Comments on: Live Online Debate Today: The Auto Industry Bailout http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: S.Smith http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-6253 S.Smith Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:19:35 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-6253 All the U.S. Automakers have tried to do is be good corporate citizens by providing good pay, benefits and retirement to their workers. The problem is not the auto makers, the problem is that the government that would rather get paid by special interests than to do what’s right for the people of this once great nation. The government should have protected manufacturing instead of allowing it to leave the U.S. (Industrial Exodus)which weakens our nation as a whole. Saving the U.S. Auto Industry is a matter of national security. I can hear the “Your Crazies” now but this is how it will play out if the U.S. Automakers are allowed to fail. There will be a massive loss of jobs 3 million plus which will cause the U.S. economy to dive into a death spiral. Without those middleclass jobs the government’s tax base will rapidly decline because the middleclass pays the majority of the taxes. Without that tax money the U.S. will not be able to sustain it’s military which makes fighting 2 wars impossible. The government will reduce it’s federal employee base which will include Homeland Security and that will leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack. Those of you who say that the U.S. doesn’t need manufacturing and that the U.S. employment base will become a service employment based then I ask who will buy those services if there are no manufacturing jobs. All the U.S. Automakers have tried to do is be good corporate citizens by providing good pay, benefits and retirement to their workers. The problem is not the auto makers, the problem is that the government that would rather get paid by special interests than to do what’s right for the people of this once great nation. The government should have protected manufacturing instead of allowing it to leave the U.S. (Industrial Exodus)which weakens our nation as a whole. Saving the U.S. Auto Industry is a matter of national security. I can hear the “Your Crazies” now but this is how it will play out if the U.S. Automakers are allowed to fail. There will be a massive loss of jobs 3 million plus which will cause the U.S. economy to dive into a death spiral. Without those middleclass jobs the government’s tax base will rapidly decline because the middleclass pays the majority of the taxes. Without that tax money the U.S. will not be able to sustain it’s military which makes fighting 2 wars impossible. The government will reduce it’s federal employee base which will include Homeland Security and that will leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack.

Those of you who say that the U.S. doesn’t need manufacturing and that the U.S. employment base will become a service employment based then I ask who will buy those services if there are no manufacturing jobs.

]]> By: S.Smith http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-28397 S.Smith Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:19:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-28397 All the U.S. Automakers have tried to do is be good corporate citizens by providing good pay, benefits and retirement to their workers. The problem is not the auto makers, the problem is that the government that would rather get paid by special interests than to do what’s right for the people of this once great nation. The government should have protected manufacturing instead of allowing it to leave the U.S. (Industrial Exodus)which weakens our nation as a whole. Saving the U.S. Auto Industry is a matter of national security. I can hear the “Your Crazies” now but this is how it will play out if the U.S. Automakers are allowed to fail. There will be a massive loss of jobs 3 million plus which will cause the U.S. economy to dive into a death spiral. Without those middleclass jobs the government’s tax base will rapidly decline because the middleclass pays the majority of the taxes. Without that tax money the U.S. will not be able to sustain it’s military which makes fighting 2 wars impossible. The government will reduce it’s federal employee base which will include Homeland Security and that will leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack. Those of you who say that the U.S. doesn’t need manufacturing and that the U.S. employment base will become a service employment based then I ask who will buy those services if there are no manufacturing jobs. All the U.S. Automakers have tried to do is be good corporate citizens by providing good pay, benefits and retirement to their workers. The problem is not the auto makers, the problem is that the government that would rather get paid by special interests than to do what’s right for the people of this once great nation. The government should have protected manufacturing instead of allowing it to leave the U.S. (Industrial Exodus)which weakens our nation as a whole. Saving the U.S. Auto Industry is a matter of national security. I can hear the “Your Crazies” now but this is how it will play out if the U.S. Automakers are allowed to fail. There will be a massive loss of jobs 3 million plus which will cause the U.S. economy to dive into a death spiral. Without those middleclass jobs the government’s tax base will rapidly decline because the middleclass pays the majority of the taxes. Without that tax money the U.S. will not be able to sustain it’s military which makes fighting 2 wars impossible. The government will reduce it’s federal employee base which will include Homeland Security and that will leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack.

Those of you who say that the U.S. doesn’t need manufacturing and that the U.S. employment base will become a service employment based then I ask who will buy those services if there are no manufacturing jobs.

