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Published on May 29th, 2008 | by Nick Chambers

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Save Gas Without Losing Your Shirt: 3 Gas Saving Devices with High Scam Potential


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[social_buttons] Fuel saving scams, er, devices, have been around for a long time, and now that fuel prices are soaring again, we decided it would be a good time to take a look at a few of the most popular and interesting ones out there.

Since the start of the Iraq War in 2003, oil prices have jumped from $28 per barrel to over $130, with most of that rise occurring in the last year. This fact is made even more stark considering that for all of the last century prior to the current meteoric rise, crude oil prices have averaged about $20 per barrel (adjusted for inflation).

Economists and pundits continue to tussle over who or what is to blame for this, and I could hypothesize about how we’re all being taken to the cleaners by corporate greed, but that’d be a waste of energy, no? The important issue is that fuel costs have gone past the “arm-and-a-leg” stage and are now approaching “firstborn son.”

So, while I’d love to say that hydrocarbon fuel prices don’t matter because we’ve entered the hybrid-biofuel- electric-fuel-cell-hydrogen society, the reality is that I need a fix for my old jalopy quick… and what better place to start than a perusal of some of the spectacular deals to be had on the internet?

First up: FuelMAX

FuelMax ThumbBetter living through magnets, grandad always said. FuelMAX is a magnetic device that you attach to your car’s fuel line to “fracture gasoline hydrocarbon chains through magnetic resonance.” According to the company this could increase your mileage by 27% along with a whole host of other interesting side effects.

Unfortunately, you can’t buy FuelMAX anymore (in the US that is – in Latvia it’s still alive and well). Apparently, it was so popular and worked so well that the US Federal Trade Commission told FuelMAX’s parent company, International Research and Development, to take it off the US market and give people their money back.

Damn big brother, always destroying the hopes and dreams of fledgling corporations. Not to worry though, there are a myriad of other companies out there that sell essentially the same thing and who the Feds have left alone up to this point. Some even go so far as to not only put magnets on the fuel line, but also on the coolant and air intake (Video).

My Take: Magnet fuel savers work so well that the US government is involved in a conspiracy to systematically remove them from existence.

Next up: Cyclone Fuel Saver

Cyclone ProductWhen I was younger we used to watch hours of late night infomercials for fun. You know, the kind where they cover a car in a special wax made of what looks like cosmic fairy dust, and then they shoot a laser at it to show those microscopic fairies in action deflecting the laser from your beautiful car?

In retrospect, watching infomercials for fun was kind of lame, but if I hadn’t, I wouldn’t have fond memories of products like the Cyclone Fuel Saver. This baby purports to create “a swirling air motion, allowing the air to move faster and more efficiently by continuously whirling air around corners and bends.” Which does what exactly? Apparently the swirling effect helps “atomise the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber” which results in a “more complete and efficient burning of the fuel.”

Wow. That sounds totally rad. And I bet it works too. If for some reason you can’t get your hands on one, not to worry, there are lots of other air intake modifications to be had. For instance, the Turbonator comes with “FlowTru™” technology which allows for the maximum amount of air to get to your engine. Also, if you’re inclined to dig around on such things, the Turbonator will make you instantly more popular with women as evidenced in this photo.

My Take: The Cyclone Fuel Saver must not work that well because the Feds haven’t shut it down yet and its been around for at least 10 years.

Last, but for sure not least: Water4Gas

Water4Gas ProductAlthough instantly less cool than other fuel savers because it’s not technically a product and more of a description, Water4Gas has been getting a lot of the limelight recently… as it should. I mean, this company website has it all: vibrant color schemes, third-grade HTML proficiency, a video featuring Jimmy Carter, endless scrolling possibilities, and a money back guarantee from some guy named Ozzie Freedom. Ozzie Friggin Freedom. With a name like that he must be on the up-and-up.

Plus, Water4Gas has been tested on like 30 continents, or something, further proving its reliability. For only $97 you can get access to some online manuals that describe how you can spend a minimum of another $100 to modify your car to inject “hydrogen-on-demand” into your engine. Sounds like a winner to me. Mr. Freedom even has his own fan club that provides an unbiased and totally trustworthy review of the Water4Gas system.

Actually, of the three fuel saving systems included in this article, the Water4Gas type seems to have a very loyal following. Known alternatively as “waterhybrids” or “HHO systems,” some of them have been tested by seemingly reputable news organizations with actual positive results. However, based on the fact that advertisements on the Hydro4000 website make it look like the news station and Hydro4000 are in on some kind of scheme together, my trust in the news story is quite low. Plus, at $1,200 you’d have to have a major stash of money set aside for delusions of grandeur to actually buy one of these things.

My Take: The Water4Gas website is so bad that it must be a good product.

All joking aside, the sane part of my mind screams to me that these waterhybrid claims are so far gone that the products can’t be for real. Yet, as much as it pains me, I’ve got to say the jury’s still out on this one. Anybody have any personal experience they care to share? Any idea of how much energy is required to split water into its component parts and the ensuing energy balance (or imbalance) that would be present in a waterhybrid?

A recent post on Gas 2.0 details a system similar to waterhybrids that appears to have the backing of a university. That post generated some good cautionary comments regarding free energy, conservation of energy, and overall energy efficiency of a whole system such as an entire automobile. Any further thoughts on this topic?

Reality Check

Listen folks, if the claims make it seem like a product will do ridiculous things, then its probably a ridiculous product. Most experts say that fuel saving devices are largely scams and that, in lieu of expensive things like buying a more fuel efficient vehicle or completely changing your car’s aerodynamics, the only true way to increase your fuel mileage cheaply is the good old standby of changing your habits to up your car’s efficiency. In fact, in a post on Gas 2.0, Benjamin Jones points us to “100+ EcoDriving Tips to get Better Mileage in Your Car” and Edmunds.com has done its own field testing of many of these recommendations. Check them out and save your money.

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  • http://www.freesand.com/glass/ Matt

    It takes more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get back by burning the resulting gases. If this was not the case, we would have free energy.

    However, I can see that the water hybrid car system could possibly increase fuel efficiency because I believe the alternator on your car is constantly charging the car battery whether it is fully charged or not. Any time the alternator is charging when it doesn’t need to be is wasted energy. So if the battery has to work harder to split water into its component gases, you are just using some of that wasted energy.

    I’m not a mechanic so someone correct me if this isn’t how car alternators work.

  • http://www.freesand.com/glass/ Matt

    It takes more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get back by burning the resulting gases. If this was not the case, we would have free energy.

    However, I can see that the water hybrid car system could possibly increase fuel efficiency because I believe the alternator on your car is constantly charging the car battery whether it is fully charged or not. Any time the alternator is charging when it doesn’t need to be is wasted energy. So if the battery has to work harder to split water into its component gases, you are just using some of that wasted energy.

    I’m not a mechanic so someone correct me if this isn’t how car alternators work.

  • Roger Johnson

    Despite your ridicule, water4gas is working extremely well and saving lots and lots of money, for a LOT of people worldwide.

    Isn’t that a bit wierd for something that you ridicule?

  • Roger Johnson

    Despite your ridicule, water4gas is working extremely well and saving lots and lots of money, for a LOT of people worldwide.

    Isn’t that a bit wierd for something that you ridicule?

    • http://Web eric

      I actually bought that piece of royal “junk” and to this day Im embarrased to say that….is just a scam that people like sell Im sure.

  • Nick Chambers

    Roger,

    I did say that the jury was still out on the Water4Gas type systems. I was brought up to be skeptical in my considerations of things like this. In my research I’ve found that opinions on these types of systems are split. To me that is not conclusive proof they work.

    Nick Chambers

  • Tony

    It’s not how they work. When the battery isn’t charging it’s not drawing load, so the alternator is spinning more freely and robbing less power from the engine.

  • Tony

    It’s not how they work. When the battery isn’t charging it’s not drawing load, so the alternator is spinning more freely and robbing less power from the engine.

  • Jason

    I saw a special on TV about the water hybrid car in San Antonio, not too long ago. The news anchor was driving it around in an SUV, but it was installed by a professional mechanic.

    The mechanic said that it works, and a computer he hooked up to the system, actually helped calculate how much it saves in gas. On average it only added about 5 – 10 mpgs to the system.

    Also it’s not just water, they add a chemical to the water that makes it easier to break water down into Hydrogen and Oxygen for those who were wondering.

    I dunno though, while this technology is working, I would still be concerned about getting a phony kit. In the end it would probably be best to wait until the technology becomes mainstream.

  • Jason

    I saw a special on TV about the water hybrid car in San Antonio, not too long ago. The news anchor was driving it around in an SUV, but it was installed by a professional mechanic.

    The mechanic said that it works, and a computer he hooked up to the system, actually helped calculate how much it saves in gas. On average it only added about 5 – 10 mpgs to the system.

    Also it’s not just water, they add a chemical to the water that makes it easier to break water down into Hydrogen and Oxygen for those who were wondering.

    I dunno though, while this technology is working, I would still be concerned about getting a phony kit. In the end it would probably be best to wait until the technology becomes mainstream.

  • Dan

    Re: Matt

    (also my own $0.02)

    A car alternator does charge the battery, but as the battery reaches the full level, the load on the alternator drops off (If no load is placed on it it just sits there freewheeling, though it does run your Ignition system, instruments, etc. as well, The battery is purely to start the engine).

    Also the more load you put on an alternator the more drag it puts on your engine. Electrolysis of water is optimum at around 2 vols and roughly 70 amps. All that energy that is being used to produce the hydrogen is upwards of 100 fold of that which is returned By the resulting hydrogen. If anything a device like this one will reduce your mileage.

  • Dan

    Re: Matt

    (also my own $0.02)

    A car alternator does charge the battery, but as the battery reaches the full level, the load on the alternator drops off (If no load is placed on it it just sits there freewheeling, though it does run your Ignition system, instruments, etc. as well, The battery is purely to start the engine).

