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Published on October 7th, 2008 | by Nick Chambers

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How Much Oil is Actually Left On This Planet? Should We Care?

Editor’s Note: I’m in Houston, TX, this week, celebrating the International Year of the Planet by posting on topics covered at the first ever joint meeting between the American societies of Soil Science, Geology, Crop Science and Agronomy. With a significant focus on biofuels, this conference should be rife with interesting materials.

According to Dr. Peter McCabe, a world-renowned scientist currently working at CSIRO in Australia, any realistic analysis of future energy sources can only conclude that, barring some complete and miraculous harmony between all the world’s economic superpowers, fossil fuels will dominate our energy mix for at least the next few decades — and we should just accept it.

To get a perspective on where Dr. McCabe is coming from, it struck me that he is a man who thinks in terms of quadrillions of BTUs and exajoules of energy. His views come from an analysis of global markets and global energy use. To him it probably seems that a grassroots coordinated global effort is beyond the reach of humanity.

Being a bit of a realistic skeptic myself, it seemed like it would be worth my while to temporarily suspend my deep held belief that not only is it possible for the U.S. and most of the rest of the world to kick its oil habit within a decade, but also a simple requirement for survival, and take Dr. McCabe at face value.

You see, to me all issues are local and don’t work on a global scale. Indeed, local efforts often end up with global results. But the top-down mentality, the self-same mentality that often results in humans thinking that a particular task is beyond reach, is what precludes a person who deals in exajoules from thinking that global change is possible in a short period of time.

With that said, Dr. McCabe does have some significant food for thought. Since 1980, world energy use has gone from 250 quadrillion BTUs to about 500 quadrillion BTUs presently (see chart at right, click for larger copy). The vast majority of that growth has been in Asia, with smaller amounts coming from North America and the Middle East. Europe’s energy demand has remained rather static and Eurasia has actually seen a decline in use since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Of the 500 quadrillion BTUs the world currently uses, roughly 40% comes from oil, 24% from natural gas, 22% from coal, 8% from nuclear, and 6% from renewables (see chart below, click for larger copy). In a way, I can see Dr. McCabe’s point: with 86% of 500 quadrillion BTUs coming from fossil fuels, it’s hard to envision a way to replace that much energy with renewable sources in a short period of time. 430 quadrillion BTUs is, to me, an unimaginably large amount.

So, if Dr. McCabe is right, will the world have enough fossil fuels to keep up with demand? If we can’t completely switch to renewable energy sources for at least another 30 years (and assuming climate change doesn’t kill us off first) will the problem of peak oil rear it’s ugly head and kill us off anyways?

According to McCabe, in a nutshell the peak oil concept is fundamentally flawed because it doesn’t account for external factors.

The way he sees it, the world has plenty of remaining and untapped fossil fuel resources to keep up with demand for at least the next 30 years. From squeezing oil out of unconventional sources such as oil shales, to using new technologies to re-exploit old oil fields that had since been left as dead, to undiscovered conventional oil sources, Dr. McCabe’s opinion is that there is no impending peak oil crisis – and the same thing goes for natural gas and coal.

So, hooray. Score one for fossil fuels. But is this really good news? In some sadistic and drastic way, part of me hopes that Dr. McCabe is wrong — because if he’s right, I’m afraid it will provide no incentive to the world to make the changes that are necessary to ensure the survival of humanity.

Other Posts From the Joint Meeting in Houston:

Opening Image Credit: W.M. Norton, publisher of the Book “Out of Gas: The End of the Age of Oil” by David Goodstein




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  • http://www.alfin2300.blogspot.com Alice Finsterhaven

    I consider McCabe to be exactly right about the timescale of at least 30 years to convert from mostly fossil fuels to at least half renewables. More likely it will take 50 years to get to half renewables, unless a horrific human dieoff.org occurs.

    It’s true that most university graduates simultaneously believe in peak oil and anthropogenic climate catastrophe. But most experts in climate and oil reserves believe in neither. McCabe is a lot smarter on the topic than Simmons or Kuntsler or the other hucksters.

  • http://www.alfin2300.blogspot.com Alice Finsterhaven

    I consider McCabe to be exactly right about the timescale of at least 30 years to convert from mostly fossil fuels to at least half renewables. More likely it will take 50 years to get to half renewables, unless a horrific human dieoff.org occurs.

    It’s true that most university graduates simultaneously believe in peak oil and anthropogenic climate catastrophe. But most experts in climate and oil reserves believe in neither. McCabe is a lot smarter on the topic than Simmons or Kuntsler or the other hucksters.

  • Pierre

    If you really believe that the world or even just the US can switch to renewable energy in less than a decade, you’re a nutcase.

  • Pierre

    If you really believe that the world or even just the US can switch to renewable energy in less than a decade, you’re a nutcase.

  • Mike Bentley

    We currently have no sensible replacement fuels for heavy trucks, tankers, aircraft, bulldozers. Abandoning fossil fuels entirely is just talk until we figure out what we replace them with. But I believe it is good talk.

    If you anticipate having to migrate away from fossil fuels, perhaps in several decades, it is both appropriate and sensible to start working on replacement technology now.

    Who knows, the new stuff might be much more economic and green than the old, two good reasons to change.

    Also, it may not be so obvious in the US, which has a huge infrastructure that supports using fossil fuels, but several other countries do not have to go that way. They can choose which path to follow.

    You don’t want to have to be forced into doing anything. You do want to anticipate and prepare well in advance.

  • Mike Bentley

    We currently have no sensible replacement fuels for heavy trucks, tankers, aircraft, bulldozers. Abandoning fossil fuels entirely is just talk until we figure out what we replace them with. But I believe it is good talk.

    If you anticipate having to migrate away from fossil fuels, perhaps in several decades, it is both appropriate and sensible to start working on replacement technology now.

    Who knows, the new stuff might be much more economic and green than the old, two good reasons to change.

    Also, it may not be so obvious in the US, which has a huge infrastructure that supports using fossil fuels, but several other countries do not have to go that way. They can choose which path to follow.

    You don’t want to have to be forced into doing anything. You do want to anticipate and prepare well in advance.

  • Nick Chambers

    Pierre,

    Color me a nutcase then.

  • Capt Korn

    Ensure the survival of humanity. Replace fossil fuels in 10 years. Just childish baloney. Get a grip. There will be plenty of energy of all types “for ever”. All the various energy forms of today and tomorrow will be employed as needed so as to cover the base so to speak. Energy and global air quality will work themselves out over the next 50 years organically. These will not be what kills off the human race they are but quality of life issues.

  • Capt Korn

    Ensure the survival of humanity. Replace fossil fuels in 10 years. Just childish baloney. Get a grip. There will be plenty of energy of all types “for ever”. All the various energy forms of today and tomorrow will be employed as needed so as to cover the base so to speak. Energy and global air quality will work themselves out over the next 50 years organically. These will not be what kills off the human race they are but quality of life issues.

  • Jason

    Did McCabe get his stats from OPEC and have they been verified as factual amounts for the remaining reserves? Or are they just the same inflated figures used by OPEC to cheat there quotas? We will know for certain how much oil remains if there was an independant audit of the world’s oil reserves rather than just relying on bullshit figures put out by corrupt OPEC governements.

    Peak oil seems to be here already, with production at 85mbd for the past few years. McCabe also seems to have forgotten to mention the huge amounts of water, energy and costs involved in both tar sands and shale extraction. Hoping for some “pulp sci-fi” techno-fix to get us out of the oil peak mess is delusional thinking at its worst.

    Also for the morons who think that we have 30 or 40 years worth of oil left. I suggest reading the whole statement. Its “30 years AT CURRENT PRODUCTION LEVELS”, that is 30 years if production sits at 85mbd. Less if production increases and longer if it falls.

  • Jason

    Did McCabe get his stats from OPEC and have they been verified as factual amounts for the remaining reserves? Or are they just the same inflated figures used by OPEC to cheat there quotas? We will know for certain how much oil remains if there was an independant audit of the world’s oil reserves rather than just relying on bullshit figures put out by corrupt OPEC governements.

    Peak oil seems to be here already, with production at 85mbd for the past few years. McCabe also seems to have forgotten to mention the huge amounts of water, energy and costs involved in both tar sands and shale extraction. Hoping for some “pulp sci-fi” techno-fix to get us out of the oil peak mess is delusional thinking at its worst.