]]> By: Kurtiss B http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-6252 Kurtiss B Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:46:09 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-6252 If the federal government infuses money into the automotive company's, it will not address the market problem. The infusion will keep the automotive company's afloat, and in turn the automotive company's will keep pumping new vehicles out. But who will be buying them? We already have a over saturated market of automobiles in this country. There are a ton of variables that contribute to the current situation, one of the major overlooked variables is the advancement of technology in the automotive arena. People don't need to purchase vehicles as frequently, and this is hurting the industry the greatest in my opinion. Forget the fuel efficient vehicles, they are quite expensive and the cost of fuel has been dropping significantly, and so will the demand. If the federal government infuses money into the automotive company’s, it will not address the market problem. The infusion will keep the automotive company’s afloat, and in turn the automotive company’s will keep pumping new vehicles out. But who will be buying them? We already have a over saturated market of automobiles in this country. There are a ton of variables that contribute to the current situation, one of the major overlooked variables is the advancement of technology in the automotive arena. People don’t need to purchase vehicles as frequently, and this is hurting the industry the greatest in my opinion. Forget the fuel efficient vehicles, they are quite expensive and the cost of fuel has been dropping significantly, and so will the demand.

]]> By: Kurtiss B http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-28396 Kurtiss B Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:46:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-28396 If the federal government infuses money into the automotive company's, it will not address the market problem. The infusion will keep the automotive company's afloat, and in turn the automotive company's will keep pumping new vehicles out. But who will be buying them? We already have a over saturated market of automobiles in this country. There are a ton of variables that contribute to the current situation, one of the major overlooked variables is the advancement of technology in the automotive arena. People don't need to purchase vehicles as frequently, and this is hurting the industry the greatest in my opinion. Forget the fuel efficient vehicles, they are quite expensive and the cost of fuel has been dropping significantly, and so will the demand. If the federal government infuses money into the automotive company’s, it will not address the market problem. The infusion will keep the automotive company’s afloat, and in turn the automotive company’s will keep pumping new vehicles out. But who will be buying them? We already have a over saturated market of automobiles in this country. There are a ton of variables that contribute to the current situation, one of the major overlooked variables is the advancement of technology in the automotive arena. People don’t need to purchase vehicles as frequently, and this is hurting the industry the greatest in my opinion. Forget the fuel efficient vehicles, they are quite expensive and the cost of fuel has been dropping significantly, and so will the demand.

]]> By: Howie_in_AZ http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-6251 Howie_in_AZ Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:50:24 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-6251 Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven't received any US taxpayer funding? One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles? Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we'll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end. Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven’t received any US taxpayer funding?

One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles?

Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we’ll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end.

]]> By: Howie_in_AZ http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-28394 Howie_in_AZ Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:50:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-28394 Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven't received any US taxpayer funding? One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles? Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we'll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end. Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven’t received any US taxpayer funding?

One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles?

Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we’ll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end.

]]> By: Howie_in_AZ http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-28395 Howie_in_AZ Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:50:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-28395 Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven't received any US taxpayer funding? One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles? Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we'll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end. Wait a minute, The Big Three produce massive SUVs that guzzle gas (yet are immune to gas guzzler taxes) and have very high profit margins but need taxpayer help to build an efficient engine the likes of which are already being produced by Japanese companies that haven’t received any US taxpayer funding?

One of The Big Three had an electric vehicle that people wanted to buy but flat out refused to sell or even lease the vehicle, instead opting to destroy it, yet now needs taxpayer money to fund the creation of hydrogen and/or electric vehicles?

Money for everyone, I say! Bail out the banks that made stupid loans, bail out the auto industry that makes stupid cars! Eventually we’ll all get raises that allow gubment to take more money so it all works out in the end.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-6250 Susan Kraemer Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:47:32 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-6250 Its all my fault. I told everyone not to buy another gasoline car. Their sales are so far off now that GM won't even be able to make it to 2010 and the Volt. I'm so sorry now. Its all my fault.

I told everyone not to buy another gasoline car. Their sales are so far off now that GM won’t even be able to make it to 2010 and the Volt.

I’m so sorry now.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-28393 Susan Kraemer Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:47:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-28393 Its all my fault. I told everyone not to buy another gasoline car. Their sales are so far off now that GM won't even be able to make it to 2010 and the Volt. I'm so sorry now. Its all my fault.

I told everyone not to buy another gasoline car. Their sales are so far off now that GM won’t even be able to make it to 2010 and the Volt.

I’m so sorry now.

]]> By: jpm100 http://gas2.org/2008/10/29/live-online-debate-today-the-auto-industry-bailout/#comment-6249 jpm100 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:40:05 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=1193#comment-6249 "I don’t think the government should intervene in the private sector more than it already has. " Hmmm... Considering Fuel Economy Standard, Emissions Standards, Safety Standards, Workplace Pollution Standards, Workplace Safety Standards, Workplace Hourly Pay/Overtime Rules, Legal Unions, EEOC Requirements, ... Seems the government intervenes an awful lot already, much of it giving a competitive disadvantage to domestic producers. “I don’t think the government should intervene in the private sector more than it already has. ”

Hmmm…

Considering Fuel Economy Standard,

Emissions Standards,

Safety Standards,

Workplace Pollution Standards,

Workplace Safety Standards,

Workplace Hourly Pay/Overtime Rules,

Legal Unions,

EEOC Requirements,

…

Seems the government intervenes an awful lot already, much of it giving a competitive disadvantage to domestic producers.

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