    Also the more load you put on an alternator the more drag it puts on your engine. Electrolysis of water is optimum at around 2 vols and roughly 70 amps. All that energy that is being used to produce the hydrogen is upwards of 100 fold of that which is returned By the resulting hydrogen. If anything a device like this one will reduce your mileage.

  • Mike

    Matt,

    Alternator drag is not constant. When the battery is low and/or high demand exists (for instance, a 1,000 watt boom box in full use), the demand on the alternator rises. Drag rises, the alternator can suck up to 40 horsepower to produce that much energy. But if the battery is fully charged, and electricity demand is low, the alternator produces almost no drag.

    So no, that wouldn’t change the equation in the car regarding splitting hydrogen. The only “free” way would be to use solar energy to do it, by a process similar to photosynthesis but using iron oxide.

  • Mike

    Matt,

    Alternator drag is not constant. When the battery is low and/or high demand exists (for instance, a 1,000 watt boom box in full use), the demand on the alternator rises. Drag rises, the alternator can suck up to 40 horsepower to produce that much energy. But if the battery is fully charged, and electricity demand is low, the alternator produces almost no drag.

    So no, that wouldn’t change the equation in the car regarding splitting hydrogen. The only “free” way would be to use solar energy to do it, by a process similar to photosynthesis but using iron oxide.

  • Ben

    While alternators *are* constantly charging the battery, the battery is never fully charged because it’s constantly running your spark plugs, radio, windsheild wipers and various other electrical gadgets in your car. Your gas engine wouldn’t run very long without the alternator charging the battery.

    So yeah, you’re right about how it works, wrong that it’s just sitting there while your battery is idle.

  • Ben

    While alternators *are* constantly charging the battery, the battery is never fully charged because it’s constantly running your spark plugs, radio, windsheild wipers and various other electrical gadgets in your car. Your gas engine wouldn’t run very long without the alternator charging the battery.

    So yeah, you’re right about how it works, wrong that it’s just sitting there while your battery is idle.

  • D

    I’ve looked at this in the past, but just today found someone I trust (and work with) took their Saturn from 25 to 32mpg by following water4gas design info.

    Matt’s statement is true, no free energy. But in context this really isn’t about free energy. It’s about a very small amount of browns gas that acts as a stimulant for the burn, a faster burn provides more pressure while the piston is closer to the top of the cylinder.

  • D

    I’ve looked at this in the past, but just today found someone I trust (and work with) took their Saturn from 25 to 32mpg by following water4gas design info.

    Matt’s statement is true, no free energy. But in context this really isn’t about free energy. It’s about a very small amount of browns gas that acts as a stimulant for the burn, a faster burn provides more pressure while the piston is closer to the top of the cylinder.

  • http://na joe

    What alot of people over look is the fact that a guy has done it.. stan myer and that a growing number of people are able to reproduce alot of it http://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=8752727d960c788730eecc12ec00b8f3

    its not that it produces gas its silly to just make some gas and inject it in.. they have gone farther to the point that they modulate (different versions ) different designs to be able to create the most gas on the least amount of power.. its impressive how far they have come. In the end most the designs I see for sale seem silly compared to the details and level they have gone.. heck do a search for water fuel or lawn more theres a new level of people out there cutting there lawns on water.. its awesome..

    have a vehicle that has a computer that tells you miles per then gets a handfull of harddrive magnets .. when you do it your self you realize there is nothing wrong with people making some

    money on something.. they do work..

  • http://realprohosting.com Mike

    Well, just to point out #2, the cyclone, or turbine, or whatever the heck brand air turbulence producer product does actually work…. to an extent.

    I installed a lightweight performance flywheel on my car that significantly increased my torque on my car, but also destroyed my gas mileage…. taking it from about 22mpg to 17mpg. I spent way too much money filling my tank for 3 tanks straight(thankfully it was when gas was still 2.50/gal here in sd, ca) so I was able to stabilize my fuel consumption over that time, with various street/highway/full highway driving. When I installed this device in my car, at the beginning of a new tank of fuel, I instantly changed my average gas mileage from 17mpg to 21mpg. I didn’t see any hp/torque gain which the product also advertised, but I did see a significant gain in mpg, so I have used it ever since. Also, I have chosen to remove it from the vehicle for 2 tanks previously to prove that it was the cyclone device making the difference, and it truly was.

    So, essentially, most of these are scams, but some do actually make an impact on your vehicles fuel mileage.

    PS: Now, with gas prices at $4.39 at the local gas station, I’m moving back to the stock flywheel… performance is too costly at this point. I’ll be giving updating mpg stats when that’s completed to see if it does anything for a stock vehicle.

    Cheers!

  • http://realprohosting.com Mike

    Well, just to point out #2, the cyclone, or turbine, or whatever the heck brand air turbulence producer product does actually work…. to an extent.

    I installed a lightweight performance flywheel on my car that significantly increased my torque on my car, but also destroyed my gas mileage…. taking it from about 22mpg to 17mpg. I spent way too much money filling my tank for 3 tanks straight(thankfully it was when gas was still 2.50/gal here in sd, ca) so I was able to stabilize my fuel consumption over that time, with various street/highway/full highway driving. When I installed this device in my car, at the beginning of a new tank of fuel, I instantly changed my average gas mileage from 17mpg to 21mpg. I didn’t see any hp/torque gain which the product also advertised, but I did see a significant gain in mpg, so I have used it ever since. Also, I have chosen to remove it from the vehicle for 2 tanks previously to prove that it was the cyclone device making the difference, and it truly was.

    So, essentially, most of these are scams, but some do actually make an impact on your vehicles fuel mileage.

    PS: Now, with gas prices at $4.39 at the local gas station, I’m moving back to the stock flywheel… performance is too costly at this point. I’ll be giving updating mpg stats when that’s completed to see if it does anything for a stock vehicle.

    Cheers!

  • Chuck

    I’m building an HHO system with a roommate (who is a mechanic) right now, and the hydrogen electrolizer (the goofy left half of Ozzie’s picture) does indeed produce a lot of hydrogen. And yes, if your alternator powers the device, it uses already-produced energy to do the heavy work. It makes for a 10-30% increase (conservatively) on fuel economy, but Ozzie’s two-bell-jar design is to a functional HHO system as a wooden club is to a Beretta 9mm. Make no mistake: If you try one of these out, it’ll give you some boost to fuel economy, but you have to be part scientist, part tinkerer, part mechanic, and willing to risk destroying a car (figuratively AND literally.)

    The fallacy isn’t the idea of using water as gas — it’s that you can use ONLY water. The hydrogen is injected in much the same way as an NO2 system, and burns just as efficiently as gas (gas being, for all intents and purposes, a mixture of “hydrogen” and “other”). It burns WITH the gas, not INSTEAD of — and if you can get a 50% fuel economy boost, you’re either A) lucky or B) a voodoo priest.

  • Chuck

    I’m building an HHO system with a roommate (who is a mechanic) right now, and the hydrogen electrolizer (the goofy left half of Ozzie’s picture) does indeed produce a lot of hydrogen. And yes, if your alternator powers the device, it uses already-produced energy to do the heavy work. It makes for a 10-30% increase (conservatively) on fuel economy, but Ozzie’s two-bell-jar design is to a functional HHO system as a wooden club is to a Beretta 9mm. Make no mistake: If you try one of these out, it’ll give you some boost to fuel economy, but you have to be part scientist, part tinkerer, part mechanic, and willing to risk destroying a car (figuratively AND literally.)

    The fallacy isn’t the idea of using water as gas — it’s that you can use ONLY water. The hydrogen is injected in much the same way as an NO2 system, and burns just as efficiently as gas (gas being, for all intents and purposes, a mixture of “hydrogen” and “other”). It burns WITH the gas, not INSTEAD of — and if you can get a 50% fuel economy boost, you’re either A) lucky or B) a voodoo priest.

  • Nick Chambers

    Chuck,

    I’d lean towards the Voodoo Priest end of things. I’ve heard they do good work.

    Nick

  • Bret McDanel

    I have installed a helical spacer between my throttle body and my air intake and it did noticably improve performance, and thus rpm (since I was driving the same way, same speeds and at a lower rpm).

    This is the concept of the cyclone device that you hinted doesnt work. So I dont know if that particular product works, but do know that my engine did work better with a similar device.

  • Bret McDanel

    I have installed a helical spacer between my throttle body and my air intake and it did noticably improve performance, and thus rpm (since I was driving the same way, same speeds and at a lower rpm).

    This is the concept of the cyclone device that you hinted doesnt work. So I dont know if that particular product works, but do know that my engine did work better with a similar device.

  • http://www.painful-back.com neednewbed.com

    Alternators only charge as needed, some power is constantly used, ignition, injection computer etc, so the alternator always works a little to power that. thats all, no wasted energy going, if you add more stuff for it to do, it works harder and thus wastes fuel.

    In over 20 years driving, it comes down to simple things: a good service, air filter, correct tire pressures, a light foot, and smooth driving, using brakes as little as possible, gadgets just waste money, if they worked car makers would love to fit them, but they dont

  • http://www.painful-back.com neednewbed.com

    Alternators only charge as needed, some power is constantly used, ignition, injection computer etc, so the alternator always works a little to power that. thats all, no wasted energy going, if you add more stuff for it to do, it works harder and thus wastes fuel.

    In over 20 years driving, it comes down to simple things: a good service, air filter, correct tire pressures, a light foot, and smooth driving, using brakes as little as possible, gadgets just waste money, if they worked car makers would love to fit them, but they dont

  • Greg

    I just saw a news story about fuel saving devices that included the cyclone. They installed 3 of them on 3 different AAA fleet vehicles. All 3 had the same drivers and routes as before. After 3 months of testing, they found no significant improvements in gas mileage. It’s a nice concept but reality bites.

  • Greg

    I just saw a news story about fuel saving devices that included the cyclone. They installed 3 of them on 3 different AAA fleet vehicles. All 3 had the same drivers and routes as before. After 3 months of testing, they found no significant improvements in gas mileage. It’s a nice concept but reality bites.

  • hydrogen

    #3 works.. some Toyota Dealers have been testing it.