    Also for the morons who think that we have 30 or 40 years worth of oil left. I suggest reading the whole statement. Its “30 years AT CURRENT PRODUCTION LEVELS”, that is 30 years if production sits at 85mbd. Less if production increases and longer if it falls.

  • Nick Chambers

    Capt Korn,

    Is it childish to bet on a future that protects the survival of humanity as we know it regardless of whether or not your opinions are right, or is it childish to carry on just like we are now when, if your opinions are wrong, we will end up in a world of hurt that threatens even the very existence of civilization?

  • ChuckL

    The idea that we can not have at lease the United States on renewable fuel by 2109 is only true if we are dumb enough to believe it. Biodiesel from algae could replace all of our petrofuel within that time, if we start now to do so. What is needed is the will and the ability to prevent the so called environmentalists and the “save the salmonella” groups from stopping the progress. Methane, the most common component of natural gas is easily manufactured and there are already conversion kits on the market for converting gasoline and diesel powered vehicles to use compressed natural gas. The USAF already has certified a large part of its fleet to fly using a 50% mixture of JP8 and 50% synthetic paraffinic kerosene. This fuel is also used for all ground support equipment already. They are working on full synthetic fuel. There are 2 different groups of airlines and aircraft manufacturers working on a full synthetic fuel for airline use.

    WE can be sure that the capability to do the change is well under development. The time could be shorter than anyone expects. I see the biggest problem as convincing people who have not been near a new diesel pickup to using diesel engines in their cars. (For what is possible there run an internet search for “Jaguar XF2.7D test reports”. ) These capabilities can easily tide us over until we no longer need any petrofuel.

    We should also consider that the algae which would be used for biodiesel also has a voracious appetite for CO2, and gives off as a by product large quantities of O2. The remaining algae can be used as fodder, fertilizer, or feed stock for celulastic methanol.

    Batteries will surely continue to get better and better. Electric cars are coming and these biofuels will surely provide a great bridge as well as continued use where appropriate for a long time after.

  • ChuckL

    The idea that we can not have at lease the United States on renewable fuel by 2109 is only true if we are dumb enough to believe it. Biodiesel from algae could replace all of our petrofuel within that time, if we start now to do so. What is needed is the will and the ability to prevent the so called environmentalists and the “save the salmonella” groups from stopping the progress. Methane, the most common component of natural gas is easily manufactured and there are already conversion kits on the market for converting gasoline and diesel powered vehicles to use compressed natural gas. The USAF already has certified a large part of its fleet to fly using a 50% mixture of JP8 and 50% synthetic paraffinic kerosene. This fuel is also used for all ground support equipment already. They are working on full synthetic fuel. There are 2 different groups of airlines and aircraft manufacturers working on a full synthetic fuel for airline use.

    WE can be sure that the capability to do the change is well under development. The time could be shorter than anyone expects. I see the biggest problem as convincing people who have not been near a new diesel pickup to using diesel engines in their cars. (For what is possible there run an internet search for “Jaguar XF2.7D test reports”. ) These capabilities can easily tide us over until we no longer need any petrofuel.

    We should also consider that the algae which would be used for biodiesel also has a voracious appetite for CO2, and gives off as a by product large quantities of O2. The remaining algae can be used as fodder, fertilizer, or feed stock for celulastic methanol.

    Batteries will surely continue to get better and better. Electric cars are coming and these biofuels will surely provide a great bridge as well as continued use where appropriate for a long time after.

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  • ChuckL

    Error correction!! That date of 2109 is supposed to be “2019”. And the ninth word is supposed to be “least”

    Sorry about that, spell checkers just don’t proof read.

  • ChuckL

    Error correction!! That date of 2109 is supposed to be “2019”. And the ninth word is supposed to be “least”

    Sorry about that, spell checkers just don’t proof read.

  • peaknik

    As usual a “scientist” concludes something like that by just looking at a part of the data, i.e. total size of reserves. He has completely ignored extraction rates, net energy produced and cost of production. The conclusion is therefore utter nonsense.

  • peaknik

    As usual a “scientist” concludes something like that by just looking at a part of the data, i.e. total size of reserves. He has completely ignored extraction rates, net energy produced and cost of production. The conclusion is therefore utter nonsense.

  • Wisco

    I am informed that there are massive methane reserves on the moons circling Jupiter. If we begin building the pipeline today…

  • Wisco

    I am informed that there are massive methane reserves on the moons circling Jupiter. If we begin building the pipeline today…

  • michael Bryant

    I don’t how long it will take to make the switch. I just know we need to start now.

  • michael Bryant

    I don’t how long it will take to make the switch. I just know we need to start now.

  • trevor

    I think this article misses the main point on peak oil.

    It’s my opininion that the cost of extraction will be the factor that dramatically changes our lives, not a sudden drop in supply even though that may occur as well.

    The fact that we are talking about extracting from tar sands and deep water drilling shows that the cheap accessible forms of oil have “peaked” and have been in decline for a while. I read that one of those deep water rigs can cost $500,000 a day to operate.

    McCabe may be right that there are oil reserves yet to be tapped but he does not address the cost involved in tapping those sources and how that will affect our society.

    What will it cost to extract a barrel of oil in 10 years and how will that translate into a tank of gasoline?

  • trevor

    I think this article misses the main point on peak oil.

    It’s my opininion that the cost of extraction will be the factor that dramatically changes our lives, not a sudden drop in supply even though that may occur as well.

    The fact that we are talking about extracting from tar sands and deep water drilling shows that the cheap accessible forms of oil have “peaked” and have been in decline for a while. I read that one of those deep water rigs can cost $500,000 a day to operate.

    McCabe may be right that there are oil reserves yet to be tapped but he does not address the cost involved in tapping those sources and how that will affect our society.

    What will it cost to extract a barrel of oil in 10 years and how will that translate into a tank of gasoline?

  • Tom Curtin

    I think that the occasional supply/discovery/demand discontinuities will supply sufficient incentive for the world to move to a more efficient model without us having to sink to Mad Max levels.

    I wonder though, given the hydrocarbon seas on Titan and other outer moons, why is it that we assume that the only hydrocarbon fuels we have are fossil fuels…

  • Tom Curtin

    I think that the occasional supply/discovery/demand discontinuities will supply sufficient incentive for the world to move to a more efficient model without us having to sink to Mad Max levels.

    I wonder though, given the hydrocarbon seas on Titan and other outer moons, why is it that we assume that the only hydrocarbon fuels we have are fossil fuels…

  • Jim james

    It really makes you wonder doesnt it

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  • Jim james

    It really makes you wonder doesnt it

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  • George T Georgie

    So you want us to run out now so we can find a solution more quickly? So then I assume that you doubt that in 30 years we will be able to find a solution? This makes no sense at all. When we are close to running out of oil, there will be dozens of other options available to us… the market will drive such innovation that we will be flooded with alternative energy solutions.

    Today, energy costs are still too low for anyone to invest enough to create good competitive alternatives.

  • George T Georgie

    So you want us to run out now so we can find a solution more quickly? So then I assume that you doubt that in 30 years we will be able to find a solution? This makes no sense at all. When we are close to running out of oil, there will be dozens of other options available to us… the market will drive such innovation that we will be flooded with alternative energy solutions.

    Today, energy costs are still too low for anyone to invest enough to create good competitive alternatives.

  • Dale

    I work in the oil business. I started out in the UK North Sea in 1980 because it was the new oil boom area. 20 years later I left cause the oil had all run out. I next moved to Indonesia in 2000 as it was an OPEC member and had lot’s of oil. In 2004 I left Indonesia because they had run out of oil, left OPEC and now import. Now I work in Malaysia because (you getting the drift yet) they are an OPEC member and had lot’s of oil. Sadly in 2008, the oil’s running out and I’m off to ????. My simplistic answer: cut down USA, you consume far more than your fair share. Expolit the oil sands, tar shale and natural gas to the max. Push full steam ahead (steam too) on alternate energy sources, I like wave power and bio mass retrieval. Finally,get ready for wood stoves, the barter system and a balancing of nature.

