol. Most light weight vehicles will eventually be electric but they are not the immediate answer.

1. Easy to obtain hybrid vehicle for conversion for demonstration purposes.

2. Many drivers prefer SUV’s but are worried about $$$ economy.

3. Shows that if an SUV can get that sort of mileage, then it’s a mute point about the smaller vehicles. Says it all right there with the SUV mpg.

I’m signed up for one when they produce them. We can help force the issue by giving them incentive to go into production for themseleves at least by converting Saturn Vue;s et al…

My money says that the big 3 shouldn’y get ANY bailout $$$ unless they license this technology. They are still foot dragging.

Chico, CA

1. Easy to obtain hybrid vehicle for conversion for demonstration purposes.

2. Many drivers prefer SUV’s but are worried about $$$ economy.

3. Shows that if an SUV can get that sort of mileage, then it’s a mute point about the smaller vehicles. Says it all right there with the SUV mpg.

I’m signed up for one when they produce them. We can help force the issue by giving them incentive to go into production for themseleves at least by converting Saturn Vue;s et al…

My money says that the big 3 shouldn’y get ANY bailout $$$ unless they license this technology. They are still foot dragging.

Chico, CA

1. Easy to obtain hybrid vehicle for conversion for demonstration purposes.

2. Many drivers prefer SUV’s but are worried about $$$ economy.

3. Shows that if an SUV can get that sort of mileage, then it’s a mute point about the smaller vehicles. Says it all right there with the SUV mpg.

I’m signed up for one when they produce them. We can help force the issue by giving them incentive to go into production for themseleves at least by converting Saturn Vue;s et al…

My money says that the big 3 shouldn’y get ANY bailout $$$ unless they license this technology. They are still foot dragging.

Chico, CA