  • hydrogen

    #3 works.. some Toyota Dealers have been testing it.

  • Gabe

    Regarding the alternator – it depends on the car. Most cars’ alternators run constantly because they’re directly attached to the accessory/serpentine belt. Some newer cars have clutched alternators, where the computer engages the clutch when electricity is needed. This reduces the power draw of the alternator over time and improves fuel economy.

  • Gabe

    Regarding the alternator – it depends on the car. Most cars’ alternators run constantly because they’re directly attached to the accessory/serpentine belt. Some newer cars have clutched alternators, where the computer engages the clutch when electricity is needed. This reduces the power draw of the alternator over time and improves fuel economy.

  • http://youtube.com/user/mepshistofeles420 George

    water4gas works, the HHO on demand systems work. you WILL get an increase in mileage, and a smoother running vehicle.

  • http://youtube.com/user/mepshistofeles420 George

    water4gas works, the HHO on demand systems work. you WILL get an increase in mileage, and a smoother running vehicle.

  • http://Digg.com Teddy

    Water4Gas is the real deal. It is not a fraud.

    The Science behind it is simple.

    1. take a jar filled with water, some coil, and baking soda.

    2. A small electrical current (DC, not AC) is required to separate the H and O elements. This is a simple process called electrolysis, and requires little energy to do it.

    3. The Hydrogen, small amounts, is injected into the engine (somewhere) via a tube.

    This improves the engines efficiency and makes it cleaner burning with cleaner exhaust.

    Some report doubling their mileage. It really all depends on how well you teak your mod.

    Cheers.

  • http://Digg.com Teddy

    Water4Gas is the real deal. It is not a fraud.

    The Science behind it is simple.

    1. take a jar filled with water, some coil, and baking soda.

    2. A small electrical current (DC, not AC) is required to separate the H and O elements. This is a simple process called electrolysis, and requires little energy to do it.

    3. The Hydrogen, small amounts, is injected into the engine (somewhere) via a tube.

    This improves the engines efficiency and makes it cleaner burning with cleaner exhaust.

    Some report doubling their mileage. It really all depends on how well you teak your mod.

    Cheers.

  • http://abundancetips.com LM

    I was driving North to Portland today on I-5 somewhere before Eugene Oregon I noticed a huge billboard with the following web address: http://www.WildMPG.com guarenteed 50% increase to your cars gas mileage or your money back. I check it out and they are offering some PICC technology that can achieve 100mpg+ but is not available yet but until its ready for your car they will sell you this hydro assist product that guarantees a 50% + increase in your gas mileage or your money back. The hydro assist seems to be some kind of water splitter that injects oxygen and hydrogen into the intake similar to the products mentioned in the above article.

    Could you guys please check these site out and see what you think and write about it as a scam or not.

    Thanks,

    LM

  • http://abundancetips.com LM

    I was driving North to Portland today on I-5 somewhere before Eugene Oregon I noticed a huge billboard with the following web address: http://www.WildMPG.com guarenteed 50% increase to your cars gas mileage or your money back. I check it out and they are offering some PICC technology that can achieve 100mpg+ but is not available yet but until its ready for your car they will sell you this hydro assist product that guarantees a 50% + increase in your gas mileage or your money back. The hydro assist seems to be some kind of water splitter that injects oxygen and hydrogen into the intake similar to the products mentioned in the above article.

    Could you guys please check these site out and see what you think and write about it as a scam or not.

    Thanks,

    LM

  • Bryan

    I think most people are missing the point of the Water4Gas system, its actually quite a reasonable idea. The idea is that hydrolysis converts the water from H2O to H2 and O2, one of which is combustible and the other required for combustion. These are injected through the air intake, which allows more combustible gases into the compression chamber for firing. Because the ratio of combustible gases is greater, more FUEL will be combusted per compression. Because its the FUEL doing the work, its not a case of “free energy”, just more fuel being burnt and less passed on to the catalytic converter to deal with. Essentially it works in principal like a turbo charger in this regard. They also explain things well enough on the website for people to just go out and build one at home themselves for around $200 or less :).

  • Bryan

    I think most people are missing the point of the Water4Gas system, its actually quite a reasonable idea. The idea is that hydrolysis converts the water from H2O to H2 and O2, one of which is combustible and the other required for combustion. These are injected through the air intake, which allows more combustible gases into the compression chamber for firing. Because the ratio of combustible gases is greater, more FUEL will be combusted per compression. Because its the FUEL doing the work, its not a case of “free energy”, just more fuel being burnt and less passed on to the catalytic converter to deal with. Essentially it works in principal like a turbo charger in this regard. They also explain things well enough on the website for people to just go out and build one at home themselves for around $200 or less :).

  • Ookii Mamoru

    Is not so much free energy, but super sizing your fast food meal?

    I know stupid analogy. Just what do I get in return for that extra .75 cents.

    Sort of like super heated high pressure at a nuke reactor allowing for a 50% more efficient hydrogen production. Not a free meal, but definitely a super sized one.

  • Ookii Mamoru

    Is not so much free energy, but super sizing your fast food meal?

    I know stupid analogy. Just what do I get in return for that extra .75 cents.

    Sort of like super heated high pressure at a nuke reactor allowing for a 50% more efficient hydrogen production. Not a free meal, but definitely a super sized one.

  • Ozzie Scammer

    The technology itself is viable to boost MPG if it is done well. The glass jar with baking soda is a poor mans version of that technology, albeit a bit crude and a bit dangerous due to the materials chosen for underhood use.

    The technology works by improving the combustion efficiency of the fuel being burned in the engine.

    The primary issue that people should be concerned with here is that “Ozzie Freedom” is selling this information for a lot of money, information that is available for FREE online. Many researchers have invested years of research, and have published the information online for free. Some marketeer comes along, and through aggressive marketing, turns selling this free information into big business. Of course, the researchers that performed all of the research get nothing.

    The public is being fleeced by a marketeer for otherwise FREE information.

  • Ozzie Scammer

    The technology itself is viable to boost MPG if it is done well. The glass jar with baking soda is a poor mans version of that technology, albeit a bit crude and a bit dangerous due to the materials chosen for underhood use.

    The technology works by improving the combustion efficiency of the fuel being burned in the engine.

    The primary issue that people should be concerned with here is that “Ozzie Freedom” is selling this information for a lot of money, information that is available for FREE online. Many researchers have invested years of research, and have published the information online for free. Some marketeer comes along, and through aggressive marketing, turns selling this free information into big business. Of course, the researchers that performed all of the research get nothing.

    The public is being fleeced by a marketeer for otherwise FREE information.

  • peter

    None of these “fuel saving” devices have ever proved viable under strictly controlled conditions by reputable researchers. It may well be that the magic just doesn’t feel like working when subjected to the harsh realism of a physics lab administered by humorless skeptics.

    The basic laws of thermodynamics do not allow for this system to work on basis of having the products of electrolysis (hydrogen & oxygen) adding to the energy of combustion.

    There remains the idea that the addition of very small amounts of hydrogen and oxygen to the combustion reaction somehow improves combustion efficiency. If this is so, then a small bottle of compressed hydrogen and another of oxygen would be the way to obtain sufficient quantities of gas to test and optimize this “effect” relatively quickly.

    I look forward to reading about this research in peer reviewed physic/chemistry/engineering journals.

  • peter

    None of these “fuel saving” devices have ever proved viable under strictly controlled conditions by reputable researchers. It may well be that the magic just doesn’t feel like working when subjected to the harsh realism of a physics lab administered by humorless skeptics.

    The basic laws of thermodynamics do not allow for this system to work on basis of having the products of electrolysis (hydrogen & oxygen) adding to the energy of combustion.

    There remains the idea that the addition of very small amounts of hydrogen and oxygen to the combustion reaction somehow improves combustion efficiency. If this is so, then a small bottle of compressed hydrogen and another of oxygen would be the way to obtain sufficient quantities of gas to test and optimize this “effect” relatively quickly.

    I look forward to reading about this research in peer reviewed physic/chemistry/engineering journals.

  • syukton

    I have a device similar to the Cyclone, called the Tornado Fuel Saver. When I first bought it, I was driving a GMC S-15 pickup with a 2.8L engine. I saw my mileage go from 260 to 290 per average tank, an increase from 14.4 MPG to 16.1 MPG. Say what you will about devices like that, but I’ve seen it work myself and I’m happy with it. My current truck is a Dodge Dakota with a 5.2L engine, and with the Tornado I’ve gone from 10 MPG to 12 MPG. I’ve been using it for several years now, and I’m not going to go back. My dad also got one and he saw the same improvements–he also has a Dakota; slightly newer, but same engine and same economy improvement.

  • syukton

    I have a device similar to the Cyclone, called the Tornado Fuel Saver. When I first bought it, I was driving a GMC S-15 pickup with a 2.8L engine. I saw my mileage go from 260 to 290 per average tank, an increase from 14.4 MPG to 16.1 MPG. Say what you will about devices like that, but I’ve seen it work myself and I’m happy with it. My current truck is a Dodge Dakota with a 5.2L engine, and with the Tornado I’ve gone from 10 MPG to 12 MPG. I’ve been using it for several years now, and I’m not going to go back. My dad also got one and he saw the same improvements–he also has a Dakota; slightly newer, but same engine and same economy improvement.

  • stinker

    So ya with all the tweaking and modifications to the car to install this water4gas thing what you are really doing is running your car leaner and modifying your timing to improve your mileage. Also the MAP device looks like it simply tells your car’s o2 sensor if its running rich or light and changes it so it uses more gas (not hard to make at home for older cars)

    Also notice that not one of these cars is being tested on a dyno or in a lab. I dunno if anyone is in the Emmision testing industry but even on set dyno courses where everything is the same depending on the driver your fuel consumption can move more then 5mpg (on courses less then 15 minutes, imagine a longer course at both polar sides of the mpg margin of error). And that is a preprogrammed course with no variables other then driver reaction.