  • Dale

    I work in the oil business. I started out in the UK North Sea in 1980 because it was the new oil boom area. 20 years later I left cause the oil had all run out. I next moved to Indonesia in 2000 as it was an OPEC member and had lot’s of oil. In 2004 I left Indonesia because they had run out of oil, left OPEC and now import. Now I work in Malaysia because (you getting the drift yet) they are an OPEC member and had lot’s of oil. Sadly in 2008, the oil’s running out and I’m off to ????. My simplistic answer: cut down USA, you consume far more than your fair share. Expolit the oil sands, tar shale and natural gas to the max. Push full steam ahead (steam too) on alternate energy sources, I like wave power and bio mass retrieval. Finally,get ready for wood stoves, the barter system and a balancing of nature.

  • Oreo Magnificant

    Peacenik:

    Wer you there? Why are you making such an assertion? Do you think this expert is an even shallower fool than you are, reeling off obvious factors as if you have some great insight into th problem. Furthermore, by relying on just the Nickster here you are relying completely on “received wisdom”.

    Try understanding that although everything lookssimple to the uniformed (sort of like science looks easy when we get together for a few drinks, and then a few more…). On Monday, Reality bites back.

    Try doing a little work technically youurself, instead of glib rants.

    Nick, you wrote:

    Capt Korn,

    Is it childish to bet on a future that protects the survival of humanity as we know it regardless of whether or not your opinions are right, or is it childish to carry on just like we are now when, if your opinions are wrong, we will end up in a world of hurt that threatens even the very existence of civilization?

    What the hell are you talking about? The “protection” you are talking about is a preference, YOURS. There are no doubt a plethora of tin-hats who equally believe in other catastrophes that could befall our existence. investing hugely in unproved nonsense, simply because it sounds good, like loony “anthropomorphic” GW caused by miniscule human CO2 contributions. Cripes. It’s the sun, stupid (all of you) plus the biggest greenhouse gas, water vapor, and it is measurable, not some crank hysteria that feeds marxist agendas and fat clowns in it for money. Basing vast programs on nonsense is nonsense. Planning for invitable climatic changes that happen regularly is not.

    But wait!…The sky is falling! I need a huge grant for my new NGO to invent some huge ropes, balloons and Skyhooks right away.

    Jezzuzzz.

  • Oreo Magnificant

    Peacenik:

    Wer you there? Why are you making such an assertion? Do you think this expert is an even shallower fool than you are, reeling off obvious factors as if you have some great insight into th problem. Furthermore, by relying on just the Nickster here you are relying completely on “received wisdom”.

    Try understanding that although everything lookssimple to the uniformed (sort of like science looks easy when we get together for a few drinks, and then a few more…). On Monday, Reality bites back.

    Try doing a little work technically youurself, instead of glib rants.

    Nick, you wrote:

    Capt Korn,

    Is it childish to bet on a future that protects the survival of humanity as we know it regardless of whether or not your opinions are right, or is it childish to carry on just like we are now when, if your opinions are wrong, we will end up in a world of hurt that threatens even the very existence of civilization?

    What the hell are you talking about? The “protection” you are talking about is a preference, YOURS. There are no doubt a plethora of tin-hats who equally believe in other catastrophes that could befall our existence. investing hugely in unproved nonsense, simply because it sounds good, like loony “anthropomorphic” GW caused by miniscule human CO2 contributions. Cripes. It’s the sun, stupid (all of you) plus the biggest greenhouse gas, water vapor, and it is measurable, not some crank hysteria that feeds marxist agendas and fat clowns in it for money. Basing vast programs on nonsense is nonsense. Planning for invitable climatic changes that happen regularly is not.

    But wait!…The sky is falling! I need a huge grant for my new NGO to invent some huge ropes, balloons and Skyhooks right away.

    Jezzuzzz.

  • Nick Chambers

    Well, Oreo Magnificant, what the hell are you talking about? My point is simple. Imagine you are betting on our future survival.

    In the first option the premise of global warming is false and we do nothing: the result is that everything is fine. No harm done. Nobody had to pay any extra price.

    In the second option global warming is real and we don’t do anything and we’re screwed. We die off in massive numbers and we end up living like cavemen.

    In the third option global warming is real and we do something about it and we’re saved. The world has beared the burden in a hefty way from costs associated with mitigation, but we can continue to exist as a civilization.

    In the fourth option global warming is false and we do something about it and the world would have been fine without out it but we’re okay anyways. We have beared a large cost for apparently no reason, but in the long run it makes no difference because we’ve changed society in such a way that we have brand new sources of income, we don’t sell ourselves to the highest foreign bidders, and our environment is better off.

    If you are a better, the safe bets are either option three or option four in which we do something about global warming regardless of whether it’s real or not. Arguing about whether it’s real or false is a dead end. The real point is that we need to do something about it regardless of whether it’s real or not.

    See this video for a more detailed version of my explanation. I stole it from there.

  • Blue Eyed Indian

    Peaknik-Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. People who have worked in the oilfields for some time know there is much more oil out there than some so-called experts think there is. And Nick, you are indeed a dreaming,childish nutcase.

  • http://www.dare2believe.com tom desrosier

    All things being equal, we might be hooked on fossil fuel as longs as you say – but the United States might not tolerate such a notion and work faster to extracate ourselves from oil.

    We’ll see.

    Tom Desrosier

    http://www.dare2believe.com

  • Blue Eyed Indian

    Peaknik-Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. People who have worked in the oilfields for some time know there is much more oil out there than some so-called experts think there is. And Nick, you are indeed a dreaming,childish nutcase.

  • http://www.dare2believe.com tom desrosier

    All things being equal, we might be hooked on fossil fuel as longs as you say – but the United States might not tolerate such a notion and work faster to extracate ourselves from oil.

    We’ll see.

    Tom Desrosier

    http://www.dare2believe.com

  • http://coyoteatthedogshow.blogspot.com/ Swen Swenson

    Not to worry. While McCabe is correct — there really is a good deal of oil and gas remaining and we’re finding more all the time — it’s also true that easily extracted oil and gas is becoming harder to find. It’s becoming more and more costly to drill and extract.

    We’ve known about a lot of these alternative fuels for a long while, they simply weren’t economically competitive. As the cost of oil & gas production increases alternative fuels will become economically competitive, and when they’re economically competitive there will be a demand for them. When there is a demand someone will supply it.

    Let the market take its course. When gasoline was $1 a gallon there was no demand for hybrid and electric vehicles, now there is and the automakers are scrambling to meet that demand.

    At some point oil and gas will become the most expensive fuels and the demand for them will tail off. We’ll continue to produce them though because they are so valuable as the raw materials for manufacturing plastics & such.

  • http://coyoteatthedogshow.blogspot.com/ Swen Swenson

    Not to worry. While McCabe is correct — there really is a good deal of oil and gas remaining and we’re finding more all the time — it’s also true that easily extracted oil and gas is becoming harder to find. It’s becoming more and more costly to drill and extract.

    We’ve known about a lot of these alternative fuels for a long while, they simply weren’t economically competitive. As the cost of oil & gas production increases alternative fuels will become economically competitive, and when they’re economically competitive there will be a demand for them. When there is a demand someone will supply it.

    Let the market take its course. When gasoline was $1 a gallon there was no demand for hybrid and electric vehicles, now there is and the automakers are scrambling to meet that demand.

    At some point oil and gas will become the most expensive fuels and the demand for them will tail off. We’ll continue to produce them though because they are so valuable as the raw materials for manufacturing plastics & such.

  • robotech master

    I find the host of this site laughable and borderline needing to be committed for his views and complete lack of knowledge about what global warming is, what it could cause if real, and how many times its be repeatably debunked sometimes on a yearly happening. Even the most far fetched “realistic” model of the problems globals cause(the al gore effect) your talking at least 200-500 years before its a major threat to humans..

    Next after failing for nearly 50+ years to find the “glass ceiling” and having a Sat launched in 2006 solely to study global warming saying that all temp data that global warming is based on it completely useless… how much more do you need.(O and hows that .6 degree temp drop going… we inbound for another ice age yet?)

    Now that doesn’t mean that someday in 500 years that it may happen if we keep releasing more and more CO2… terraforming is a believable science…. it also takes a very very long time to happen.

