Comments on: Honda Begins "Production" of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Introducing America’s First Transportation Transition Plan : Gas 2.0 http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3386 Introducing America’s First Transportation Transition Plan : Gas 2.0 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:14:26 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3386 [...] Plan. If I live in California, where a hydrogen highway is being developed and I purchase a hydrogen vehicle, how will I get fuel when I drive to Colorado to visit my best friend? The same situation arises if [...] [...] Plan. If I live in California, where a hydrogen highway is being developed and I purchase a hydrogen vehicle, how will I get fuel when I drive to Colorado to visit my best friend? The same situation arises if [...]

]]> By: Thomas http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3385 Thomas Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:59:08 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3385 "compressed hydrogen"...I'm not sure... but 1 liter of liquid hydrogen = 30 Kilos of TNT! “compressed hydrogen”…I’m not sure… but 1 liter of liquid hydrogen = 30 Kilos of TNT!

]]> By: Thomas http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-25004 Thomas Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:59:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-25004 "compressed hydrogen"...I'm not sure... but 1 liter of liquid hydrogen = 30 Kilos of TNT! “compressed hydrogen”…I’m not sure… but 1 liter of liquid hydrogen = 30 Kilos of TNT!

]]> By: Burke Moeller http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3384 Burke Moeller Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:51:31 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3384 Can I get more info on the "potentially explosive nature" of storing compressed hydrogen on board a vehicle. Fuel cells seem the way to go, but what happens to developing the technology when a family of 4 is rear ended and the hydro tank blows up? How safe is this technology? Can I get more info on the “potentially explosive nature” of storing compressed hydrogen on board a vehicle. Fuel cells seem the way to go, but what happens to developing the technology when a family of 4 is rear ended and the hydro tank blows up? How safe is this technology?

]]> By: Burke Moeller http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-25003 Burke Moeller Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:51:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-25003 Can I get more info on the "potentially explosive nature" of storing compressed hydrogen on board a vehicle. Fuel cells seem the way to go, but what happens to developing the technology when a family of 4 is rear ended and the hydro tank blows up? How safe is this technology? Can I get more info on the “potentially explosive nature” of storing compressed hydrogen on board a vehicle. Fuel cells seem the way to go, but what happens to developing the technology when a family of 4 is rear ended and the hydro tank blows up? How safe is this technology?

]]> By: sanjosemike http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3383 sanjosemike Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:37:40 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3383 HYDROGEN FUEL ONLY POSSIBLE AS A BY-PRODUCT OF NUCLEAR PLANTS Hydrogen as a fuel is only possible if it is manufactured as a by-product of nuclear power. It makes no sense to burn fossil fuels to manufacture hydrogen. The hydrogen-oxygen bond is one of the strongest nuclear bonds in existence. It requires an enormous amount of energy to break it. Nuclear power has the ability and power to do this...otherwise..."fogetaboutit.... sanjosemike HYDROGEN FUEL ONLY POSSIBLE AS A BY-PRODUCT OF NUCLEAR PLANTS

Hydrogen as a fuel is only possible if it is manufactured as a by-product of nuclear power. It makes no sense to burn fossil fuels to manufacture hydrogen.

The hydrogen-oxygen bond is one of the strongest nuclear bonds in existence. It requires an enormous amount of energy to break it.

Nuclear power has the ability and power to do this…otherwise…”fogetaboutit….

sanjosemike

]]> By: sanjosemike http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-25002 sanjosemike Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:37:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-25002 HYDROGEN FUEL ONLY POSSIBLE AS A BY-PRODUCT OF NUCLEAR PLANTS Hydrogen as a fuel is only possible if it is manufactured as a by-product of nuclear power. It makes no sense to burn fossil fuels to manufacture hydrogen. The hydrogen-oxygen bond is one of the strongest nuclear bonds in existence. It requires an enormous amount of energy to break it. Nuclear power has the ability and power to do this...otherwise..."fogetaboutit.... sanjosemike HYDROGEN FUEL ONLY POSSIBLE AS A BY-PRODUCT OF NUCLEAR PLANTS

Hydrogen as a fuel is only possible if it is manufactured as a by-product of nuclear power. It makes no sense to burn fossil fuels to manufacture hydrogen.

The hydrogen-oxygen bond is one of the strongest nuclear bonds in existence. It requires an enormous amount of energy to break it.