    P.S. check out the EPA website for “Motor Vehicle After market Retrofit Device Evaluation Program” or just retrofit devices. Only 3 items make it to the “significant improvement” category. 1 is a spoiler, 1 reduces emissions while not ruing gas mileage and the other is a coolant/heat circulation system. If you wanna see if this works report it, if it passes the get a free EPA evaluation, that is if they have the research to back their original claims up.

  • stinker

    So ya with all the tweaking and modifications to the car to install this water4gas thing what you are really doing is running your car leaner and modifying your timing to improve your mileage. Also the MAP device looks like it simply tells your car’s o2 sensor if its running rich or light and changes it so it uses more gas (not hard to make at home for older cars)

    Also notice that not one of these cars is being tested on a dyno or in a lab. I dunno if anyone is in the Emmision testing industry but even on set dyno courses where everything is the same depending on the driver your fuel consumption can move more then 5mpg (on courses less then 15 minutes, imagine a longer course at both polar sides of the mpg margin of error). And that is a preprogrammed course with no variables other then driver reaction.

    P.S. check out the EPA website for “Motor Vehicle After market Retrofit Device Evaluation Program” or just retrofit devices. Only 3 items make it to the “significant improvement” category. 1 is a spoiler, 1 reduces emissions while not ruing gas mileage and the other is a coolant/heat circulation system. If you wanna see if this works report it, if it passes the get a free EPA evaluation, that is if they have the research to back their original claims up.

  • stinker

    sorry about the crappy typing in the above section, i just so happened to be testing a car at the time :-P

  • stinker

    sorry about the crappy typing in the above section, i just so happened to be testing a car at the time :-P

  • http://www.energy-group.com Dr George – CEO

    Dear Nick:

    Somehow the papers always publish whats been around for years and doesnt work, how about something that does work and has NEVER failed to produce results “when done by its instructions”. Pls check out our device at: http://www.energy-group.com/evidence.htm and review the comments by the client, etc, etc.

    Thanks, Dr George – CEO

  • http://www.energy-group.com Dr George – CEO

    Dear Nick:

    Somehow the papers always publish whats been around for years and doesnt work, how about something that does work and has NEVER failed to produce results “when done by its instructions”. Pls check out our device at: http://www.energy-group.com/evidence.htm and review the comments by the client, etc, etc.

    Thanks, Dr George – CEO

  • Chuck

    I think water4gas is genuine. I’m going to make one myself soon. Infact, I got a comparison between water4gas and run your car on water from this website http://www.water4gas-scam.com and water4gas seems like the better one although it’s a wee bit more expensive. Look at this link and especially the comments at the end by this guy called Patrick http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jibbguy_080415_brown_s_gas__28_22hho_22_29_.htm

    Then I did a google search for magnecules and magnegas and found this link http://www.magnegas.com/technology.html If you read details there you will understand that water4gas is no scam. These engines even produce oxygen while driving, and if water4gas is scam so is the Nobel nominated Dr. Santilli, all his patents and whatnot! But I’ll tell you for sure when I build one within the next 4-6 weeks!

  • Chuck

    I think water4gas is genuine. I’m going to make one myself soon. Infact, I got a comparison between water4gas and run your car on water from this website http://www.water4gas-scam.com and water4gas seems like the better one although it’s a wee bit more expensive. Look at this link and especially the comments at the end by this guy called Patrick http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jibbguy_080415_brown_s_gas__28_22hho_22_29_.htm

    Then I did a google search for magnecules and magnegas and found this link http://www.magnegas.com/technology.html If you read details there you will understand that water4gas is no scam. These engines even produce oxygen while driving, and if water4gas is scam so is the Nobel nominated Dr. Santilli, all his patents and whatnot! But I’ll tell you for sure when I build one within the next 4-6 weeks!

  • Paul Anthony

    Recently I converted my 04 Cadillac to utilize water as fuel from the information I purchased from the water4gas website but the link I obtained from was called Water4fuel.info

    Anyway, it’s been working great by me so far, and I’ve had it running for 4 months now.

  • Paul Anthony

    Recently I converted my 04 Cadillac to utilize water as fuel from the information I purchased from the water4gas website but the link I obtained from was called Water4fuel.info

    Anyway, it’s been working great by me so far, and I’ve had it running for 4 months now.

  • Meshe

    Me…I’ll trust the Mythbusters when they tested devices like this and their verdict on them. BUSTED!

  • Meshe

    Me…I’ll trust the Mythbusters when they tested devices like this and their verdict on them. BUSTED!

  • Vic

    I have been reading extensively on almost every arguments from both sides.

    If I may, We are talking about using the hydrogen or brown gas to improve the efficiency of ICE from about 20%.

    Those who are against, please come out with something better than the obvious i.e. the law of conservation of energy, in this case the electrolysis of water which is irrelevant.

  • Vic

    I have been reading extensively on almost every arguments from both sides.

    If I may, We are talking about using the hydrogen or brown gas to improve the efficiency of ICE from about 20%.

    Those who are against, please come out with something better than the obvious i.e. the law of conservation of energy, in this case the electrolysis of water which is irrelevant.

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  • http://autosanity.com Dan

    You’re pretty much spot-on with your hilarious reviews of these “products.” I do have some more info on the run your car on water system in a short article I wrote; http://ezinearticles.com/?Run-Your-Car-On-Water—Fact-Or-Fiction?&id=1206320.

    Short story – there ain’t no free lunch.

    Dan

  • http://autosanity.com Dan

    You’re pretty much spot-on with your hilarious reviews of these “products.” I do have some more info on the run your car on water system in a short article I wrote; http://ezinearticles.com/?Run-Your-Car-On-Water—Fact-Or-Fiction?&id=1206320.

    Short story – there ain’t no free lunch.

    Dan

  • http://www.waterpetrolcar.com Save Gas

    Water 4 gas really does work.

  • http://www.waterpetrolcar.com Save Gas

    Water 4 gas really does work.

  • Andrei Panait

    Water4gas, the website is a scam because it wants money for information that has been around for a very long time. Electrolysis isn’t new, but the system is relevant.

    It isn’t free energy it just improves efficiency and it works better on older cars simply because they are more inefficient at burning the gas.

    The brute force method of producing the gas (12v high amperage) is definitely not the best way to do it but it’s the simplest way. The more money you invest in the system, the more money you’ll save on gas.

  • Andrei Panait

    Water4gas, the website is a scam because it wants money for information that has been around for a very long time. Electrolysis isn’t new, but the system is relevant.

    It isn’t free energy it just improves efficiency and it works better on older cars simply because they are more inefficient at burning the gas.

    The brute force method of producing the gas (12v high amperage) is definitely not the best way to do it but it’s the simplest way. The more money you invest in the system, the more money you’ll save on gas.

  • tsfelt

    Working with chemical engineers as I do, I have asked a few for opinions, and all of the opinions have been positive regarding the theory. But even I know that theory usually works great on paper, but not always in real life.

    I’m willing to try it on some of my older vehicles, but I have reservations about several issues (these are questions also…..feel free to suggest any solution!):

    #1. I’m not crazy about installing a quart glass canning jar under my hood. Can a metal canister be used without affecting the operation? Preferably steel, but aluminum is an option.

    #2. Map Sensor. 3 of the 4 vehicles I’m interested in doing this to have MAP sensors, and I’m wondering if the sensor can be damaged/ruined, or if it needs to be ‘fooled’ to read correctly for the computer.

    Any ideas?

  • tsfelt

    Working with chemical engineers as I do, I have asked a few for opinions, and all of the opinions have been positive regarding the theory. But even I know that theory usually works great on paper, but not always in real life.

    I’m willing to try it on some of my older vehicles, but I have reservations about several issues (these are questions also…..feel free to suggest any solution!):

    #1. I’m not crazy about installing a quart glass canning jar under my hood. Can a metal canister be used without affecting the operation? Preferably steel, but aluminum is an option.

    #2. Map Sensor. 3 of the 4 vehicles I’m interested in doing this to have MAP sensors, and I’m wondering if the sensor can be damaged/ruined, or if it needs to be ‘fooled’ to read correctly for the computer.

    Any ideas?

  • http://thebenjamins101.blogspot.com Arnold Phaisano

    Hi!

    The only way to prove if Water4gas is a sham, is to have Nick install one of these kits. Since he would be and unbiased source, then the report will have some credibility.

    Water4gas is also offering the plans to build the kit yourself in their website; but they do not give you the whole thing. They are only trying to make a buck by selling you a already assembled kit. But they go as far as giving you a list of places where you can get the necessary materials. One more thing, if you do a search on Youtube for “hydrogen generators”, there will be a lot of videos. Do you think all those people are just fools who have nothing better to do!

    Thank you!

  • http://thebenjamins101.blogspot.com Arnold Phaisano

    Hi!

    The only way to prove if Water4gas is a sham, is to have Nick install one of these kits. Since he would be and unbiased source, then the report will have some credibility.

    Water4gas is also offering the plans to build the kit yourself in their website; but they do not give you the whole thing. They are only trying to make a buck by selling you a already assembled kit. But they go as far as giving you a list of places where you can get the necessary materials. One more thing, if you do a search on Youtube for “hydrogen generators”, there will be a lot of videos. Do you think all those people are just fools who have nothing better to do!

    Thank you!

  • RLPenrod

    My hydrolyser seems to work just fine. I designed it myself to withstand high temps (built from Lexan), hooked it to my 2001 DR650 Suzuki and did get improved mileage… What else can I say or need to say, I am not a scammer or a engineer or a chemestry major (hell I can’t even spell it) but it isn’t rocket science or brain surgury after all it is simply putting electricity in water and supplying it to the fuel feed on the engine. I do not like the products that use a catalyst so I designed my system to run on straight tap water which has plenty of crap in it that conducts. Then I filter it through what they call a bubbler and use stainless steel wadding as a flash suppresant. It works so well that I took one of those toy hydrogen rockets from the store, adapted it to accept my feed from my system and it is ready to launch in seconds. Sure we have a long way to go to making this a viable alternative to gasoline but gasoline didn’t just fall from the sky, they had to develop that also. I say if we didn’t waste money on nuclear dumps and war for more expensive oil which fuels very few people’s pocketbooks then this research would be a lot futher along. And whoever said something about NASA banning it’s use or whatever they said, ask yourself why in the hell they launch the space shuttle with it. All the people here saying all this bad stuff about alternatives are likley paid by the oil companies or flat out have a vested interest in the status quo… These are the things that don’t work.

