Comments on: Dutch Company to Sell Cheap, Powerful Electric Cars by End of 2009 http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:40:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JSTDADD http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-5136 JSTDADD Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:08:29 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-5136 JustWatching: battery storage systems, or supercapacitor banks within the charging stations can easily be programmed to take power off the grid only when excess (and can actually push power to the grid when an emergency need comes up.) Those batteries then power the rechargers. Look at Altair Nanotechnologies' website (www.altairnano.com) for one example of battery systems like these. The problem with air conditioning load is that it is spotty and surges; the grid often is producing more power than is being used; the (smart) charging stations can use the excess power, and be controlled by the Power Company in that area. All this technology is already available - it is the same system that PHEV-To-Grid technologies use and will use in the future. In Northern California, a pilot project is already being run. See: http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1384 Also: http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2007/10/v2green-making-plug-in-hybrid-to-grid.html JustWatching: battery storage systems, or supercapacitor banks within the charging stations can easily be programmed to take power off the grid only when excess (and can actually push power to the grid when an emergency need comes up.) Those batteries then power the rechargers. Look at Altair Nanotechnologies’ website (www.altairnano.com) for one example of battery systems like these. The problem with air conditioning load is that it is spotty and surges; the grid often is producing more power than is being used; the (smart) charging stations can use the excess power, and be controlled by the Power Company in that area.

All this technology is already available – it is the same system that PHEV-To-Grid technologies use and will use in the future. In Northern California, a pilot project is already being run. See: http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1384

Also: http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2007/10/v2green-making-plug-in-hybrid-to-grid.html

]]> By: JSTDADD http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26493 JSTDADD Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:08:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26493 JustWatching: battery storage systems, or supercapacitor banks within the charging stations can easily be programmed to take power off the grid only when excess (and can actually push power to the grid when an emergency need comes up.) Those batteries then power the rechargers. Look at Altair Nanotechnologies' website (www.altairnano.com) for one example of battery systems like these. The problem with air conditioning load is that it is spotty and surges; the grid often is producing more power than is being used; the (smart) charging stations can use the excess power, and be controlled by the Power Company in that area. All this technology is already available - it is the same system that PHEV-To-Grid technologies use and will use in the future. In Northern California, a pilot project is already being run. See: http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1384 Also: http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2007/10/v2green-making-plug-in-hybrid-to-grid.html JustWatching: battery storage systems, or supercapacitor banks within the charging stations can easily be programmed to take power off the grid only when excess (and can actually push power to the grid when an emergency need comes up.) Those batteries then power the rechargers. Look at Altair Nanotechnologies’ website (www.altairnano.com) for one example of battery systems like these. The problem with air conditioning load is that it is spotty and surges; the grid often is producing more power than is being used; the (smart) charging stations can use the excess power, and be controlled by the Power Company in that area.

All this technology is already available – it is the same system that PHEV-To-Grid technologies use and will use in the future. In Northern California, a pilot project is already being run. See: http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1384

Also: http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2007/10/v2green-making-plug-in-hybrid-to-grid.html

]]> By: Chris http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-5135 Chris Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:28:32 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-5135 just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved. just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved.

]]> By: Chris http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26491 Chris Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:28:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26491 just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved. just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved.

]]> By: Chris http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26492 Chris Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:28:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26492 just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved. just watching: Charge the cars at night, problem solved.

]]> By: Just Watching http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-5134 Just Watching Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:34:26 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-5134 If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day. If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day.

]]> By: Just Watching http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26489 Just Watching Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:34:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26489 If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day. If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day.

]]> By: Just Watching http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26490 Just Watching Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:34:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26490 If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day. If our airconditioners cause blackouts in the summer how can we charge 20 million electric autos every day.

]]> By: Ian Ward http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-5133 Ian Ward Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:25:01 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-5133 My Ford Ranger EV has a 85kg motor (including reduction gearing and differential!) that provides 67kW of power. Without discounting the weight of the gearing and diff, that is still 0.78 kw/kg. The AC Propulsion AC-150 motor is 50kg and provides 150kW of power to yield 3kw/kg. PML Flightlink has a motor that weighs 25kg and produces 120kw for 4.8kw/kg. Tesla improved the AC-Propulsion design for 5.8kw/kg. Do a little research... My Ford Ranger EV has a 85kg motor (including reduction gearing and differential!) that provides 67kW of power. Without discounting the weight of the gearing and diff, that is still 0.78 kw/kg. The AC Propulsion AC-150 motor is 50kg and provides 150kW of power to yield 3kw/kg. PML Flightlink has a motor that weighs 25kg and produces 120kw for 4.8kw/kg. Tesla improved the AC-Propulsion design for 5.8kw/kg. Do a little research…

]]> By: Ian Ward http://gas2.org/2008/09/03/dutch-company-to-sell-cheap-powerful-electric-cars-by-end-of-2009/#comment-26488 Ian Ward Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:25:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=863#comment-26488 My Ford Ranger EV has a 85kg motor (including reduction gearing and differential!) that provides 67kW of power. Without discounting the weight of the gearing and diff, that is still 0.78 kw/kg. The AC Propulsion AC-150 motor is 50kg and provides 150kW of power to yield 3kw/kg. PML Flightlink has a motor that weighs 25kg and produces 120kw for 4.8kw/kg. Tesla improved the AC-Propulsion design for 5.8kw/kg. Do a little research... My Ford Ranger EV has a 85kg motor (including reduction gearing and differential!) that provides 67kW of power. Without discounting the weight of the gearing and diff, that is still 0.78 kw/kg. The AC Propulsion AC-150 motor is 50kg and provides 150kW of power to yield 3kw/kg. PML Flightlink has a motor that weighs 25kg and produces 120kw for 4.8kw/kg. Tesla improved the AC-Propulsion design for 5.8kw/kg. Do a little research…

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