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	<title>Comments on: Aquaflow Strikes Oil with &quot;Green Crude&quot; from Algae</title>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reduced American consumption of oil at any price due to the depression we find ourselves in will only make oil cheaper for the Chinese, and easier for them to cut our throats in the marketplace. We are at tho top of a very steep hill, and oil from algae, a good idea when oil was $147.00 bbl seems very far from the solution to our economic woes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reduced American consumption of oil at any price due to the depression we find ourselves in will only make oil cheaper for the Chinese, and easier for them to cut our throats in the marketplace. We are at tho top of a very steep hill, and oil from algae, a good idea when oil was $147.00 bbl seems very far from the solution to our economic woes.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-26976</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reduced American consumption of oil at any price due to the depression we find ourselves in will only make oil cheaper for the Chinese, and easier for them to cut our throats in the marketplace. We are at tho top of a very steep hill, and oil from algae, a good idea when oil was $147.00 bbl seems very far from the solution to our economic woes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reduced American consumption of oil at any price due to the depression we find ourselves in will only make oil cheaper for the Chinese, and easier for them to cut our throats in the marketplace. We are at tho top of a very steep hill, and oil from algae, a good idea when oil was $147.00 bbl seems very far from the solution to our economic woes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cudnoski</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-4598</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cudnoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only problem with the fuel produced is it’s no good in cold climates: freezes in the fuel lines. &quot;



If you are talking about biodiesel use in northern climates you are correct:  there are problems with gelling.  However, you would have to consider that biodiesel made from different feedstocks has different properties.  For example canola oil is thinner and so produces a thinner biodiesel than soy oil due to its shorter carbon chains which freeze/crystalize/gel at higher temperatures.



Algae strains can be cultivated with higher levels of the thinner oils for use in northern climates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only problem with the fuel produced is it’s no good in cold climates: freezes in the fuel lines. &#8221;</p>
<p>If you are talking about biodiesel use in northern climates you are correct:  there are problems with gelling.  However, you would have to consider that biodiesel made from different feedstocks has different properties.  For example canola oil is thinner and so produces a thinner biodiesel than soy oil due to its shorter carbon chains which freeze/crystalize/gel at higher temperatures.</p>
<p>Algae strains can be cultivated with higher levels of the thinner oils for use in northern climates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cudnoski</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-26975</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cudnoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only problem with the fuel produced is it’s no good in cold climates: freezes in the fuel lines. &quot;



If you are talking about biodiesel use in northern climates you are correct:  there are problems with gelling.  However, you would have to consider that biodiesel made from different feedstocks has different properties.  For example canola oil is thinner and so produces a thinner biodiesel than soy oil due to its shorter carbon chains which freeze/crystalize/gel at higher temperatures.



Algae strains can be cultivated with higher levels of the thinner oils for use in northern climates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only problem with the fuel produced is it’s no good in cold climates: freezes in the fuel lines. &#8221;</p>
<p>If you are talking about biodiesel use in northern climates you are correct:  there are problems with gelling.  However, you would have to consider that biodiesel made from different feedstocks has different properties.  For example canola oil is thinner and so produces a thinner biodiesel than soy oil due to its shorter carbon chains which freeze/crystalize/gel at higher temperatures.</p>
<p>Algae strains can be cultivated with higher levels of the thinner oils for use in northern climates.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas J Mattingly in Washington, DC</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-4597</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas J Mattingly in Washington, DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pEEk OIL, PEAK PRICING, AND PIQUE BIO-GAS (TOO)?



There is plenty of oil, gas &amp; coal on the planet; and it&#039;s cheap to produce. But producers only let us pEEk at a portion of the global glut of oil, gas &amp; coal.



Have you noticed that oil &amp; gas deposits act as a magnet for wars, terrorism &amp; chaos (e.g., Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Columbia, Falklands, etc., etc.)?  The quantity of UN-PROVEN reserves in those areas is HUGE.  &quot;Peak Oil,&quot; my gas!



The big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls have artificially suppressed &amp; prevented exploration, drilling, mining, refining, transport &amp; marketing (now with disguises of environmentalism &amp; Global Farting). This maintains Peak Pricing.  Sell less.  Charge more.  (A lot more.)



&#039;Peak Pricing&#039; is a function of big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls running scared.  Algae-based &amp; other biofuels are growing in market potential -- and may be cheap.