  • RLPenrod

    My hydrolyser seems to work just fine. I designed it myself to withstand high temps (built from Lexan), hooked it to my 2001 DR650 Suzuki and did get improved mileage… What else can I say or need to say, I am not a scammer or a engineer or a chemestry major (hell I can’t even spell it) but it isn’t rocket science or brain surgury after all it is simply putting electricity in water and supplying it to the fuel feed on the engine. I do not like the products that use a catalyst so I designed my system to run on straight tap water which has plenty of crap in it that conducts. Then I filter it through what they call a bubbler and use stainless steel wadding as a flash suppresant. It works so well that I took one of those toy hydrogen rockets from the store, adapted it to accept my feed from my system and it is ready to launch in seconds. Sure we have a long way to go to making this a viable alternative to gasoline but gasoline didn’t just fall from the sky, they had to develop that also. I say if we didn’t waste money on nuclear dumps and war for more expensive oil which fuels very few people’s pocketbooks then this research would be a lot futher along. And whoever said something about NASA banning it’s use or whatever they said, ask yourself why in the hell they launch the space shuttle with it. All the people here saying all this bad stuff about alternatives are likley paid by the oil companies or flat out have a vested interest in the status quo… These are the things that don’t work.

  • Gary

    Re: Water2Gas

    This is a scan. All engineers know this. There is no method in the world that can create additional “extra” free energy. In plain speak; converting hydrogen from water can be done by a grade 4 student. But it takes power to convert energy and the amount of “converted” energy will always be less than the amount of power required to create it. Get a grip people, this is not real, this is a total scam. Why do you think formal scientific studies have not been performed or released? Good grief, what a bunch of stupids you are.

  • Gary

    Re: Water2Gas

    This is a scan. All engineers know this. There is no method in the world that can create additional “extra” free energy. In plain speak; converting hydrogen from water can be done by a grade 4 student. But it takes power to convert energy and the amount of “converted” energy will always be less than the amount of power required to create it. Get a grip people, this is not real, this is a total scam. Why do you think formal scientific studies have not been performed or released? Good grief, what a bunch of stupids you are.

  • Robert Ricard

    i’ve built my own version of a water4gaz hho generator which i installed in my van a kia sedona 2004. i had to fiddle around with the oxygen sensors to get this working right, but i did get and maintained a 15% improvement in fuel economy. it was no miracle, a lot of work, fuel injection computers dont like hydrogen.

  • Robert Ricard

    i’ve built my own version of a water4gaz hho generator which i installed in my van a kia sedona 2004. i had to fiddle around with the oxygen sensors to get this working right, but i did get and maintained a 15% improvement in fuel economy. it was no miracle, a lot of work, fuel injection computers dont like hydrogen.

  • http://aardvark.co.nz Bruce Simpson

    Thank goodness someone else is speaking out about these lame fuel-saving scams.

    I wrote a piece on the silly-science behind these HHO scams and have had scores of replies from people who say “it works, I use it and save 20%-40% on my gas bill every week. Just visit my website at http:….”

    And guess what?

    Every one of those people is sending me to a website that either redirects to water4gas or has pay-per-click links to other scam sites. Yeah, they’re referring me because they want to gain the commissions or PPC revenues that these scams generate for them.

    So there’s no way you can trust the testimonials of these people — they’re part of the scam.

    If you want to see some simple math that debunks these schemes, then read all three pages of my article.

    Interestingly enough, I have challenged everyone with one of these HHO systems to try out the simple experiment on this page: http://aardvark.co.nz/hho_scam2.shtml and report back with their results.

    Not one of those who claim to be having so much success have done so.

    What does that tell you?

    But the media are in on this too — they’re on the lookout for fuel=related news items that will draw viewers eyes to the screen and there’s been a raft of really awful pieces in which nothing the scammers say is challenged in any way. In fact, some of these news pieces have been very cleverly edited to make it appear as if the science is endorsed by real scientists at well-known universities.

    A good example of this was an Australian piece where they told how a couple of guys had improved their fuel economy by 20% through fitting one of these devices. They then went to a university and asked a professor “is hydrogen the fuel of the future” and he said yes.

    The instant implication was that this system is therefore endorsed by real scientists.

    Unbelievable.

    Anyway, check out my article and feel free to contribute to the discussion in the related forum.

    Also, please go to YouTube and search for “run your car on water”. Sort the results by “Date Added” and where you see all those multiple spam videos, flag them as spam so they get pulled and the posters get shut down.

    Please help protect innocent dupes from these predators.

    My article is at: http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

  • http://aardvark.co.nz Bruce Simpson

    Thank goodness someone else is speaking out about these lame fuel-saving scams.

    I wrote a piece on the silly-science behind these HHO scams and have had scores of replies from people who say “it works, I use it and save 20%-40% on my gas bill every week. Just visit my website at http:….”

    And guess what?

    Every one of those people is sending me to a website that either redirects to water4gas or has pay-per-click links to other scam sites. Yeah, they’re referring me because they want to gain the commissions or PPC revenues that these scams generate for them.

    So there’s no way you can trust the testimonials of these people — they’re part of the scam.

    If you want to see some simple math that debunks these schemes, then read all three pages of my article.

    Interestingly enough, I have challenged everyone with one of these HHO systems to try out the simple experiment on this page: http://aardvark.co.nz/hho_scam2.shtml and report back with their results.

    Not one of those who claim to be having so much success have done so.

    What does that tell you?

    But the media are in on this too — they’re on the lookout for fuel=related news items that will draw viewers eyes to the screen and there’s been a raft of really awful pieces in which nothing the scammers say is challenged in any way. In fact, some of these news pieces have been very cleverly edited to make it appear as if the science is endorsed by real scientists at well-known universities.

    A good example of this was an Australian piece where they told how a couple of guys had improved their fuel economy by 20% through fitting one of these devices. They then went to a university and asked a professor “is hydrogen the fuel of the future” and he said yes.

    The instant implication was that this system is therefore endorsed by real scientists.

    Unbelievable.

    Anyway, check out my article and feel free to contribute to the discussion in the related forum.

    Also, please go to YouTube and search for “run your car on water”. Sort the results by “Date Added” and where you see all those multiple spam videos, flag them as spam so they get pulled and the posters get shut down.

    Please help protect innocent dupes from these predators.

    My article is at: http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

  • Kris Basham

    I took a 48 oz glass jar, 2 4-in. razor blades, 2 shirt buttons, some speaker wire and a toggle switch. A piece of 3/8 hose to connect to the air filter and gained 7 miles per gallon. I had all of these items at home and figured, hey, it didn’t cost me anything to try. So I did. I encourage you to also. Don’t knock it until you try it. By the way, it was used on a 2000 Pontiac Bonneville.

    P.S. When you put in the roughly 30 oz of water, make sure its tap water, not distilled.

    kbasham4@gmail.com

  • Kris Basham

    I took a 48 oz glass jar, 2 4-in. razor blades, 2 shirt buttons, some speaker wire and a toggle switch. A piece of 3/8 hose to connect to the air filter and gained 7 miles per gallon. I had all of these items at home and figured, hey, it didn’t cost me anything to try. So I did. I encourage you to also. Don’t knock it until you try it. By the way, it was used on a 2000 Pontiac Bonneville.

    P.S. When you put in the roughly 30 oz of water, make sure its tap water, not distilled.

    kbasham4@gmail.com

  • Kris Basham

    I took a 48 oz glass jar, 2 4-in. razor blades, 2 shirt buttons, some speaker wire and a toggle switch. A piece of 3/8 hose to connect to the air filter and gained 7 miles per gallon. I had all of these items at home and figured, hey, it didn’t cost me anything to try. So I did. I encourage you to also. Don’t knock it until you try it. By the way, it was used on a 2000 Pontiac Bonneville.

    P.S. When you put in the roughly 30 oz of water, make sure its tap water, not distilled.

    kbasham4@gmail.com

  • http://www.1mobilerepair.com Pedro Talavera

    Magnets work. The EPA has some kind of conspiracy going on. To test a product the EPA charges a lot of money, so if a company knows its product doesn’t work it doesn’t make sense to have it tested and riducule by a government agency.The EPA hasn’t tested all the products out there so it is generalizing about all the rest not working.The EPA published the wrong MPG results before, somehow now they are more acurate. That wasn’t helping people figure if a product was working properly. That is why I suggest you use the miles per tank aproach first. Of course you car has to be tuned properly and running well.

    For more info go to http://www.1mobilerepair.com

  • http://www.1mobilerepair.com Pedro Talavera

    Magnets work. The EPA has some kind of conspiracy going on. To test a product the EPA charges a lot of money, so if a company knows its product doesn’t work it doesn’t make sense to have it tested and riducule by a government agency.The EPA hasn’t tested all the products out there so it is generalizing about all the rest not working.The EPA published the wrong MPG results before, somehow now they are more acurate. That wasn’t helping people figure if a product was working properly. That is why I suggest you use the miles per tank aproach first. Of course you car has to be tuned properly and running well.

    For more info go to http://www.1mobilerepair.com

  • http://www.afreshpath.com Alhefner

    Enough already! Anecdotal evidence often indicates that the current applied science is incorrect. As for the water4gas or other HHO devices and the “science” that “proves” that you can’t achieve the expected results…total crap!

    If the physics that many commenter post were “spot on”, we wouldn’t be using gasoline at all! According to their way of thinking, it just makes no sense to use energy to produce a fuel…PERIOD! Refining crude oil to produce gasoline takes an enormous amount of energy. The fuel produced though has a HIGHER energy potential than the energy used to produce it. That is why the production of gasoline makes sense.