    As ChuckL has pointed out what of the biggest problems in developing new energy/fuel supplies are eco-facists and global warming idiots who really know nothing about science or more importantly science history. These fool waste billions of dollars lining their pockets with dead end research and prototypes. They take huge sums of money from realistic and effective research… they also tend to favor the most earth damaging fuels/processes they can find… Making bio-fuel from corn or “bio-mass” is almost always unrenewable… you can’t keep taking and taking from the ground and expect it to keep giving… most of the farming plans will strip the soil to nothing in a few decades… or cost more energy to maintain then they produce. Plus farming is just bad period.

    The “peak oil” theory has been around for what 50 years now… and every year were going to hit peak oil… BS. The only reason we will hit peak oil in the next 50 years is because we stop drilling for it period thats not debatable its a fact. This whiny cry about were running out of food, oil, resources, etc, etc, etc has been disproved time and time again through the history of science.

    The US for almost 30 years has stopped looking for oil in many of the riches oil areas because of the oil bans… tech for finding oil is way way better now then then. The US alone could have as much as 10x the amount of oil as is currently known… but it is way way more oil then officially reported. Plus we pretty much have the largest coal supply in the world… which can be made into oil. Once again though the eco-fascists refuse to let us build nukes/dams, etc… thus we still get most of our power from coal.

    Then add in this whole BS argument that somehow gas is to blame… how retarded are ppl. Even if you changed every single car, truck, etc in the US we’d still be importing alot of oil… because oil doesn’t just make gas/diesel… So what happens if the US stops using gas/diesel well 1 of 2 thing. Either A. we sell it to other countries… which for you global warming nut bags should make you real happy… Or B. we “dispose” of it… Now I know of only one way to dispose of large amounts of a flammable liquid… YOU BURN IT.

    Now I do suppose that given enough time they could come up with some sort of gas/diesel eating bug like they have for oil now… but who knows how long that will take. Their is no current way to dispose of large amounts of gas/diesel other then burning it…. or dumping it into the rivers/oceans…

    You’ll forgive me but trying to have a rational debate with ppl that are so irrational tests my nerves…

    The bottom line is ppl need to focus on a real energy plan instead of eco-fascists BS. This should first be nukes and hydro. Then spending the research money into realistic options for fuels such as the algae to diesel and solar. In the end solar should be the goal.. but in the mean time we need realistic fuels and bio-fuels from corn and other farm lands is completely unrealistic. Given enough time batteries and the electric cars/trucks will be able to fill the job plus many synthetic replacements for the current things we need oil for.

  • robotech master

    I find the host of this site laughable and borderline needing to be committed for his views and complete lack of knowledge about what global warming is, what it could cause if real, and how many times its be repeatably debunked sometimes on a yearly happening. Even the most far fetched “realistic” model of the problems globals cause(the al gore effect) your talking at least 200-500 years before its a major threat to humans..

    Next after failing for nearly 50+ years to find the “glass ceiling” and having a Sat launched in 2006 solely to study global warming saying that all temp data that global warming is based on it completely useless… how much more do you need.(O and hows that .6 degree temp drop going… we inbound for another ice age yet?)

    Now that doesn’t mean that someday in 500 years that it may happen if we keep releasing more and more CO2… terraforming is a believable science…. it also takes a very very long time to happen.

    As ChuckL has pointed out what of the biggest problems in developing new energy/fuel supplies are eco-facists and global warming idiots who really know nothing about science or more importantly science history. These fool waste billions of dollars lining their pockets with dead end research and prototypes. They take huge sums of money from realistic and effective research… they also tend to favor the most earth damaging fuels/processes they can find… Making bio-fuel from corn or “bio-mass” is almost always unrenewable… you can’t keep taking and taking from the ground and expect it to keep giving… most of the farming plans will strip the soil to nothing in a few decades… or cost more energy to maintain then they produce. Plus farming is just bad period.

    The “peak oil” theory has been around for what 50 years now… and every year were going to hit peak oil… BS. The only reason we will hit peak oil in the next 50 years is because we stop drilling for it period thats not debatable its a fact. This whiny cry about were running out of food, oil, resources, etc, etc, etc has been disproved time and time again through the history of science.

    The US for almost 30 years has stopped looking for oil in many of the riches oil areas because of the oil bans… tech for finding oil is way way better now then then. The US alone could have as much as 10x the amount of oil as is currently known… but it is way way more oil then officially reported. Plus we pretty much have the largest coal supply in the world… which can be made into oil. Once again though the eco-fascists refuse to let us build nukes/dams, etc… thus we still get most of our power from coal.

    Then add in this whole BS argument that somehow gas is to blame… how retarded are ppl. Even if you changed every single car, truck, etc in the US we’d still be importing alot of oil… because oil doesn’t just make gas/diesel… So what happens if the US stops using gas/diesel well 1 of 2 thing. Either A. we sell it to other countries… which for you global warming nut bags should make you real happy… Or B. we “dispose” of it… Now I know of only one way to dispose of large amounts of a flammable liquid… YOU BURN IT.

    Now I do suppose that given enough time they could come up with some sort of gas/diesel eating bug like they have for oil now… but who knows how long that will take. Their is no current way to dispose of large amounts of gas/diesel other then burning it…. or dumping it into the rivers/oceans…

    You’ll forgive me but trying to have a rational debate with ppl that are so irrational tests my nerves…

    The bottom line is ppl need to focus on a real energy plan instead of eco-fascists BS. This should first be nukes and hydro. Then spending the research money into realistic options for fuels such as the algae to diesel and solar. In the end solar should be the goal.. but in the mean time we need realistic fuels and bio-fuels from corn and other farm lands is completely unrealistic. Given enough time batteries and the electric cars/trucks will be able to fill the job plus many synthetic replacements for the current things we need oil for.

  • Nick Chambers

    Um, robotech master seems to have mastered the art of global warming denying. I believe I’ve read his rants (virtually the exact same rants) on other websites. If you want to talk about rational debates, then be prepared to have one yourself. See my reply to oreo magnificant for a rebuttal, rather than me rehashing it for mr. nutbucket here.

  • http://juuble.com Samuel Diamond

    I believe the guy above me.

    If anything, we should start now and hard because look at what our economy is going through. Our system, when it ruptures or has problems, can have immense effects on humanity.

    How many people thought the stock market would just “fix” itself or just work out? Anyone who says that there is a lot of time to get things done is a great optimistic, but things must get done now. Not in 5 years, not in 10.

    Its like retirement. What sense would it make to start making retiring arrangements 10 years before instead of 30? Just do the 30, so we can be safe.

    Screw whether to believe if peak oil is here or not. Just the likelyhood that it MAY happen is enough justification to stop arguing and get it done.Who has the balls to play Chicken with society’s energy? I’m not.

  • http://juuble.com Samuel Diamond

    I believe the guy above me.

    If anything, we should start now and hard because look at what our economy is going through. Our system, when it ruptures or has problems, can have immense effects on humanity.

    How many people thought the stock market would just “fix” itself or just work out? Anyone who says that there is a lot of time to get things done is a great optimistic, but things must get done now. Not in 5 years, not in 10.

    Its like retirement. What sense would it make to start making retiring arrangements 10 years before instead of 30? Just do the 30, so we can be safe.

    Screw whether to believe if peak oil is here or not. Just the likelyhood that it MAY happen is enough justification to stop arguing and get it done.Who has the balls to play Chicken with society’s energy? I’m not.