However, the real &#039;Killer App&#039; for &#039;Peak Pricing&#039; may be the Tesla-type &#039;New Energy&#039; technologies (e.g., so-called &#039;Zero Point Energy,&#039; which may be a misnomer that misleads the scientists &amp; funders RE-developing these quasi-simple energy technologies).



As biofuels &amp; other energy tech cheaply come to market, big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls exploit current energy oligopolies to continue Peak Pricing.  Quasi-scientific, neo-Malthusian, global-farting alarmists semi-wittingly assist the big, legally-price-gouging hydrocarbon producers in their Peak Pricing exploits.



Aqua-Flow &amp; other biofuels companies do us a favor by mounting market-based attacks on Peak Pricing.  We may want to fund &amp; pique these bio-fuels in the gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pEEk OIL, PEAK PRICING, AND PIQUE BIO-GAS (TOO)?</p>
<p>There is plenty of oil, gas &amp; coal on the planet; and it&#8217;s cheap to produce. But producers only let us pEEk at a portion of the global glut of oil, gas &amp; coal.</p>
<p>Have you noticed that oil &amp; gas deposits act as a magnet for wars, terrorism &amp; chaos (e.g., Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Columbia, Falklands, etc., etc.)?  The quantity of UN-PROVEN reserves in those areas is HUGE.  &#8220;Peak Oil,&#8221; my gas!</p>
<p>The big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls have artificially suppressed &amp; prevented exploration, drilling, mining, refining, transport &amp; marketing (now with disguises of environmentalism &amp; Global Farting). This maintains Peak Pricing.  Sell less.  Charge more.  (A lot more.)</p>
<p>&#8216;Peak Pricing&#8217; is a function of big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls running scared.  Algae-based &amp; other biofuels are growing in market potential &#8212; and may be cheap.</p>
<p>However, the real &#8216;Killer App&#8217; for &#8216;Peak Pricing&#8217; may be the Tesla-type &#8216;New Energy&#8217; technologies (e.g., so-called &#8216;Zero Point Energy,&#8217; which may be a misnomer that misleads the scientists &amp; funders RE-developing these quasi-simple energy technologies).</p>
<p>As biofuels &amp; other energy tech cheaply come to market, big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls exploit current energy oligopolies to continue Peak Pricing.  Quasi-scientific, neo-Malthusian, global-farting alarmists semi-wittingly assist the big, legally-price-gouging hydrocarbon producers in their Peak Pricing exploits.</p>
<p>Aqua-Flow &amp; other biofuels companies do us a favor by mounting market-based attacks on Peak Pricing.  We may want to fund &amp; pique these bio-fuels in the gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas J Mattingly in Washingt</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-26974</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas J Mattingly in Washingt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pEEk OIL, PEAK PRICING, AND PIQUE BIO-GAS (TOO)?



There is plenty of oil, gas &amp; coal on the planet; and it&#039;s cheap to produce. But producers only let us pEEk at a portion of the global glut of oil, gas &amp; coal.



Have you noticed that oil &amp; gas deposits act as a magnet for wars, terrorism &amp; chaos (e.g., Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Columbia, Falklands, etc., etc.)?  The quantity of UN-PROVEN reserves in those areas is HUGE.  &quot;Peak Oil,&quot; my gas!



The big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls have artificially suppressed &amp; prevented exploration, drilling, mining, refining, transport &amp; marketing (now with disguises of environmentalism &amp; Global Farting). This maintains Peak Pricing.  Sell less.  Charge more.  (A lot more.)



&#039;Peak Pricing&#039; is a function of big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls running scared.  Algae-based &amp; other biofuels are growing in market potential -- and may be cheap.



However, the real &#039;Killer App&#039; for &#039;Peak Pricing&#039; may be the Tesla-type &#039;New Energy&#039; technologies (e.g., so-called &#039;Zero Point Energy,&#039; which may be a misnomer that misleads the scientists &amp; funders RE-developing these quasi-simple energy technologies).



As biofuels &amp; other energy tech cheaply come to market, big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls exploit current energy oligopolies to continue Peak Pricing.  Quasi-scientific, neo-Malthusian, global-farting alarmists semi-wittingly assist the big, legally-price-gouging hydrocarbon producers in their Peak Pricing exploits.