    The actual increase in power and energy needed to produce HHO from water is NOT greater than the POTENTIAL increase in power that the HHO can deliver when used in CONJUNCTION with gasoline. Yes it takes energy in the form of DC power from the alternator and YES that does cause your engine to work harder to turn the alternator BUT if the difference is more than compensated by the increase in power produced by the passive injection of HHO, then there is no reason for it not to work.

    As for the power potential of Hydrogen, hundreds of times greater by volume than gasoline! Otherwise the shuttle would be launched using a gasoline/oxygen mix.

    Another word, current engines are terrible at extracting energy from gasoline. The combustion mix used today is designed to keep engine (combustion) temperatures LOW! This is more of a manufacturing cost concern than anything else. Using any current engine, if you modify the fuel/air mix for greater power and efficiency, you will also burn holes in your pistons or burn up your spark plugs. Yes greater fuel efficiency is highly possible without using HHO but you will need a high tech engine with greater heat tolerance.

    In the mean time, keep experimenting! It is those who keep trying when the “science” say “it can’t be done” who end up changing the world.

  • http://www.afreshpath.com Alhefner

    Enough already! Anecdotal evidence often indicates that the current applied science is incorrect. As for the water4gas or other HHO devices and the “science” that “proves” that you can’t achieve the expected results…total crap!

    If the physics that many commenter post were “spot on”, we wouldn’t be using gasoline at all! According to their way of thinking, it just makes no sense to use energy to produce a fuel…PERIOD! Refining crude oil to produce gasoline takes an enormous amount of energy. The fuel produced though has a HIGHER energy potential than the energy used to produce it. That is why the production of gasoline makes sense.

    The actual increase in power and energy needed to produce HHO from water is NOT greater than the POTENTIAL increase in power that the HHO can deliver when used in CONJUNCTION with gasoline. Yes it takes energy in the form of DC power from the alternator and YES that does cause your engine to work harder to turn the alternator BUT if the difference is more than compensated by the increase in power produced by the passive injection of HHO, then there is no reason for it not to work.

    As for the power potential of Hydrogen, hundreds of times greater by volume than gasoline! Otherwise the shuttle would be launched using a gasoline/oxygen mix.

    Another word, current engines are terrible at extracting energy from gasoline. The combustion mix used today is designed to keep engine (combustion) temperatures LOW! This is more of a manufacturing cost concern than anything else. Using any current engine, if you modify the fuel/air mix for greater power and efficiency, you will also burn holes in your pistons or burn up your spark plugs. Yes greater fuel efficiency is highly possible without using HHO but you will need a high tech engine with greater heat tolerance.

    In the mean time, keep experimenting! It is those who keep trying when the “science” say “it can’t be done” who end up changing the world.

  • http://www.afreshpath.com Alhefner

    Enough already! Anecdotal evidence often indicates that the current applied science is incorrect. As for the water4gas or other HHO devices and the “science” that “proves” that you can’t achieve the expected results…total crap!

    If the physics that many commenter post were “spot on”, we wouldn’t be using gasoline at all! According to their way of thinking, it just makes no sense to use energy to produce a fuel…PERIOD! Refining crude oil to produce gasoline takes an enormous amount of energy. The fuel produced though has a HIGHER energy potential than the energy used to produce it. That is why the production of gasoline makes sense.

    The actual increase in power and energy needed to produce HHO from water is NOT greater than the POTENTIAL increase in power that the HHO can deliver when used in CONJUNCTION with gasoline. Yes it takes energy in the form of DC power from the alternator and YES that does cause your engine to work harder to turn the alternator BUT if the difference is more than compensated by the increase in power produced by the passive injection of HHO, then there is no reason for it not to work.

    As for the power potential of Hydrogen, hundreds of times greater by volume than gasoline! Otherwise the shuttle would be launched using a gasoline/oxygen mix.

    Another word, current engines are terrible at extracting energy from gasoline. The combustion mix used today is designed to keep engine (combustion) temperatures LOW! This is more of a manufacturing cost concern than anything else. Using any current engine, if you modify the fuel/air mix for greater power and efficiency, you will also burn holes in your pistons or burn up your spark plugs. Yes greater fuel efficiency is highly possible without using HHO but you will need a high tech engine with greater heat tolerance.

    In the mean time, keep experimenting! It is those who keep trying when the “science” say “it can’t be done” who end up changing the world.

  • http://www.afreshpath.com Alhefner

    Enough already! Anecdotal evidence often indicates that the current applied science is incorrect. As for the water4gas or other HHO devices and the “science” that “proves” that you can’t achieve the expected results…total crap!

    If the physics that many commenter post were “spot on”, we wouldn’t be using gasoline at all! According to their way of thinking, it just makes no sense to use energy to produce a fuel…PERIOD! Refining crude oil to produce gasoline takes an enormous amount of energy. The fuel produced though has a HIGHER energy potential than the energy used to produce it. That is why the production of gasoline makes sense.

    The actual increase in power and energy needed to produce HHO from water is NOT greater than the POTENTIAL increase in power that the HHO can deliver when used in CONJUNCTION with gasoline. Yes it takes energy in the form of DC power from the alternator and YES that does cause your engine to work harder to turn the alternator BUT if the difference is more than compensated by the increase in power produced by the passive injection of HHO, then there is no reason for it not to work.

    As for the power potential of Hydrogen, hundreds of times greater by volume than gasoline! Otherwise the shuttle would be launched using a gasoline/oxygen mix.

    Another word, current engines are terrible at extracting energy from gasoline. The combustion mix used today is designed to keep engine (combustion) temperatures LOW! This is more of a manufacturing cost concern than anything else. Using any current engine, if you modify the fuel/air mix for greater power and efficiency, you will also burn holes in your pistons or burn up your spark plugs. Yes greater fuel efficiency is highly possible without using HHO but you will need a high tech engine with greater heat tolerance.

    In the mean time, keep experimenting! It is those who keep trying when the “science” say “it can’t be done” who end up changing the world.

  • james owen

    mother earth news did an article on water injection..what it amounts to is water in small amounts is injected into the airsteam in a mist. it give the engine more oxygen ( never buy a car on a rainy day it always runs better)that equals more power so now you lift your foot…you are going same speed with less gas used.(btw the higher compression the better within limits).proven in ww2 prop driven spitfire planes use this..BUT too much is bad..get the mother earth article. the cost in todays money less than $20.00 fact!!

  • james owen

    mother earth news did an article on water injection..what it amounts to is water in small amounts is injected into the airsteam in a mist. it give the engine more oxygen ( never buy a car on a rainy day it always runs better)that equals more power so now you lift your foot…you are going same speed with less gas used.(btw the higher compression the better within limits).proven in ww2 prop driven spitfire planes use this..BUT too much is bad..get the mother earth article. the cost in todays money less than $20.00 fact!!

  • james owen

    mother earth news did an article on water injection..what it amounts to is water in small amounts is injected into the airsteam in a mist. it give the engine more oxygen ( never buy a car on a rainy day it always runs better)that equals more power so now you lift your foot…you are going same speed with less gas used.(btw the higher compression the better within limits).proven in ww2 prop driven spitfire planes use this..BUT too much is bad..get the mother earth article. the cost in todays money less than $20.00 fact!!

  • http://ortmanent.apsense.com Terry Ortman

    Stanley Meyer invented the car that ran on water. Do a web search. Everyone says it takes too much energy to convert the water to hydrogen and oxygen, unfortunately, that’s not the case.

    The VITALIZER has been on the market wince 1988, and as a mechanic and skeptic I bought one under the 90 day money back guarantee to prove it didn’t work. After seeing the results, I’ve been selling them ever since, and they have worked on every vehicle I own.

    http://vitalizer.8m.com

  • http://ortmanent.apsense.com Terry Ortman

    Stanley Meyer invented the car that ran on water. Do a web search. Everyone says it takes too much energy to convert the water to hydrogen and oxygen, unfortunately, that’s not the case.

    The VITALIZER has been on the market wince 1988, and as a mechanic and skeptic I bought one under the 90 day money back guarantee to prove it didn’t work. After seeing the results, I’ve been selling them ever since, and they have worked on every vehicle I own.

    http://vitalizer.8m.com

  • http://hydrogen-on-demand.net Craig

    thought that buying a book and following the instructions would be easy to build one of those water hybrid kits for my car . I was dead wrong. I could not find the parts in stock and once I had the parts it took forever to build. If you have the parts and the time, by all means purchase the book and install it yourself. But I did find a much easier way, and I’m not afraid to let you know.

    There is a company that manufactures real stainless steel units like the cheesy mason jar one that I made. These units are awesome. They are pre-made, so no drilling and gluing and creating electrodes. Everything is done for you, they even have installers that will do it for you, so they look just like another component of the car and completely professional.

    I increased my mileage from 14-15mpg to 24-25mpg in my Toyota FJ Cruiser. I am estatic about that. Sure, I would like to get 50 mpg, but I’ll take that increase which is almost double.

    Anyway, if you want to see a picture here it is. http://hydrogen-on-demand.net

  • http://hydrogen-on-demand.net Craig

    thought that buying a book and following the instructions would be easy to build one of those water hybrid kits for my car . I was dead wrong. I could not find the parts in stock and once I had the parts it took forever to build. If you have the parts and the time, by all means purchase the book and install it yourself. But I did find a much easier way, and I’m not afraid to let you know.

    There is a company that manufactures real stainless steel units like the cheesy mason jar one that I made. These units are awesome. They are pre-made, so no drilling and gluing and creating electrodes. Everything is done for you, they even have installers that will do it for you, so they look just like another component of the car and completely professional.

    I increased my mileage from 14-15mpg to 24-25mpg in my Toyota FJ Cruiser. I am estatic about that. Sure, I would like to get 50 mpg, but I’ll take that increase which is almost double.

    Anyway, if you want to see a picture here it is. http://hydrogen-on-demand.net

  • http://hydrogen-on-demand.net Craig

    thought that buying a book and following the instructions would be easy to build one of those water hybrid kits for my car . I was dead wrong. I could not find the parts in stock and once I had the parts it took forever to build. If you have the parts and the time, by all means purchase the book and install it yourself. But I did find a much easier way, and I’m not afraid to let you know.