  • robotech master

    Hey nick you ever heard of something called the “science process” look it up… global warming fails it… as for your nutcase views no rational and most worse case fantasies submitted don’t endanger the human race for 200+ years…

    Your massive ignorance combined with your undieing need to believe in this even though its been proven time and time again that science doesn’t agree is fun… the fact you have zero counters for any of my argues is also fun… I’ll give you this you’d have made a great SS officer in the 40s…

  • robotech master

    Hey nick you ever heard of something called the “science process” look it up… global warming fails it… as for your nutcase views no rational and most worse case fantasies submitted don’t endanger the human race for 200+ years…

    Your massive ignorance combined with your undieing need to believe in this even though its been proven time and time again that science doesn’t agree is fun… the fact you have zero counters for any of my argues is also fun… I’ll give you this you’d have made a great SS officer in the 40s…

  • Common Sense

    How much oil? Probably about a much as there was 10, 100 or 1000 years ago. The “oil” I believe is constantly being replenished deep from within the earth with more being created constantly. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ALL THE OIL EVER FOUND OR WILL BE FOUND WAS CREATED FROM DEAD DINOSAURS AND BIOMASS “fossil fuels” AND THAT IT ALL HAPPENED TO COLLECT IN THESE FEW PLACES IN SUCH QUANTITIES???? Also how did so much of it collect miles beneath the ground even in the ocean??? It has never been remotely proved that this is the only way for all that oil to be made. At best simply just one way that oil could be produced from a small amount of these “fossils”. If you controlled that kind of wealth would you tell anyone? Keeping people in the dark about that little bit of information insures that you can get record profits for many years to come. If it were found out that oil is not dwindling in supply the bottom would have fell out of the market and gas would have been 10 cents a gallon everywhere BUT your not going to get filthy rich that way. Remember it’s all about PROFIT and KNOWLEDGE is POWER.

  • Common Sense

    How much oil? Probably about a much as there was 10, 100 or 1000 years ago. The “oil” I believe is constantly being replenished deep from within the earth with more being created constantly. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ALL THE OIL EVER FOUND OR WILL BE FOUND WAS CREATED FROM DEAD DINOSAURS AND BIOMASS “fossil fuels” AND THAT IT ALL HAPPENED TO COLLECT IN THESE FEW PLACES IN SUCH QUANTITIES???? Also how did so much of it collect miles beneath the ground even in the ocean??? It has never been remotely proved that this is the only way for all that oil to be made. At best simply just one way that oil could be produced from a small amount of these “fossils”. If you controlled that kind of wealth would you tell anyone? Keeping people in the dark about that little bit of information insures that you can get record profits for many years to come. If it were found out that oil is not dwindling in supply the bottom would have fell out of the market and gas would have been 10 cents a gallon everywhere BUT your not going to get filthy rich that way. Remember it’s all about PROFIT and KNOWLEDGE is POWER.

  • Stewart

    Sure we can get off of oil in less than a decade. How fast depends on how many and how quickly you want to let billions of living people die.

  • Stewart

    Sure we can get off of oil in less than a decade. How fast depends on how many and how quickly you want to let billions of living people die.

  • Matt

    The problem with McCabe’s analysis is it doesn’t really factor in future growth in Asia or a renewed demand in eastern Europe and Russia, nor what will be a big demand from Africa.

    South America is a bit unique in that Brazil has made tremendous progress in converting away from oil.

    There’s also the economic cost of oil as the world reaches its max output. At some a certain point the price of gasoline and energy will reach a point that it becomes prohibitively expensive for most people and most countries.

    South America, especially Brazil is a perfect example, in roughly 25 years, Brazil has dramatically decreased its dependence on fossil fuels, especially oil. Cars run almost exclusively on sugar cane ethonal.

    So the idea that the world can’t get rid of fossil fuels in 30 years is simply not teh case. Furthermore, there’s a difference between Fossil fuels in general and Oil. Eliminating all Fossil fuel is unlikely but getting to a point where the consumption of oil is a mere fraction of where it is today is certainly reasonable.

  • Matt

    The problem with McCabe’s analysis is it doesn’t really factor in future growth in Asia or a renewed demand in eastern Europe and Russia, nor what will be a big demand from Africa.

    South America is a bit unique in that Brazil has made tremendous progress in converting away from oil.

    There’s also the economic cost of oil as the world reaches its max output. At some a certain point the price of gasoline and energy will reach a point that it becomes prohibitively expensive for most people and most countries.

    South America, especially Brazil is a perfect example, in roughly 25 years, Brazil has dramatically decreased its dependence on fossil fuels, especially oil. Cars run almost exclusively on sugar cane ethonal.

    So the idea that the world can’t get rid of fossil fuels in 30 years is simply not teh case. Furthermore, there’s a difference between Fossil fuels in general and Oil. Eliminating all Fossil fuel is unlikely but getting to a point where the consumption of oil is a mere fraction of where it is today is certainly reasonable.

  • canuck49

    The one thing all doomsdayers and Malthusians leave out of the equation is human ingenuity.

    The only thing I fear is idiotic governments preventing the full use of that ingenuity.

    What we need is freedom not fix-its.

  • canuck49

    The one thing all doomsdayers and Malthusians leave out of the equation is human ingenuity.

    The only thing I fear is idiotic governments preventing the full use of that ingenuity.

    What we need is freedom not fix-its.

  • http://www.clarifyexpert.com DWMF

    Commenters Common Sense and Blue Eyed Indian touch on the real issue here. There is much more petroleum in the Earth’s crust than the so-called experts tell us. It cannot all be degraded biomass.

    I believe that 99% of the Earth’s hydrocarbons originated in the same way as 99% of the Solar System’s hydrocarbons. They were form as methane and other low-order alkanes in the primaeval accretion disc. Then they were enclosed in pockets in the planets as they formed. Over time, due to the temperature and pressure under the surface of the Earth, they have polymerised into the longer-chain molecules we see in crude petroleum.

    It’s a question of whether oil-fields are commercially viable, not whether they exist or not. A high price means more fields can be drilled, which stabilises the price again.

  • http://www.clarifyexpert.com DWMF

    Commenters Common Sense and Blue Eyed Indian touch on the real issue here. There is much more petroleum in the Earth’s crust than the so-called experts tell us. It cannot all be degraded biomass.

    I believe that 99% of the Earth’s hydrocarbons originated in the same way as 99% of the Solar System’s hydrocarbons. They were form as methane and other low-order alkanes in the primaeval accretion disc. Then they were enclosed in pockets in the planets as they formed. Over time, due to the temperature and pressure under the surface of the Earth, they have polymerised into the longer-chain molecules we see in crude petroleum.

    It’s a question of whether oil-fields are commercially viable, not whether they exist or not. A high price means more fields can be drilled, which stabilises the price again.

  • Dan Gregan

    Human caused climate change is a myth. Fossil fuels are abundant, although the easily accessabe (cheap) stuff is getting scarce. The Algore scare movie is just that. Similar to The Beast from 20,000 fathoms caused by nuclear waste circa 1950s ‘si-fi. Read “The myth of human caused climate change” by R.M. Carter. Real science-Not BS!!!

    Accomplish something really good!!! Tax all IMPORT oil at $50.00 a barrel,and apply it to research for all energy options in the US. Investment will flow into the alternatives for the possibility of great profits. In the past, oil went up with phony shortages. Alternatives looked like good investments, money was invested and progress made. OPEC increased supply, lowered the oil prices. That stopped the development of alternatives because they no longer were economically competitive with the ( Once again cheap ) imported oil. Not even worth drilling in our own fields. Our idiots in Congress allow this cycle to continue because WE won’t pay $5.00 a gallon for gas- our own! So we continus to send money to our enemies abroad. BRILLIANT!!!

    By the way, Nagasaki and hiroshima were said to uninhabitable according to the algore’s and scientists of the the period.

    The shortage of fossil fuel and human caused climate chang Just so much boloney from the UN!! The intention is purely for social engineering purposes. College students, the vatican, other socialists will believe and promote anything detrimental to the USA.

  • Dan Gregan

    Human caused climate change is a myth. Fossil fuels are abundant, although the easily accessabe (cheap) stuff is getting scarce. The Algore scare movie is just that. Similar to The Beast from 20,000 fathoms caused by nuclear waste circa 1950s ‘si-fi. Read “The myth of human caused climate change” by R.M. Carter. Real science-Not BS!!!

    Accomplish something really good!!! Tax all IMPORT oil at $50.00 a barrel,and apply it to research for all energy options in the US. Investment will flow into the alternatives for the possibility of great profits. In the past, oil went up with phony shortages. Alternatives looked like good investments, money was invested and progress made. OPEC increased supply, lowered the oil prices. That stopped the development of alternatives because they no longer were economically competitive with the ( Once again cheap ) imported oil. Not even worth drilling in our own fields. Our idiots in Congress allow this cycle to continue because WE won’t pay $5.00 a gallon for gas- our own! So we continus to send money to our enemies abroad. BRILLIANT!!!

    By the way, Nagasaki and hiroshima were said to uninhabitable according to the algore’s and scientists of the the period.