Aqua-Flow &amp; other biofuels companies do us a favor by mounting market-based attacks on Peak Pricing.  We may want to fund &amp; pique these bio-fuels in the gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pEEk OIL, PEAK PRICING, AND PIQUE BIO-GAS (TOO)?</p>
<p>There is plenty of oil, gas &amp; coal on the planet; and it&#8217;s cheap to produce. But producers only let us pEEk at a portion of the global glut of oil, gas &amp; coal.</p>
<p>Have you noticed that oil &amp; gas deposits act as a magnet for wars, terrorism &amp; chaos (e.g., Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Columbia, Falklands, etc., etc.)?  The quantity of UN-PROVEN reserves in those areas is HUGE.  &#8220;Peak Oil,&#8221; my gas!</p>
<p>The big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls have artificially suppressed &amp; prevented exploration, drilling, mining, refining, transport &amp; marketing (now with disguises of environmentalism &amp; Global Farting). This maintains Peak Pricing.  Sell less.  Charge more.  (A lot more.)</p>
<p>&#8216;Peak Pricing&#8217; is a function of big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls running scared.  Algae-based &amp; other biofuels are growing in market potential &#8212; and may be cheap.</p>
<p>However, the real &#8216;Killer App&#8217; for &#8216;Peak Pricing&#8217; may be the Tesla-type &#8216;New Energy&#8217; technologies (e.g., so-called &#8216;Zero Point Energy,&#8217; which may be a misnomer that misleads the scientists &amp; funders RE-developing these quasi-simple energy technologies).</p>
<p>As biofuels &amp; other energy tech cheaply come to market, big Hydrocarbon Boys &amp; Girls exploit current energy oligopolies to continue Peak Pricing.  Quasi-scientific, neo-Malthusian, global-farting alarmists semi-wittingly assist the big, legally-price-gouging hydrocarbon producers in their Peak Pricing exploits.</p>
<p>Aqua-Flow &amp; other biofuels companies do us a favor by mounting market-based attacks on Peak Pricing.  We may want to fund &amp; pique these bio-fuels in the gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Durwood Dugger</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-4596</link>
		<dc:creator>Durwood Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until they report and post their actual production and processing cost, pardon me if I yawn again. I suspect the catch line here is a &quot;commercially competitive price.&quot; Most biofuel producers are so far from market realities that &quot;competitive&quot; could mean anything.  Any competitive biofuel has to compete with the commodity market price for a similar petroleum based fuel and or crude. To date I haven&#039;t found any algae oil company that can produce biodiesel that&#039;s even competitive with vegetable oil at about $8.00/gal. That isn&#039;t anywhere close to &quot;competitive&quot; with anything. We have to remember that as late as 2003 that crude oil was being sold under $30/barrel - that means actual production cost were much lower. Remember that in 1998 crude prices were under $13 a barrel. While prices may have risen some what, I think you can see that crude production costs are much, much, lower than $30 a barrel - or lower than about $0.75/ gallon (2003 crude prices). This means that BIG OIL can, have and will shut out bio fuel developers at will, simply by lowering the prices - far below the costs of algae oip production and processing.



So when Aquaflow posts their crude algae oil production (and more importantly their certified processing costs) below $0.75/gallon - or even a biodiesel below $3.00/gal - they&#039;ll make me a believer in their not so unusual processes (compared to all the other algae oil developers). Without actual costs being reported... yawn, it&#039;s just another day in the biofuel investor seeking PR world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until they report and post their actual production and processing cost, pardon me if I yawn again. I suspect the catch line here is a &#8220;commercially competitive price.&#8221; Most biofuel producers are so far from market realities that &#8220;competitive&#8221; could mean anything.  Any competitive biofuel has to compete with the commodity market price for a similar petroleum based fuel and or crude. To date I haven&#8217;t found any algae oil company that can produce biodiesel that&#8217;s even competitive with vegetable oil at about $8.00/gal. That isn&#8217;t anywhere close to &#8220;competitive&#8221; with anything. We have to remember that as late as 2003 that crude oil was being sold under $30/barrel &#8211; that means actual production cost were much lower. Remember that in 1998 crude prices were under $13 a barrel. While prices may have risen some what, I think you can see that crude production costs are much, much, lower than $30 a barrel &#8211; or lower than about $0.75/ gallon (2003 crude prices). This means that BIG OIL can, have and will shut out bio fuel developers at will, simply by lowering the prices &#8211; far below the costs of algae oip production and processing.</p>
<p>So when Aquaflow posts their crude algae oil production (and more importantly their certified processing costs) below $0.75/gallon &#8211; or even a biodiesel below $3.00/gal &#8211; they&#8217;ll make me a believer in their not so unusual processes (compared to all the other algae oil developers). Without actual costs being reported&#8230; yawn, it&#8217;s just another day in the biofuel investor seeking PR world.</p>
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		<title>By: Durwood Dugger</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-26973</link>
		<dc:creator>Durwood Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until they report and post their actual production and processing cost, pardon me if I yawn again. I suspect the catch line here is a &quot;commercially competitive price.&quot; Most biofuel producers are so far from market realities that &quot;competitive&quot; could mean anything.  Any competitive biofuel has to compete with the commodity market price for a similar petroleum based fuel and or crude. To date I haven&#039;t found any algae oil company that can produce biodiesel that&#039;s even competitive with vegetable oil at about $8.00/gal. That isn&#039;t anywhere close to &quot;competitive&quot; with anything. We have to remember that as late as 2003 that crude oil was being sold under $30/barrel - that means actual production cost were much lower. Remember that in 1998 crude prices were under $13 a barrel. While prices may have risen some what, I think you can see that crude production costs are much, much, lower than $30 a barrel - or lower than about $0.75/ gallon (2003 crude prices). This means that BIG OIL can, have and will shut out bio fuel developers at will, simply by lowering the prices - far below the costs of algae oip production and processing.