Nuclear power has the ability and power to do this…otherwise…”fogetaboutit….

sanjosemike

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3382 Jo Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:44:02 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3382 I take umbrage to the arrogance of the oil-producing countries. How DARE they hold us HOSTAGE. I am sick of it. Bring on alternatives. IT IS TIME. I take umbrage to the arrogance of the oil-producing countries. How DARE they hold us HOSTAGE.

I am sick of it.

Bring on alternatives.

IT IS TIME.

]]> By: Jo http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-25001 Jo Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:44:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-25001 I take umbrage to the arrogance of the oil-producing countries. How DARE they hold us HOSTAGE. I am sick of it. Bring on alternatives. IT IS TIME. I take umbrage to the arrogance of the oil-producing countries. How DARE they hold us HOSTAGE.

I am sick of it.

Bring on alternatives.

IT IS TIME.

]]> By: Lee Connolly http://gas2.org/2008/06/18/honda-begins-production-of-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicle/#comment-3381 Lee Connolly Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:00:49 +0000 http://gas2.org/?p=594#comment-3381 Can I just correct you on one technical point that may confuse some of your readers. The Clarity uses a tank with compressed gaseous H2 stored at a pressure of 5000psi, it does not hold compressed "liquid" hydrogen as your statement infers "Because of the potentially explosive nature of storing compressed liquid hydrogen on board". Cryogenic storage of liquid hydrogen on board [as in the BMW Hydrogen7] is a completely different approach to powering an H2 vehicle than the one adopted by Honda in the Clarity. I personally feel H2 will ultimately prove to be the best solution, but of course there will be room for other zero emission solutions such as the plug in electric. I'd like to also point out that there are other ways of enabling the H2 economy without the need of a massively expensive new pipeline infrastructure. Once again gaseous H2 [not liquid] can be produced locally anywhere that has access to electricity and water [with zero CO2 emissions if the electricity is generated by wind, solar, wave] There's a company in the UK who are about to launch a H2 refuelling system using a a breakthrough in cheap electrolyser technology. Using either off peak cheap rate electricity or a roof mounted solar PV system it will be possible to generate your own gaseous hydrogen at home. The company claim that the Mk1 unit will initial supply sufficient H2 at 75bar to power a converted bi-fuel Ford Focus the first 25 miles of any journey on H2 before automatically switching back to petrol. Some will feel that 25 miles is neither here or there but surveys have found that the majority of daily journey actually average less than 25 miles. Therefore in reality the amount of fossil fuel saved will be considerable. The company is called ITM Power. www.itm-power.com The ITM in the name refers to their breakthrough PEM membrane technology, Ion Transfer Materials. Can I just correct you on one technical point that may confuse some of your readers. The Clarity uses a tank with compressed gaseous H2 stored at a pressure of 5000psi, it does not hold compressed “liquid” hydrogen as your statement infers “Because of the potentially explosive nature of storing compressed liquid hydrogen on board”.

Cryogenic storage of liquid hydrogen on board [as in the BMW Hydrogen7] is a completely different approach to powering an H2 vehicle than the one adopted by Honda in the Clarity.

I personally feel H2 will ultimately prove to be the best solution, but of course there will be room for other zero emission solutions such as the plug in electric. I’d like to also point out that there are other ways of enabling the H2 economy without the need of a massively expensive new pipeline infrastructure.

Once again gaseous H2 [not liquid] can be produced locally anywhere that has access to electricity and water [with zero CO2 emissions if the electricity is generated by wind, solar, wave]

There’s a company in the UK who are about to launch a H2 refuelling system using a a breakthrough in cheap electrolyser technology. Using either off peak cheap rate electricity or a roof mounted solar PV system it will be possible to generate your own gaseous hydrogen at home. The company claim that the Mk1 unit will initial supply sufficient H2 at 75bar to power a converted bi-fuel Ford Focus the first 25 miles of any journey on H2 before automatically switching back to petrol.

Some will feel that 25 miles is neither here or there but surveys have found that the majority of daily journey actually average less than 25 miles. Therefore in reality the amount of fossil fuel saved will be considerable. The company is called ITM Power. http://www.itm-power.com The ITM in the name refers to their breakthrough PEM membrane technology, Ion Transfer Materials.

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