    The shortage of fossil fuel and human caused climate chang Just so much boloney from the UN!! The intention is purely for social engineering purposes. College students, the vatican, other socialists will believe and promote anything detrimental to the USA.

  • http://zapworld.com/ Electric Car

    Whether oil is running out or not is a secondary issue. We should shift to renewable and sustainable sources of energy for the reduced impact each of us will have on our environment. One example is electric cars which do not only this but also make economic sense because they cost a fraction to run.

  • http://zapworld.com/ Electric Car

    Whether oil is running out or not is a secondary issue. We should shift to renewable and sustainable sources of energy for the reduced impact each of us will have on our environment. One example is electric cars which do not only this but also make economic sense because they cost a fraction to run.

  • Jacob

    I find it so hard to believe that there are still global warming deniers out there, I suppose they still think that phrenology is a legitimate science and eugenics is needed to prevent the criminalization of society. Mainstream science accepts global warming as real, and anthropogenic. Just look at the arctic ice caps, the Keeling curve, the shoreline in Tuvalu, it’s not even up for discussion in educated circles.

  • Jacob

    I find it so hard to believe that there are still global warming deniers out there, I suppose they still think that phrenology is a legitimate science and eugenics is needed to prevent the criminalization of society. Mainstream science accepts global warming as real, and anthropogenic. Just look at the arctic ice caps, the Keeling curve, the shoreline in Tuvalu, it’s not even up for discussion in educated circles.

  • http://www.binaryseismoem.com Andrey Berg

    …THE IMPENDING OIL CRISIS… PEAK OIL…? EVERYTHING ISN’T SO BAD.

    Undiscovered world hydrocarbon reserves are too far from depletion. For example, the world’s second largest discovery in the past 20 years occurred at Brazil’s Tupi field, in November, 2007. Estimated recoverable reserves could reach eight billion barrels. Some early was discovered Sugar Loaf field (25-40 billion barrels).

    Swiss-based Manas Petroleum stated that a resource evaluation in north-western Albania had assigned 2.987 billion barrels of oil with 3.014 trillion cubic feet of associated gas.

    Oil contents of the US Outer Continental Shelf estimates as about 19 billion barrels and so on.

    There are many large undiscovered oil fields (perhaps 40-50%).

    Problem is in low success rate in exploration wells.

    According to industry figures the rate for the North Sea now are approximately 25%. In other words only one well is successful in four drilled. It significantly brakes industry growing.

    However there is a Binary Seismo-Electromagnetic (BSE) technology, which uses new physical mechanism for creation the direct response from hydrocarbon deposits. It can significantly mitigate statistic data cited above because BSE success rate is more then 75% for wildcats with discovering commercial pays. Or to put it another way, failure rate is 25% only (one well in four drilled). So, new method is at least in three (3) times more effective then conventional methods. The BSE survey can find and outline at list 75% of all reserves in any region before any drilling is done or it can add 25-30% reserves in old provinces. http://www.binaryseismoem.weebly.com

  • http://www.binaryseismoem.com Andrey Berg

    …THE IMPENDING OIL CRISIS… PEAK OIL…? EVERYTHING ISN’T SO BAD.

    Undiscovered world hydrocarbon reserves are too far from depletion. For example, the world’s second largest discovery in the past 20 years occurred at Brazil’s Tupi field, in November, 2007. Estimated recoverable reserves could reach eight billion barrels. Some early was discovered Sugar Loaf field (25-40 billion barrels).

    Swiss-based Manas Petroleum stated that a resource evaluation in north-western Albania had assigned 2.987 billion barrels of oil with 3.014 trillion cubic feet of associated gas.

    Oil contents of the US Outer Continental Shelf estimates as about 19 billion barrels and so on.

    There are many large undiscovered oil fields (perhaps 40-50%).

    Problem is in low success rate in exploration wells.

    According to industry figures the rate for the North Sea now are approximately 25%. In other words only one well is successful in four drilled. It significantly brakes industry growing.

    However there is a Binary Seismo-Electromagnetic (BSE) technology, which uses new physical mechanism for creation the direct response from hydrocarbon deposits. It can significantly mitigate statistic data cited above because BSE success rate is more then 75% for wildcats with discovering commercial pays. Or to put it another way, failure rate is 25% only (one well in four drilled). So, new method is at least in three (3) times more effective then conventional methods. The BSE survey can find and outline at list 75% of all reserves in any region before any drilling is done or it can add 25-30% reserves in old provinces. http://www.binaryseismoem.weebly.com

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  • groovy

    why isn’t anyone concerned with possible side effects or consequences of draining oil from Mother Earth? It must serve a great purpose in nature and should not be removed, I would imagine…I haven’t been able to find any scientific facts on this issue…

  • groovy

    why isn’t anyone concerned with possible side effects or consequences of draining oil from Mother Earth? It must serve a great purpose in nature and should not be removed, I would imagine…I haven’t been able to find any scientific facts on this issue…

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    I have seen and listened to many theories, reports and bull over the last 20 years, lived through two recessions and yet we are doing absolutely nothing to eleviate any of our coming fuel or world problems.

    The wind farms are working when the wind is blowing and are extremely expensive ornaments or not so when the wind is not blowing.

    Another pet hate if I am allowed any is, it is a total waste of time using one resorce to generate another when there is absolutely no need to, we can forget nuclear, it has between 10 to 20 years at best id we start down that path, did you know it would take 10,000 new such power stations to make and supply the amount of power we currently use.

    Another one is the destruction of viable oxygen producing plants and trees for bio fuels, when will we sit up and listen, if and when we cut down the last forrest we are in deep trouble, we need to be planting more not cutting them down.

    We have many viable rivers in this and other countries throughout the world which simply keep on flowing and have done so for thousands of years, if we put them all back to use, we could get rid of the big boys in power stakes, they would dissagree of course, small turbines are relatively cheap to build and service, and can run 24-7, a lot of smaller units would be much more reliable than just one huge power station who have monopoly over us all, if any of the small generators went off line for a short period, we wouldn’t notice anything was wrong, and the best part is, they would produce zero carbon once up and running.

    We really need to take stock now in order of protecting what reserves we have left, we need modern lubricants to keep industry running, can you immagine how long industry would run for if we had to relly on the old fat based oils, I would guess about 24 hours.

    At the end of the day its not oil that we need to concentrate upon, its a world family planning sceme, I will put it in laymans terms for you all,

    A field is the world, if a 100 acre field can support a 100 sheep nicely thank you, what happens when the number is doubled, answer they will all die of starvation, remember this civilisation is only three meals away.

    All the money in all of the banks of this world will not save it,

    As long as we make people work for nothing and give others something for nothing, everything will keep on going round in circles while we miss the real points of what I am trying to get across.

    The worlds recorces are not being shared out evenly enough to make it matter, they all belong to us all

    not the few.

    I could go on al night but it wouldn’t do any good

    Nuf said

    Davy

    United kingdom.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    I have seen and listened to many theories, reports and bull over the last 20 years, lived through two recessions and yet we are doing absolutely nothing to eleviate any of our coming fuel or world problems.

    The wind farms are working when the wind is blowing and are extremely expensive ornaments or not so when the wind is not blowing.

    Another pet hate if I am allowed any is, it is a total waste of time using one resorce to generate another when there is absolutely no need to, we can forget nuclear, it has between 10 to 20 years at best id we start down that path, did you know it would take 10,000 new such power stations to make and supply the amount of power we currently use.

    Another one is the destruction of viable oxygen producing plants and trees for bio fuels, when will we sit up and listen, if and when we cut down the last forrest we are in deep trouble, we need to be planting more not cutting them down.

    We have many viable rivers in this and other countries throughout the world which simply keep on flowing and have done so for thousands of years, if we put them all back to use, we could get rid of the big boys in power stakes, they would dissagree of course, small turbines are relatively cheap to build and service, and can run 24-7, a lot of smaller units would be much more reliable than just one huge power station who have monopoly over us all, if any of the small generators went off line for a short period, we wouldn’t notice anything was wrong, and the best part is, they would produce zero carbon once up and running.

    We really need to take stock now in order of protecting what reserves we have left, we need modern lubricants to keep industry running, can you immagine how long industry would run for if we had to relly on the old fat based oils, I would guess about 24 hours.