So when Aquaflow posts their crude algae oil production (and more importantly their certified processing costs) below $0.75/gallon - or even a biodiesel below $3.00/gal - they&#039;ll make me a believer in their not so unusual processes (compared to all the other algae oil developers). Without actual costs being reported... yawn, it&#039;s just another day in the biofuel investor seeking PR world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until they report and post their actual production and processing cost, pardon me if I yawn again. I suspect the catch line here is a &#8220;commercially competitive price.&#8221; Most biofuel producers are so far from market realities that &#8220;competitive&#8221; could mean anything.  Any competitive biofuel has to compete with the commodity market price for a similar petroleum based fuel and or crude. To date I haven&#8217;t found any algae oil company that can produce biodiesel that&#8217;s even competitive with vegetable oil at about $8.00/gal. That isn&#8217;t anywhere close to &#8220;competitive&#8221; with anything. We have to remember that as late as 2003 that crude oil was being sold under $30/barrel &#8211; that means actual production cost were much lower. Remember that in 1998 crude prices were under $13 a barrel. While prices may have risen some what, I think you can see that crude production costs are much, much, lower than $30 a barrel &#8211; or lower than about $0.75/ gallon (2003 crude prices). This means that BIG OIL can, have and will shut out bio fuel developers at will, simply by lowering the prices &#8211; far below the costs of algae oip production and processing.</p>
<p>So when Aquaflow posts their crude algae oil production (and more importantly their certified processing costs) below $0.75/gallon &#8211; or even a biodiesel below $3.00/gal &#8211; they&#8217;ll make me a believer in their not so unusual processes (compared to all the other algae oil developers). Without actual costs being reported&#8230; yawn, it&#8217;s just another day in the biofuel investor seeking PR world.</p>
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		<title>By: B Dubya</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-4595</link>
		<dc:creator>B Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geesh.

Go check out the 6 to 10 inch layer of oily muck on the sea floor off the mouth of the Mississippi in the Gulf. The result of a huge algae bloom.

Where do you think oil and coal comes from, anyway? (Well, if you believe the Russian, oil comes from calcium carbonate and iron, but I digress...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geesh.</p>
<p>Go check out the 6 to 10 inch layer of oily muck on the sea floor off the mouth of the Mississippi in the Gulf. The result of a huge algae bloom.</p>
<p>Where do you think oil and coal comes from, anyway? (Well, if you believe the Russian, oil comes from calcium carbonate and iron, but I digress&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: B Dubya</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/16/aquaflow-strikes-oil-with-green-crude-from-algae/#comment-26972</link>
		<dc:creator>B Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geesh.

Go check out the 6 to 10 inch layer of oily muck on the sea floor off the mouth of the Mississippi in the Gulf. The result of a huge algae bloom.

Where do you think oil and coal comes from, anyway? (Well, if you believe the Russian, oil comes from calcium carbonate and iron, but I digress...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geesh.</p>
<p>Go check out the 6 to 10 inch layer of oily muck on the sea floor off the mouth of the Mississippi in the Gulf. The result of a huge algae bloom.</p>
<p>Where do you think oil and coal comes from, anyway? (Well, if you believe the Russian, oil comes from calcium carbonate and iron, but I digress&#8230;)</p>
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