    There is a company that manufactures real stainless steel units like the cheesy mason jar one that I made. These units are awesome. They are pre-made, so no drilling and gluing and creating electrodes. Everything is done for you, they even have installers that will do it for you, so they look just like another component of the car and completely professional.

    I increased my mileage from 14-15mpg to 24-25mpg in my Toyota FJ Cruiser. I am estatic about that. Sure, I would like to get 50 mpg, but I’ll take that increase which is almost double.

    Anyway, if you want to see a picture here it is. http://hydrogen-on-demand.net

  • http://vortexfuelsaver.com/28.html Steve

    I see you referenced FUEL MAX but yet you show the Vortex Fuel Saver? They are different technologies as one is Bi-Polar and the other is Mono-Polar. Have you ever tried the Vortex Fuel Saver. It looks like from these third party testimonials that it works and works well. Are you saying these people even the news station is lying? From NEWS 12 to independent agencies showing that it works I wonder how much you do not really know about these technologies. For those that really want to see proof I suggest you look at the part of this website. http://vortexfuelsaver.com/28.html (cut and Paste)

    Thanks for not using a product then saying bad things about it. You make no sense.

  • http://vortexfuelsaver.com/28.html Steve

    I see you referenced FUEL MAX but yet you show the Vortex Fuel Saver? They are different technologies as one is Bi-Polar and the other is Mono-Polar. Have you ever tried the Vortex Fuel Saver. It looks like from these third party testimonials that it works and works well. Are you saying these people even the news station is lying? From NEWS 12 to independent agencies showing that it works I wonder how much you do not really know about these technologies. For those that really want to see proof I suggest you look at the part of this website. http://vortexfuelsaver.com/28.html (cut and Paste)

    Thanks for not using a product then saying bad things about it. You make no sense.

  • http://none Carol Long

    Pretty sure it was a hoax, I googled “watercar hoax” and found that the same person, the hoax perpetrator, was behind all but one of the sites that came up. His sites said it’s not a hoax, honest. But of course, contrary to my ever wide-eyed hopes, it is. My scientist sources say it takes a LOT of energy to unlock hydrogen from the strong molecular bonds holding it in water. The one true hoax-exposing website said that the hoaxer’s device does produce energy for a short time, not from water, but from a process to do with the metal in the equipment used in the electrolyzing process. When the metal is used up, the hydrogen gas can no longer be produced and the device is no longer useful. I’m not sure what the metal is, but I think it’s fairly rare–platinum, titanium, those are kind of wild guesses. I don’t print out everything.

    As for the methane/hydrogen similar type process, there are various scientists and one entrepeneur who say they can produce hydrogen in a cell with methanol and water. I think. The entrepeneur, at any rate, said that the feeding the results of the cell into the gasoline combustion process in a regular gas-powered auto makes gasoline 95-98%more clean burning and 30-50% more efficient. The entrepeneur has quite a legitimate looking website and says he already has a deal to produce his cells and install them in a fleet of limousines. The scientists–I think one is at the University of Pennsylvania or Penn State–talked to radio host Ira Flatow on NPR’s Science Friday a few months ago. Just go to the NPR website for the Talk of the Nation Science Friday show.

    I’ll try to send you the link to the fuel cell-gas hybrid manufacturer. Thanks for looking into this subject.

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  • http://40mpg Dan

    Hey Tony,

    Where’s the clutch on my alternator? I looked all over and coundn’t find what put

    the thing into free wheel. Maybe you can

    help me on this one. Are you saying that

    electro-mechanical drag is going to drian

    power to the extent that up to as one other said 40hp? I’m from Missouri I thought the regulator was in there to break

    the flow and the Alternator was constant.

  • Mike

    saw this on an auto engineering website.

    ‘Run Your Car On Water’ Scheme Could Leave Consumers All Wet

    http://consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

  • Mike

    saw this on an auto engineering website.

    ‘Run Your Car On Water’ Scheme Could Leave Consumers All Wet

    http://consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

  • Sean

    I’ve done a lot of testing on these units and have great results each time. I installed a hydrogen unit with a map/maf enhancer on my 1995 ranger and saw an average of 6mpg increase. I also helped install the same unit on my friends 08 Toyota Yaris. Before the unit he was getting about 38mpg on the highway now if he takes it easy on the highway the best results were 92mpg with an overall average of 84mpg. I was sceptical at first but that was all the evidence I needed.

  • Sean

    I’ve done a lot of testing on these units and have great results each time. I installed a hydrogen unit with a map/maf enhancer on my 1995 ranger and saw an average of 6mpg increase. I also helped install the same unit on my friends 08 Toyota Yaris. Before the unit he was getting about 38mpg on the highway now if he takes it easy on the highway the best results were 92mpg with an overall average of 84mpg. I was sceptical at first but that was all the evidence I needed.

  • Sean

    I’ve done a lot of testing on these units and have great results each time. I installed a hydrogen unit with a map/maf enhancer on my 1995 ranger and saw an average of 6mpg increase. I also helped install the same unit on my friends 08 Toyota Yaris. Before the unit he was getting about 38mpg on the highway now if he takes it easy on the highway the best results were 92mpg with an overall average of 84mpg. I was sceptical at first but that was all the evidence I needed.

  • Sean

    I’ve done a lot of testing on these units and have great results each time. I installed a hydrogen unit with a map/maf enhancer on my 1995 ranger and saw an average of 6mpg increase. I also helped install the same unit on my friends 08 Toyota Yaris. Before the unit he was getting about 38mpg on the highway now if he takes it easy on the highway the best results were 92mpg with an overall average of 84mpg. I was sceptical at first but that was all the evidence I needed.

  • sean

    All of the results listed above were from using Water4Gas plans and devices. To get your own copy of these gas saving plans just go to: http://skfloyd.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

  • sean

    All of the results listed above were from using Water4Gas plans and devices. To get your own copy of these gas saving plans just go to: http://skfloyd.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

  • sean

    All of the results listed above were from using Water4Gas plans and devices. To get your own copy of these gas saving plans just go to: http://skfloyd.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

  • sean

    All of the results listed above were from using Water4Gas plans and devices. To get your own copy of these gas saving plans just go to: http://skfloyd.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

  • http://www.modyourcar.com.au Dan R.

    Not all fuel saving devices are scams theres a lot out there but its really up to the consumer to make their mind up. The MTECH fuel saver looks pretty good and has the R&D to back it up.

  • http://www.modyourcar.com.au Dan R.

    Not all fuel saving devices are scams theres a lot out there but its really up to the consumer to make their mind up. The MTECH fuel saver looks pretty good and has the R&D to back it up.

  • http://www.modyourcar.com.au Dan R.

    Not all fuel saving devices are scams theres a lot out there but its really up to the consumer to make their mind up. The MTECH fuel saver looks pretty good and has the R&D to back it up.

  • http://www.advancedtrends.com Jon

    One thing it seems most people miss is the amount of HHO needed to keep the mixture going into the engine I don’t think this system could keep up, if you were to use it you should use a mulitple system so you have a constant supply of HHO but then you will need to suplement the batteries and alternator. You should also consider the fuel mixture and the timing of the engine. If this really worked well I think you would see Nascar and other racing Vehicles using it.

  • http://www.advancedtrends.com Jon

    One thing it seems most people miss is the amount of HHO needed to keep the mixture going into the engine I don’t think this system could keep up, if you were to use it you should use a mulitple system so you have a constant supply of HHO but then you will need to suplement the batteries and alternator. You should also consider the fuel mixture and the timing of the engine. If this really worked well I think you would see Nascar and other racing Vehicles using it.

  • http://www.advancedtrends.com Jon

    One thing it seems most people miss is the amount of HHO needed to keep the mixture going into the engine I don’t think this system could keep up, if you were to use it you should use a mulitple system so you have a constant supply of HHO but then you will need to suplement the batteries and alternator. You should also consider the fuel mixture and the timing of the engine. If this really worked well I think you would see Nascar and other racing Vehicles using it.

  • http://www.advancedtrends.com Jon

    One thing it seems most people miss is the amount of HHO needed to keep the mixture going into the engine I don’t think this system could keep up, if you were to use it you should use a mulitple system so you have a constant supply of HHO but then you will need to suplement the batteries and alternator. You should also consider the fuel mixture and the timing of the engine. If this really worked well I think you would see Nascar and other racing Vehicles using it.

  • http://stoppayingatthepump.com Joanna

    Let’s just put a stop to the high gas prices altogether. We could boycott the oil companies and stop buying gas but we just can’t do without our vehicles. You can convert your vehicle to a water hybrid. To learn more go to http://stoppayingatthepump.com

  • http://stoppayingatthepump.com Joanna

    Let’s just put a stop to the high gas prices altogether. We could boycott the oil companies and stop buying gas but we just can’t do without our vehicles. You can convert your vehicle to a water hybrid. To learn more go to http://stoppayingatthepump.com

  • http://stoppayingatthepump.com Joanna

    Let’s just put a stop to the high gas prices altogether. We could boycott the oil companies and stop buying gas but we just can’t do without our vehicles. You can convert your vehicle to a water hybrid. To learn more go to http://stoppayingatthepump.com

  • NV_Smith

    Water and/or water/methanol induction has probably been around since WW1. One can look through the pre-WW2 “Popular Mechanix” type magazines and see ads for them and articles on how to build them. Essentially a container of HOH or HOH/Methanol is mounted in the engine compartment with an uptake tube running through an adjustable valve to the intake manifold as close to the carburetor as possible. The car is initially started with the valve closed, the engine leaned out and then the valve opened in minute increments until the proper vacuum/mixture level is reached and the valve is locked. This was an ersatz copy of the water/alcohol injection systems used in performance aircraft; the mixture cools the cylinder and helps prevent premature detonation. It works, although how well it would work with an electronic fuel injection system is beyond my ken. These things made a great resurgence during the 1970s fuel crisis & gave me an eye opening introduction into just how dumb allegedly smart lawyers and doctors can be. There are two major, major, problems with the system. #1: the mixture tank can never run dry. If it does the engine will suddenly be sucking additional air into the engine and really screw up the fuel/air ratio and/or act as a vacuum leak. #2: one size does not fit all. Humidity, elevation, temperature and other factors affect the proper balance. The setting made in someone’s garage probably won’t be the best setting for the engine in all operating conditions. In short, the theory behind the system is more or less sound but, to date, the application has been flawed. I hadn’t heard that there are systems promising to split the water into H & O. That would be super spiffy: add the H to the fuel and the O to the air intake. Add the turbinators and the super spark plugs to the 100mpg carb and the owner will have to drain gas out every night to keep his tank from overflowing.