    At the end of the day its not oil that we need to concentrate upon, its a world family planning sceme, I will put it in laymans terms for you all,

    A field is the world, if a 100 acre field can support a 100 sheep nicely thank you, what happens when the number is doubled, answer they will all die of starvation, remember this civilisation is only three meals away.

    All the money in all of the banks of this world will not save it,

    As long as we make people work for nothing and give others something for nothing, everything will keep on going round in circles while we miss the real points of what I am trying to get across.

    The worlds recorces are not being shared out evenly enough to make it matter, they all belong to us all

    not the few.

    I could go on al night but it wouldn’t do any good

    Nuf said

    Davy

    United kingdom.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    I just couldn’t resist

    Up the Amish, did you know this

    A team of 35 men and boys build a house in just a day

    without any modern tooling, and have you seen one of their houses, I mean really nice they are, what we would call a nice pad on the grand designs program and very co-efficient being made of zero carbon timber with remarkable thermal saving properties.

    Did you know that in Poland there are still over 500 thousand horses used daily, most farms are of about 12 acres in size and they can still produce more milk than us here in the UK, how do they do this you might ask, the answer is hard work, they may not be super rich but they are an honest hard working happy people who are currently going through a westernised modernisation progam, I just hope the westernised style governments of this world do not destroy what uniqueness they have today.

    If you would like more of the above information, it is alavailable from the earth magazine, a well worth read for up to date facts.

    Cheers

    Davy.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    I just couldn’t resist

    Up the Amish, did you know this

    A team of 35 men and boys build a house in just a day

    without any modern tooling, and have you seen one of their houses, I mean really nice they are, what we would call a nice pad on the grand designs program and very co-efficient being made of zero carbon timber with remarkable thermal saving properties.

    Did you know that in Poland there are still over 500 thousand horses used daily, most farms are of about 12 acres in size and they can still produce more milk than us here in the UK, how do they do this you might ask, the answer is hard work, they may not be super rich but they are an honest hard working happy people who are currently going through a westernised modernisation progam, I just hope the westernised style governments of this world do not destroy what uniqueness they have today.

    If you would like more of the above information, it is alavailable from the earth magazine, a well worth read for up to date facts.

    Cheers

    Davy.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Dear Nick

    After reading the post here it is clear that there is a the beleif that we haven’t got much of a chance unless we start working together, those who say things like it won’t mater because I woun’t be around when that/it happens is the very attitude that gets us into such positions.

    I can remember my Grandfather telling me that civilisation is but three meals away and this is where my penneth worth begins.

    According to the latest film on the oil front called A Crude Awakening, it says that a single barrel of oil and its energy, holds the same energy as 12 men’s labour in a single years contributions, hard to beleive then watch the film.

    We are wasting all our futures by bringing vast amounts of food from one country to another in the name of profit, when those countries could grow or supply the same, grain to a grain producer is absolutely stupid in the extreme in my eyes and I would refrain from eating it, if we all opened our eyes and acted accordingly we would save this wreckless waste.

    I would say we need to start rationing oil to those companies who are making this waste, so as to reduce their air, sea and lans miles, same goes for those who holiday excesively, these luxuries are the veru polocies that are damaging the future for everyone, its going to have to be a collation and sacrifice for us and our offspring, we are responsible today right now.

    As an engineer I can tell you that all if not most of our heavy indisties would grind to a halt within 48 hours without that modern lubrication that fossile fuel brings, the vedge methos just would not be able to withstand the high temps that modern engineering demands.

    But its food where we will all eventually suffer from not having, 70% of our food is forced along using ammonia fro oil the rest is from the sun, we will always have the sun but not the former.

    The sun shines on us every day somewhere on the planet, one days sunshine produces enough power to last us 25 years of power, I believe it is here togehter with our rivers and weather IE wind in that order that will help us to make ends meet, but at a much lower population.

    As we are today our population would not be able to survive more than a few weeks without fossile fuels, b the time the oil does run out the world population will be many times larger and millions upon millions of us and our children are simply going to die, no oil, no food, no life.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Dear Nick

    After reading the post here it is clear that there is a the beleif that we haven’t got much of a chance unless we start working together, those who say things like it won’t mater because I woun’t be around when that/it happens is the very attitude that gets us into such positions.

    I can remember my Grandfather telling me that civilisation is but three meals away and this is where my penneth worth begins.

    According to the latest film on the oil front called A Crude Awakening, it says that a single barrel of oil and its energy, holds the same energy as 12 men’s labour in a single years contributions, hard to beleive then watch the film.

    We are wasting all our futures by bringing vast amounts of food from one country to another in the name of profit, when those countries could grow or supply the same, grain to a grain producer is absolutely stupid in the extreme in my eyes and I would refrain from eating it, if we all opened our eyes and acted accordingly we would save this wreckless waste.

    I would say we need to start rationing oil to those companies who are making this waste, so as to reduce their air, sea and lans miles, same goes for those who holiday excesively, these luxuries are the veru polocies that are damaging the future for everyone, its going to have to be a collation and sacrifice for us and our offspring, we are responsible today right now.

    As an engineer I can tell you that all if not most of our heavy indisties would grind to a halt within 48 hours without that modern lubrication that fossile fuel brings, the vedge methos just would not be able to withstand the high temps that modern engineering demands.

    But its food where we will all eventually suffer from not having, 70% of our food is forced along using ammonia fro oil the rest is from the sun, we will always have the sun but not the former.

    The sun shines on us every day somewhere on the planet, one days sunshine produces enough power to last us 25 years of power, I believe it is here togehter with our rivers and weather IE wind in that order that will help us to make ends meet, but at a much lower population.

    As we are today our population would not be able to survive more than a few weeks without fossile fuels, b the time the oil does run out the world population will be many times larger and millions upon millions of us and our children are simply going to die, no oil, no food, no life.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Further to my previous posting, the part I mentioned about the sun should actually read,

    A single days sunshine supplies more than twenty times our daily world power consumption, all we need to do is capture it.

    I have just watched the film again tonight and you need to view it a couple of times to take in all what the experts are saying is not so far away,

    I know someone who works in the earth science and they say that in as little as five years things are going to start taking shape on the energy front, petrol is thought to reach ten pounds a gallon, but don’t take my word for it let see if Hubbard’s peak will have another result but in today’s modern world.

    Most of the oil discovered early this century has already gone, Texas, Baku, South America and our own north sea oil is on the verge of no return, it has dropped by 220 million barrells per day, and this first quarter of new exploration for new oil reserves has gone down by 78 percent, are they not trying to tell us something here.

    The film is very intresting indeed and why I have been doing what I have way before the film was made and that’s learning new skills or old skills like shoe making wheelwrighting and may more so there will be some kind of skills for the future, otherwise they will be lost for ever.

    All this information is available on the W3 if one cares to look for it, we need to do something now today so we don’t stop nodding like the dinosaur pumps around the world today, it may already be too late, only time and money will out.

    All the money that is owned by the very few, that lies in their banks throughout the world, will not feed us or save our enviornment, good luck to all.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Further to my previous posting, the part I mentioned about the sun should actually read,

    A single days sunshine supplies more than twenty times our daily world power consumption, all we need to do is capture it.

    I have just watched the film again tonight and you need to view it a couple of times to take in all what the experts are saying is not so far away,

    I know someone who works in the earth science and they say that in as little as five years things are going to start taking shape on the energy front, petrol is thought to reach ten pounds a gallon, but don’t take my word for it let see if Hubbard’s peak will have another result but in today’s modern world.

    Most of the oil discovered early this century has already gone, Texas, Baku, South America and our own north sea oil is on the verge of no return, it has dropped by 220 million barrells per day, and this first quarter of new exploration for new oil reserves has gone down by 78 percent, are they not trying to tell us something here.

    The film is very intresting indeed and why I have been doing what I have way before the film was made and that’s learning new skills or old skills like shoe making wheelwrighting and may more so there will be some kind of skills for the future, otherwise they will be lost for ever.

    All this information is available on the W3 if one cares to look for it, we need to do something now today so we don’t stop nodding like the dinosaur pumps around the world today, it may already be too late, only time and money will out.

