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	<title>Comments on: It&#039;s True: Honda Has Prius Clone — Designers Lack Creativity</title>
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		<title>By: Masaki</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5188</link>
		<dc:creator>Masaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota owners just want to think that the Prius was an original design.  Far from it.  Honda wasn&#039;t either, but the original Insight IS the first US/Japanese Market mass production vehicle to use the design.  It is based on a little known (well known to people who really know the history of cars, little known to some car-bloggers and so-called editors at edmunds.com, motortrend etc) as the Kamm/Koenig-Fachsenfeld Design.



The design molds two different aspects of aerodynamic design, one of which, the Kamm-back, describes a flat cutoff end which retains as much of the cross-sectional area of the car, reducing overall drag.  The second aspect is that the tear-drop shape has the least surface resistance.  The two-combined is what yielded the original Insight design, that which the Prius took and added another set of doors.



In this day and age of editorials and blogs, it is sad that so many people are misinformed/misled by false information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota owners just want to think that the Prius was an original design.  Far from it.  Honda wasn&#8217;t either, but the original Insight IS the first US/Japanese Market mass production vehicle to use the design.  It is based on a little known (well known to people who really know the history of cars, little known to some car-bloggers and so-called editors at edmunds.com, motortrend etc) as the Kamm/Koenig-Fachsenfeld Design.</p>
<p>The design molds two different aspects of aerodynamic design, one of which, the Kamm-back, describes a flat cutoff end which retains as much of the cross-sectional area of the car, reducing overall drag.  The second aspect is that the tear-drop shape has the least surface resistance.  The two-combined is what yielded the original Insight design, that which the Prius took and added another set of doors.</p>
<p>In this day and age of editorials and blogs, it is sad that so many people are misinformed/misled by false information.</p>
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		<title>By: Masaki</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-26552</link>
		<dc:creator>Masaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota owners just want to think that the Prius was an original design.  Far from it.  Honda wasn&#039;t either, but the original Insight IS the first US/Japanese Market mass production vehicle to use the design.  It is based on a little known (well known to people who really know the history of cars, little known to some car-bloggers and so-called editors at edmunds.com, motortrend etc) as the Kamm/Koenig-Fachsenfeld Design.



The design molds two different aspects of aerodynamic design, one of which, the Kamm-back, describes a flat cutoff end which retains as much of the cross-sectional area of the car, reducing overall drag.  The second aspect is that the tear-drop shape has the least surface resistance.  The two-combined is what yielded the original Insight design, that which the Prius took and added another set of doors.



In this day and age of editorials and blogs, it is sad that so many people are misinformed/misled by false information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota owners just want to think that the Prius was an original design.  Far from it.  Honda wasn&#8217;t either, but the original Insight IS the first US/Japanese Market mass production vehicle to use the design.  It is based on a little known (well known to people who really know the history of cars, little known to some car-bloggers and so-called editors at edmunds.com, motortrend etc) as the Kamm/Koenig-Fachsenfeld Design.</p>
<p>The design molds two different aspects of aerodynamic design, one of which, the Kamm-back, describes a flat cutoff end which retains as much of the cross-sectional area of the car, reducing overall drag.  The second aspect is that the tear-drop shape has the least surface resistance.  The two-combined is what yielded the original Insight design, that which the Prius took and added another set of doors.</p>
<p>In this day and age of editorials and blogs, it is sad that so many people are misinformed/misled by false information.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Chambers</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5187</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,



You obviously have no knowledge of how to be a decent human being, aside from what you&#039;ve learned from other jerks.



To fully understand what I know, you can peruse the rest of my writings here on gas 2.0, read what I&#039;ve written for the New York Times, and read this particular article for more info on the aerodynamics question:



http://gas2.org/2008/09/15/do-cars-really-need-to-look-like-ufos-to-save-gas/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>You obviously have no knowledge of how to be a decent human being, aside from what you&#8217;ve learned from other jerks.</p>
<p>To fully understand what I know, you can peruse the rest of my writings here on gas 2.0, read what I&#8217;ve written for the New York Times, and read this particular article for more info on the aerodynamics question:</p>
<p><a href="http://gas2.org/2008/09/15/do-cars-really-need-to-look-like-ufos-to-save-gas/" rel="nofollow">http://gas2.org/2008/09/15/do-cars-really-need-to-look-like-ufos-to-save-gas/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat O'Donnel</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5186</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat O'Donnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,



Obviously you have no knowledge of Honda, other than what you read from other uninformed writers.  Here&#039;s an informed take on the copy-cat subject by Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing at edmunds.com:



Let&#039;s address the elephant in the room first, shall we? Many who have seen early photographs of the 2010 Honda Insight Hybrid have dismissed it as nothing more than a carbon copy of a Toyota Prius.



