Comments on: Boeing, Virgin, Join Group Committed to Biofuel Development for Commercial Airlines http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/ Next Generation Cars and Fuels Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:26:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tom Selleck http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-26184 Tom Selleck Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:22:16 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-26184 I'm glad to see the airline industry is looking into bio-diesel and other fuel forms. However, with the amount of fuel commercial jets utilize it is hard to image a more cost effective way of delivering passengers. I’m glad to see the airline industry is looking into bio-diesel and other fuel forms. However, with the amount of fuel commercial jets utilize it is hard to image a more cost effective way of delivering passengers.

]]> By: ryncef http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25788 ryncef Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:20:20 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25788 ....and btw, did you know that the biofuels from UOP's technology (others have it too) are SPKs that are chemically identical to the fuels certified by USAF currently Only if the FT-coal people are able to be successful in blocking renewable-based SPKs from certification (their goal), will renewable SPKs not be in the supply chain. Increasingly, this only coal, only gas SPK approach is on shaky ground as the blatant self interest by the FT / coal sector is exposed.... ….and btw, did you know that the biofuels from UOP’s technology (others have it too) are SPKs that are chemically identical to the fuels certified by USAF currently

Only if the FT-coal people are able to be successful in blocking renewable-based SPKs from certification (their goal), will renewable SPKs not be in the supply chain.

Increasingly, this only coal, only gas SPK approach is on shaky ground as the blatant self interest by the FT / coal sector is exposed….

]]> By: ryncef http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25787 ryncef Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:15:03 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25787 yes, but those coal and gas sourced fuels from the fischer tropsch process are 1) not financially viable and 2) use incredible amounts of fresh water and 3) emit significantly more life cycle Co2 than petroleum. talk to ANYONE in the energy sector, who doesn't have a stake in fischer tropsch SPKs and they will tell you the same thing: FT fuels are non starters, commercially. Quote from mckinsey energy expert:"the Ft people have been saying for decades they'll get their costs down, well, they haven't" Now if USAF wants to rake taxpayers over the coals (pun intended) and charge them for subsidizing dirty and expensive fossil based alternatives, that is their choice. As for commercial aviation, they must have viable, sustainable alternatives yes, but those coal and gas sourced fuels from the fischer tropsch process are 1) not financially viable and 2) use incredible amounts of fresh water and 3) emit significantly more life cycle Co2 than petroleum.

talk to ANYONE in the energy sector, who doesn’t have a stake in fischer tropsch SPKs and they will tell you the same thing: FT fuels are non starters, commercially. Quote from mckinsey energy expert:”the Ft people have been saying for decades they’ll get their costs down, well, they haven’t”

Now if USAF wants to rake taxpayers over the coals (pun intended) and charge them for subsidizing dirty and expensive fossil based alternatives, that is their choice.

As for commercial aviation, they must have viable, sustainable alternatives

]]> By: ChuckL http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25709 ChuckL Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:28:07 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/09/29/boeing-virgin-join-group-committed-to-biofuel-development-for-commercial-airlines/#comment-25709 This is interesting, but did you know that the U. S. Air Force already has many aircraft certified for use of a synfuel that is half JP8 and half synthetic paraffinic kerosene. The B-52 and C-17 are certified. The synthetic paraffinic kerosene is currently made from natural gas, but can also be made from coal. This is interesting, but did you know that the U. S. Air Force already has many aircraft certified for use of a synfuel that is half JP8 and half synthetic paraffinic kerosene. The B-52 and C-17 are certified. The synthetic paraffinic kerosene is currently made from natural gas, but can also be made from coal.

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