    All the money that is owned by the very few, that lies in their banks throughout the world, will not feed us or save our enviornment, good luck to all.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Chuck said :

    The idea that we can not have at lease the United States on renewable fuel by 2109 is only true if we are dumb enough to believe it. Biodiesel from algae could replace all of our petrofuel within that time, if we start now to do so. What is needed is the will and the ability to prevent the so called environmentalists and the “save the salmonella” groups from stopping the progress. Methane, the most common component of natural gas is easily manufactured and there are already conversion kits on the market for converting gasoline and diesel powered vehicles to use compressed natural gas. The USAF already has certified a large part of its fleet to fly using a 50% mixture of JP8 and 50% synthetic paraffinic kerosene. This fuel is also used for all ground support equipment already. They are working on full synthetic fuel. There are 2 different groups of airlines and aircraft manufacturers working on a full synthetic fuel for airline use.

    WE can be sure that the capability to do the change is well under development. The time could be shorter than anyone expects. I see the biggest problem as convincing people who have not been near a new diesel pickup to using diesel engines in their cars. (For what is possible there run an internet search for “Jaguar XF2.7D test reports”. ) These capabilities can easily tide us over until we no longer need any petrofuel.

    We should also consider that the algae which would be used for biodiesel also has a voracious appetite for CO2, and gives off as a by product large quantities of O2. The remaining algae can be used as fodder, fertilizer, or feed stock for celulastic methanol.

    Batteries will surely continue to get better and better. Electric cars are coming and these biofuels will surely provide a great bridge as well as continued use where appropriate for a long time after.

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    Dear Chuck

    I ask you this, what makes you think the ones with the money are going to spend the best part of their money in order of as you said by tiding us over, every government and petrolchemical giant for the last 100 years has done absolutely nothing to elleviate what we are talking about today.

    Oil is so cheap and abundant at the moment, the algea method is a pure pipe dream and pie in the sky at best just like the Hydrogen idea, which would take way to long to be made to work by the time we were anywhere near that goal, all the oil and ready enegry needed to carry out these tasks would be gone.

    On the other hand there would be plenty of people to do the pedalling with, but not enough food to feed them.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    Chuck said :

    The idea that we can not have at lease the United States on renewable fuel by 2109 is only true if we are dumb enough to believe it. Biodiesel from algae could replace all of our petrofuel within that time, if we start now to do so. What is needed is the will and the ability to prevent the so called environmentalists and the “save the salmonella” groups from stopping the progress. Methane, the most common component of natural gas is easily manufactured and there are already conversion kits on the market for converting gasoline and diesel powered vehicles to use compressed natural gas. The USAF already has certified a large part of its fleet to fly using a 50% mixture of JP8 and 50% synthetic paraffinic kerosene. This fuel is also used for all ground support equipment already. They are working on full synthetic fuel. There are 2 different groups of airlines and aircraft manufacturers working on a full synthetic fuel for airline use.

    WE can be sure that the capability to do the change is well under development. The time could be shorter than anyone expects. I see the biggest problem as convincing people who have not been near a new diesel pickup to using diesel engines in their cars. (For what is possible there run an internet search for “Jaguar XF2.7D test reports”. ) These capabilities can easily tide us over until we no longer need any petrofuel.

    We should also consider that the algae which would be used for biodiesel also has a voracious appetite for CO2, and gives off as a by product large quantities of O2. The remaining algae can be used as fodder, fertilizer, or feed stock for celulastic methanol.

    Batteries will surely continue to get better and better. Electric cars are coming and these biofuels will surely provide a great bridge as well as continued use where appropriate for a long time after.

    —————————————————-

    Dear Chuck

    I ask you this, what makes you think the ones with the money are going to spend the best part of their money in order of as you said by tiding us over, every government and petrolchemical giant for the last 100 years has done absolutely nothing to elleviate what we are talking about today.

    Oil is so cheap and abundant at the moment, the algea method is a pure pipe dream and pie in the sky at best just like the Hydrogen idea, which would take way to long to be made to work by the time we were anywhere near that goal, all the oil and ready enegry needed to carry out these tasks would be gone.

    On the other hand there would be plenty of people to do the pedalling with, but not enough food to feed them.

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  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    All the latest thoughts and so called innovative ideas or what ever we want to call them are like a Leedammer moment or like one of those Swiss cheeses they are so full of huge holes and over guessergramed figures that we are missing the real picture here, the Semi truck mentions the word Diesel fuel, I admit it might make a gallon of fuel go that little bit further, but burning one fuel to produce another is a sure way to burn it all, its long term effect will be the same, gone.

    In this ever expanding same day next day Britain is where most of our problems lie, we would be much better off planning for the future, for local home grown products instead of wasting the energy as I have already spoken about, bringing a bucket of steam from China, sorry to be so blunt here but its just like that.

    What I cannot understand is, oil is so cheap at the moment, why on earth arn’t we doing something more right now, if there are some really wierd and wonderful energy saving ideas that will help elleviate our problems, why are thay not doing it today, surely this has to be the best way out as you call it for everyone, why keep it a best kept secret until its too late, doesn’t hold water I’m affraid.

    Oil is king at the moment and we had better get to the bottom of our problems before we get to the bottom of the well, or you know full well what is going to happen, prince charles has been trying to tell us about it for decades, seems no one is listening though, time will tell I suppose.

  • http://www.bagpipeworks.co.uk Davy

    All the latest thoughts and so called innovative ideas or what ever we want to call them are like a Leedammer moment or like one of those Swiss cheeses they are so full of huge holes and over guessergramed figures that we are missing the real picture here, the Semi truck mentions the word Diesel fuel, I admit it might make a gallon of fuel go that little bit further, but burning one fuel to produce another is a sure way to burn it all, its long term effect will be the same, gone.

    In this ever expanding same day next day Britain is where most of our problems lie, we would be much better off planning for the future, for local home grown products instead of wasting the energy as I have already spoken about, bringing a bucket of steam from China, sorry to be so blunt here but its just like that.

    What I cannot understand is, oil is so cheap at the moment, why on earth arn’t we doing something more right now, if there are some really wierd and wonderful energy saving ideas that will help elleviate our problems, why are thay not doing it today, surely this has to be the best way out as you call it for everyone, why keep it a best kept secret until its too late, doesn’t hold water I’m affraid.

    Oil is king at the moment and we had better get to the bottom of our problems before we get to the bottom of the well, or you know full well what is going to happen, prince charles has been trying to tell us about it for decades, seems no one is listening though, time will tell I suppose.

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  • http://Web steve

    The fact that people are even throwing around numbers that we may run out of oil in a mere 30 years is all we should need to know. Even if that number is 100 years or more it is still something we need to start acting on. How foolish it sounds to quibble about the number as all of the estimates are pretty eminent. The sad thing is that most people probably have no idea that we could run out of oil that fast.

  • http://Web howard huges

    There was a planet called earth. Human beings used oil wells to obtain oil. One day oil was all gone. Our history has proven that it takes oil to lubricate a planet. Early man found out the hard way by depleting oil, the major ingredient and most basic element for planet function. Today if we were living on earth without its internal clock movement there would be no movement at all. When earth was in existence, there came a time when there were oil men that harvest all oil. Mankind used oil to run their engines. You put a tiny hole in the crank case and drive what early man called a car down the road, sooner or later it would run out of the stuff (OIL) causing the engine to freeze up rendering it useless. Through time man has progressed. We know now that if you burn all the oil out of a planet there is NO more lubrication to run the planet. If you can name the author of these words you are a very smart man. Great earthquakes and tidal waves will destroy the earth too and causing all life to cease. A planet without oil is a dead planet. Renewable energy is the future. The sun on earth shined for billions of years and created far more energy than any other man could muster. Foot note: Earth had oil mongers. If you want your planet to function for millenniums to come, stop this now or suffer the consequences.

  • http://Web T

    The real problem is not technology, the problem is the collapse of the global economy following a switch from fossil fuels…which will bring on a horrific period in human society……why most clean energy technologies are not profitable the way fossil fuels are.

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  • E

    What ever happened to expect the best but prepare for the worst? We just need to make movement towards renewable energy sources. We may never run out of oil, but the creation of addtional jobs and processes will only progress society forward instead of relying on facts the the majority of the population can’t back up.

  • james braselton

    hi there we have solar power hydro power hilium 3 on moon hurican power tornado power valcano power black hole power wind power

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