These people would be wrong.



What &quot;these people&quot; are forgetting is what was said about the current Toyota Prius when it first debuted in the fall of 2003. &quot;It looks like a four-door Honda CRX,&quot; they whined.



Honda Copied...Honda

Much of this finger-pointing stems from the nearly horizontal rear glass of the 2010 Honda Insight with its vertical, peekaboo rear window for enhanced rearward visibility.



The vertical glass panel allows the Insight to fully exploit the widely recognized aerodynamic principles of Wunibald Kamm, who discovered that if one abruptly chopped the tail end off a teardrop, the most streamlined of shapes, most of the low-drag goodness would remain. A Kamm back, they call it.



Yes, the Toyota Prius has this very arrangement. But so did the 2000-&#039;06 Honda Insight and the 1988-&#039;91 Honda CRX before it. That the 2010 Insight looks this way is no accident, because Yasunari Seki, chief engineer for the 2010 Honda Insight, made his name at Honda while working on the CRX HF.



And that&#039;s just what the 2010 Honda Insight is, more or less: a hybrid version of the late Honda CRX HF, but with four doors, room for five passengers, up-to-date safety features and modern conveniences.



With respect to the 2010 Honda Insight, Honda is guilty of copying no one but itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Obviously you have no knowledge of Honda, other than what you read from other uninformed writers.  Here&#8217;s an informed take on the copy-cat subject by Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing at edmunds.com:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s address the elephant in the room first, shall we? Many who have seen early photographs of the 2010 Honda Insight Hybrid have dismissed it as nothing more than a carbon copy of a Toyota Prius.</p>
<p>These people would be wrong.</p>
<p>What &#8220;these people&#8221; are forgetting is what was said about the current Toyota Prius when it first debuted in the fall of 2003. &#8220;It looks like a four-door Honda CRX,&#8221; they whined.</p>
<p>Honda Copied&#8230;Honda</p>
<p>Much of this finger-pointing stems from the nearly horizontal rear glass of the 2010 Honda Insight with its vertical, peekaboo rear window for enhanced rearward visibility.</p>
<p>The vertical glass panel allows the Insight to fully exploit the widely recognized aerodynamic principles of Wunibald Kamm, who discovered that if one abruptly chopped the tail end off a teardrop, the most streamlined of shapes, most of the low-drag goodness would remain. A Kamm back, they call it.</p>
<p>Yes, the Toyota Prius has this very arrangement. But so did the 2000-&#8217;06 Honda Insight and the 1988-&#8217;91 Honda CRX before it. That the 2010 Insight looks this way is no accident, because Yasunari Seki, chief engineer for the 2010 Honda Insight, made his name at Honda while working on the CRX HF.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just what the 2010 Honda Insight is, more or less: a hybrid version of the late Honda CRX HF, but with four doors, room for five passengers, up-to-date safety features and modern conveniences.</p>
<p>With respect to the 2010 Honda Insight, Honda is guilty of copying no one but itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat O'Donnel</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-26551</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat O'Donnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,



Obviously you have no knowledge of Honda, other than what you read from other uninformed writers.  Here&#039;s an informed take on the copy-cat subject by Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing at edmunds.com:



Let&#039;s address the elephant in the room first, shall we? Many who have seen early photographs of the 2010 Honda Insight Hybrid have dismissed it as nothing more than a carbon copy of a Toyota Prius.



These people would be wrong.



What &quot;these people&quot; are forgetting is what was said about the current Toyota Prius when it first debuted in the fall of 2003. &quot;It looks like a four-door Honda CRX,&quot; they whined.



Honda Copied...Honda

Much of this finger-pointing stems from the nearly horizontal rear glass of the 2010 Honda Insight with its vertical, peekaboo rear window for enhanced rearward visibility.



The vertical glass panel allows the Insight to fully exploit the widely recognized aerodynamic principles of Wunibald Kamm, who discovered that if one abruptly chopped the tail end off a teardrop, the most streamlined of shapes, most of the low-drag goodness would remain. A Kamm back, they call it.



Yes, the Toyota Prius has this very arrangement. But so did the 2000-&#039;06 Honda Insight and the 1988-&#039;91 Honda CRX before it. That the 2010 Insight looks this way is no accident, because Yasunari Seki, chief engineer for the 2010 Honda Insight, made his name at Honda while working on the CRX HF.



