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	<title>Comments on: Lithium Counterpoint: No Shortage For Electric Cars</title>
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		<title>By: Gas 20x &#124; Youkraft</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-112667</link>
		<dc:creator>Gas 20x &#124; Youkraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 06:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lithium Counterpoint: No Shortage For Electric Cars &#8211; Gas 2.0Recently, fellow Gas 2.0 author Anthony Cefali wrote an excellent post questioning the sustainability of lithium-ion batteries into the future due to concerns over the supply of lithium. &#8230; That is, to say, if you double the price, you don&#8217;t double the amount of available resource &#8212; you 5x, 10x, 20x, 100x it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lithium Counterpoint: No Shortage For Electric Cars &#8211; Gas 2.0Recently, fellow Gas 2.0 author Anthony Cefali wrote an excellent post questioning the sustainability of lithium-ion batteries into the future due to concerns over the supply of lithium. &#8230; That is, to say, if you double the price, you don&#8217;t double the amount of available resource &#8212; you 5x, 10x, 20x, 100x it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-5637</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there no mention of the medicinal use of lithium in patients with bipolar disorder? This may seem &quot;trivial&quot; to car enthousiasts who do not have this disease, but lithium is a very effective means to give these patients a much more stable life, which is not only good for them, but for society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there no mention of the medicinal use of lithium in patients with bipolar disorder? This may seem &#8220;trivial&#8221; to car enthousiasts who do not have this disease, but lithium is a very effective means to give these patients a much more stable life, which is not only good for them, but for society.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-27607</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there no mention of the medicinal use of lithium in patients with bipolar disorder? This may seem &quot;trivial&quot; to car enthousiasts who do not have this disease, but lithium is a very effective means to give these patients a much more stable life, which is not only good for them, but for society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there no mention of the medicinal use of lithium in patients with bipolar disorder? This may seem &#8220;trivial&#8221; to car enthousiasts who do not have this disease, but lithium is a very effective means to give these patients a much more stable life, which is not only good for them, but for society.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-5636</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.



Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.



Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber - relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.



If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.</p>
<p>Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.</p>
<p>Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber &#8211; relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.</p>
<p>If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-27604</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.



Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.



Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber - relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.



If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.</p>
<p>Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.</p>
<p>Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber &#8211; relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.</p>
<p>If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-27605</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.



Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.



Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber - relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.



If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideal Fallacies – you are deranged.  If ‘variables’ are ‘unforeseable’ (sic) I fail to see how anyone can be expected to provide a ‘pragmatic argument’ that would ‘carefully consider’ them.</p>
<p>Diamonds are totally irrelevant.  They exist in much lower concentrations, yet are still economic to extract.  Extraction, while it has created some large holes, has no impact whatsoever on ‘mantle and crust convection’, nor is there the remotest risk of this.  Diamonds can be manufactured synthetically, and most ‘industrial’ diamonds are now made this way.</p>
<p>Compared with the other materials required to make a vehicle – more than a ton of steel, aluminum, plastic and rubber &#8211; relatively little lithium would be used.  A 50kWh battery contains about 13kg of metallic lithium.  There is no reason to be unduly concerned about the effect of its extraction.  If it were to be extracted from seawater, the only indication would be a processing plant.</p>
<p>If the world’s population does indeed continue to double every 40 years, we will face many far more pressing problems than finding a supply of lithium for our electric vehicle batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideal Fallacies</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-5635</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideal Fallacies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#039;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#039;s mantle convection...



An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#039;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again... don&#039;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &quot;exploitation,&quot; with a hint of optimism.



Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</description>
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<p>With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#8217;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#8217;s mantle convection&#8230;</p>
<p>An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#8217;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again&#8230; don&#8217;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &#8220;exploitation,&#8221; with a hint of optimism.</p>
<p>Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideal Fallacies</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-27603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideal Fallacies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#039;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#039;s mantle convection...



An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#039;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again... don&#039;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &quot;exploitation,&quot; with a hint of optimism.



Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</description>
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<p>With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#8217;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#8217;s mantle convection&#8230;</p>
<p>An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#8217;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again&#8230; don&#8217;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &#8220;exploitation,&#8221; with a hint of optimism.</p>
<p>Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideal Fallacies</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-27606</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideal Fallacies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#039;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#039;s mantle convection...



An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#039;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again... don&#039;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &quot;exploitation,&quot; with a hint of optimism.



Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</description>
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<p>With that same reasoning I can say that because there are extreme quantities of diamond deposits below Earth&#8217;s crust we should mass extract diamond from the mantle without considering the impact it might have on the crust and Earth&#8217;s mantle convection&#8230;</p>
<p>An ideal fallacy, for lack of a better word. Don&#8217;t mean to be too critical, but you fail to provide a pragmatic argument that would carefully consider unforseable variables arising from such massive exploitation of natural resources (assuming such technology was tangible). Also taking into consideration world population which doubles every 4 decades. Again&#8230; don&#8217;t mean to sound overtly critical, but you indirectly gave a whole new meaning to the word &#8220;exploitation,&#8221; with a hint of optimism.</p>
<p>Good article over all, but do approach counter arguments with realistic/practical considerations. In retrospect, Antoni Cefali had every right to be wary (which is a sign of a healthy mind), but not neurotic.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/10/13/lithium-counterpoint-no-shortage-for-electric-cars/#comment-5634</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.  One minor point:  I think &#039;magnesium-&#039; should be &#039;manganese-based spinel batteries&#039;, although a variety of transition metals and other elements are used to substitute for cobalt in various crystalline structures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.  One minor point:  I think &#8216;magnesium-&#8217; should be &#8216;manganese-based spinel batteries&#8217;, although a variety of transition metals and other elements are used to substitute for cobalt in various crystalline structures.</p>
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