And that&#039;s just what the 2010 Honda Insight is, more or less: a hybrid version of the late Honda CRX HF, but with four doors, room for five passengers, up-to-date safety features and modern conveniences.



With respect to the 2010 Honda Insight, Honda is guilty of copying no one but itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Obviously you have no knowledge of Honda, other than what you read from other uninformed writers.  Here&#8217;s an informed take on the copy-cat subject by Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing at edmunds.com:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s address the elephant in the room first, shall we? Many who have seen early photographs of the 2010 Honda Insight Hybrid have dismissed it as nothing more than a carbon copy of a Toyota Prius.</p>
<p>These people would be wrong.</p>
<p>What &#8220;these people&#8221; are forgetting is what was said about the current Toyota Prius when it first debuted in the fall of 2003. &#8220;It looks like a four-door Honda CRX,&#8221; they whined.</p>
<p>Honda Copied&#8230;Honda</p>
<p>Much of this finger-pointing stems from the nearly horizontal rear glass of the 2010 Honda Insight with its vertical, peekaboo rear window for enhanced rearward visibility.</p>
<p>The vertical glass panel allows the Insight to fully exploit the widely recognized aerodynamic principles of Wunibald Kamm, who discovered that if one abruptly chopped the tail end off a teardrop, the most streamlined of shapes, most of the low-drag goodness would remain. A Kamm back, they call it.</p>
<p>Yes, the Toyota Prius has this very arrangement. But so did the 2000-&#8217;06 Honda Insight and the 1988-&#8217;91 Honda CRX before it. That the 2010 Insight looks this way is no accident, because Yasunari Seki, chief engineer for the 2010 Honda Insight, made his name at Honda while working on the CRX HF.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just what the 2010 Honda Insight is, more or less: a hybrid version of the late Honda CRX HF, but with four doors, room for five passengers, up-to-date safety features and modern conveniences.</p>
<p>With respect to the 2010 Honda Insight, Honda is guilty of copying no one but itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5185</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang Nick, you went and kicked over a nest of Honda lovers. How dare you speak ill of our Japanese overlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang Nick, you went and kicked over a nest of Honda lovers. How dare you speak ill of our Japanese overlords.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-26550</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang Nick, you went and kicked over a nest of Honda lovers. How dare you speak ill of our Japanese overlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang Nick, you went and kicked over a nest of Honda lovers. How dare you speak ill of our Japanese overlords.</p>
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		<title>By: Want to Ask Questions to Honda Chief Engineer About Hybrid Car? : Gas 2.0</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5184</link>
		<dc:creator>Want to Ask Questions to Honda Chief Engineer About Hybrid Car? : Gas 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agree with Nick Chambers that the new Insight Concept resembles the Prius, but I also thought that the second generation Prius was similar to the first generation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agree with Nick Chambers that the new Insight Concept resembles the Prius, but I also thought that the second generation Prius was similar to the first generation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-5183</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All aerodynamic cars don&#039;t have to look the same. The EV1 was more aerodynamic than either of these, and so was the Dymaxion car from 1933 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs

The next generation will be even more efficient like the Aptera http://www.aptera.com/



I suspect the Honda&#039;s shape grew out of &quot;lets make something that we already know will sell, but make it a little cheaper&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All aerodynamic cars don&#8217;t have to look the same. The EV1 was more aerodynamic than either of these, and so was the Dymaxion car from 1933 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs</a></p>
<p>The next generation will be even more efficient like the Aptera <a href="http://www.aptera.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aptera.com/</a></p>
<p>I suspect the Honda&#8217;s shape grew out of &#8220;lets make something that we already know will sell, but make it a little cheaper&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gas2.org/2008/09/04/its-true-honda-has-prius-clone-designers-lack-creativity/#comment-26549</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All aerodynamic cars don&#039;t have to look the same. The EV1 was more aerodynamic than either of these, and so was the Dymaxion car from 1933 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs

The next generation will be even more efficient like the Aptera http://www.aptera.com/



I suspect the Honda&#039;s shape grew out of &quot;lets make something that we already know will sell, but make it a little cheaper&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All aerodynamic cars don&#8217;t have to look the same. The EV1 was more aerodynamic than either of these, and so was the Dymaxion car from 1933 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs</a></p>
<p>The next generation will be even more efficient like the Aptera <a href="http://www.aptera.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aptera.com/</a></p>
<p>I suspect the Honda&#8217;s shape grew out of &#8220;lets make something that we already know will sell, but make it a little cheaper&#8221;.</p>
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