  • NV_Smith

    Water and/or water/methanol induction has probably been around since WW1. One can look through the pre-WW2 “Popular Mechanix” type magazines and see ads for them and articles on how to build them. Essentially a container of HOH or HOH/Methanol is mounted in the engine compartment with an uptake tube running through an adjustable valve to the intake manifold as close to the carburetor as possible. The car is initially started with the valve closed, the engine leaned out and then the valve opened in minute increments until the proper vacuum/mixture level is reached and the valve is locked. This was an ersatz copy of the water/alcohol injection systems used in performance aircraft; the mixture cools the cylinder and helps prevent premature detonation. It works, although how well it would work with an electronic fuel injection system is beyond my ken. These things made a great resurgence during the 1970s fuel crisis & gave me an eye opening introduction into just how dumb allegedly smart lawyers and doctors can be. There are two major, major, problems with the system. #1: the mixture tank can never run dry. If it does the engine will suddenly be sucking additional air into the engine and really screw up the fuel/air ratio and/or act as a vacuum leak. #2: one size does not fit all. Humidity, elevation, temperature and other factors affect the proper balance. The setting made in someone’s garage probably won’t be the best setting for the engine in all operating conditions. In short, the theory behind the system is more or less sound but, to date, the application has been flawed. I hadn’t heard that there are systems promising to split the water into H & O. That would be super spiffy: add the H to the fuel and the O to the air intake. Add the turbinators and the super spark plugs to the 100mpg carb and the owner will have to drain gas out every night to keep his tank from overflowing.

  • NV_Smith

    Water and/or water/methanol induction has probably been around since WW1. One can look through the pre-WW2 “Popular Mechanix” type magazines and see ads for them and articles on how to build them. Essentially a container of HOH or HOH/Methanol is mounted in the engine compartment with an uptake tube running through an adjustable valve to the intake manifold as close to the carburetor as possible. The car is initially started with the valve closed, the engine leaned out and then the valve opened in minute increments until the proper vacuum/mixture level is reached and the valve is locked. This was an ersatz copy of the water/alcohol injection systems used in performance aircraft; the mixture cools the cylinder and helps prevent premature detonation. It works, although how well it would work with an electronic fuel injection system is beyond my ken. These things made a great resurgence during the 1970s fuel crisis & gave me an eye opening introduction into just how dumb allegedly smart lawyers and doctors can be. There are two major, major, problems with the system. #1: the mixture tank can never run dry. If it does the engine will suddenly be sucking additional air into the engine and really screw up the fuel/air ratio and/or act as a vacuum leak. #2: one size does not fit all. Humidity, elevation, temperature and other factors affect the proper balance. The setting made in someone’s garage probably won’t be the best setting for the engine in all operating conditions. In short, the theory behind the system is more or less sound but, to date, the application has been flawed. I hadn’t heard that there are systems promising to split the water into H & O. That would be super spiffy: add the H to the fuel and the O to the air intake. Add the turbinators and the super spark plugs to the 100mpg carb and the owner will have to drain gas out every night to keep his tank from overflowing.

  • ChuckL

    The 1950 Crosley Supersport used a “Vitameter” water injection system to allow a 10:1 compression ratio in the engine which raised the horsepower from the 26.5 HP of the otherwise identical powertrain in the Crosley “Hotshot” to 40 HP.

    I don’t know about any mileage improvement, but the water injection cooled the intake gasses and allowed the 43% increase in compression without pre-ignition. If you didn’t use the extra power, the mileage should have gone up.

  • ChuckL

    The 1950 Crosley Supersport used a “Vitameter” water injection system to allow a 10:1 compression ratio in the engine which raised the horsepower from the 26.5 HP of the otherwise identical powertrain in the Crosley “Hotshot” to 40 HP.

    I don’t know about any mileage improvement, but the water injection cooled the intake gasses and allowed the 43% increase in compression without pre-ignition. If you didn’t use the extra power, the mileage should have gone up.

  • Joe Scoles

    There is a fixed number of BTU’s in a gallon of gasoline. These are the units of heat that the engine uses to produce power. One can only get more milage or power by utilizing more of the heat(larger cylinders more power more fuel). Remember, a lot of heat is wasted in the cooling system but try running your car without coolant! Meltdown of the engine occurs very rapidly. Add ons to save fuel look like a lot of hogwash to me–no thanks. My comments are based on many years of experience as a licensed aircraft maintenance person and aero engine specialist.

    Joe

  • Joe Scoles

    There is a fixed number of BTU’s in a gallon of gasoline. These are the units of heat that the engine uses to produce power. One can only get more milage or power by utilizing more of the heat(larger cylinders more power more fuel). Remember, a lot of heat is wasted in the cooling system but try running your car without coolant! Meltdown of the engine occurs very rapidly. Add ons to save fuel look like a lot of hogwash to me–no thanks. My comments are based on many years of experience as a licensed aircraft maintenance person and aero engine specialist.

    Joe

  • Fredrik

    Water4gas is working only IF you change the timing and reprogram the O2 sensor. That will increase mileage but it will also increase wear out of the engine. Running an engine on wrong timing and lean mixture can cause several damage. Even if it saves fuel the lifetime of the engine will be shorter so you can call it a scam in the long run.

  • Fredrik

    Water4gas is working only IF you change the timing and reprogram the O2 sensor. That will increase mileage but it will also increase wear out of the engine. Running an engine on wrong timing and lean mixture can cause several damage. Even if it saves fuel the lifetime of the engine will be shorter so you can call it a scam in the long run.

  • http://www.water4gasonline.com/ alex

    It is a great articles.

  • http://www.water4gasonline.com/ alex

    It is a great articles.

  • Ron Kladt

    In 40 plus years in the automative field I have tried many devices and additives to enhance fuel milage, power and lower emmisions. My all time favoriet is the magnets. I have used them on every thing from 2 ton trucks to my lawn mower and they have never let me down. On a average they will up the fuel milage by 2 miles to a gallon. In prove the power curve and lower the emissions. The one thing that I have lerent about fuel enhansing systems. Is if it is something people have to add to their gas every time they fill up they get tird of the hassle and quiet. The other thing I have lerent is if a system increases you fuel millage by 2 miles a gallon after a while you forget that you use to get 2 miles less and you expect more.

    Personally I have a set f magnets that I have had on many vechicales and they always give me at least 2 miles per gallon increase in millage, more power and

    lower emissions.

  • Ron Kladt

    In 40 plus years in the automative field I have tried many devices and additives to enhance fuel milage, power and lower emmisions. My all time favoriet is the magnets. I have used them on every thing from 2 ton trucks to my lawn mower and they have never let me down. On a average they will up the fuel milage by 2 miles to a gallon. In prove the power curve and lower the emissions. The one thing that I have lerent about fuel enhansing systems. Is if it is something people have to add to their gas every time they fill up they get tird of the hassle and quiet. The other thing I have lerent is if a system increases you fuel millage by 2 miles a gallon after a while you forget that you use to get 2 miles less and you expect more.

    Personally I have a set f magnets that I have had on many vechicales and they always give me at least 2 miles per gallon increase in millage, more power and

    lower emissions.

  • Ron Kladt

    In 40 plus years in the automative field I have tried many devices and additives to enhance fuel milage, power and lower emmisions. My all time favoriet is the magnets. I have used them on every thing from 2 ton trucks to my lawn mower and they have never let me down. On a average they will up the fuel milage by 2 miles to a gallon. In prove the power curve and lower the emissions. The one thing that I have lerent about fuel enhansing systems. Is if it is something people have to add to their gas every time they fill up they get tird of the hassle and quiet. The other thing I have lerent is if a system increases you fuel millage by 2 miles a gallon after a while you forget that you use to get 2 miles less and you expect more.

    Personally I have a set f magnets that I have had on many vechicales and they always give me at least 2 miles per gallon increase in millage, more power and

    lower emissions.

  • Ray

    Here’s a unique idea. Dissimilar conductors will generate electricity in an electrolyte. Get magnesium blocks, sold as a fire starting aid at camping stores, and graphite blocks, sold for drawing at better art supply stores. Use a magnesium block and a graphite block for your dissimilar electrodes. Use two graphite blocks for your electrolysis production. Space your electrodes with plastic electrical tape. This permits the electrodes to be insulated from each other but still be very near each other. Properly engineered, the dissimilar electrodes can power the electrolysis reaction.

  • Ray

    Here’s a unique idea. Dissimilar conductors will generate electricity in an electrolyte. Get magnesium blocks, sold as a fire starting aid at camping stores, and graphite blocks, sold for drawing at better art supply stores. Use a magnesium block and a graphite block for your dissimilar electrodes. Use two graphite blocks for your electrolysis production. Space your electrodes with plastic electrical tape. This permits the electrodes to be insulated from each other but still be very near each other. Properly engineered, the dissimilar electrodes can power the electrolysis reaction.

  • Ray

    Here’s a unique idea. Dissimilar conductors will generate electricity in an electrolyte. Get magnesium blocks, sold as a fire starting aid at camping stores, and graphite blocks, sold for drawing at better art supply stores. Use a magnesium block and a graphite block for your dissimilar electrodes. Use two graphite blocks for your electrolysis production. Space your electrodes with plastic electrical tape. This permits the electrodes to be insulated from each other but still be very near each other. Properly engineered, the dissimilar electrodes can power the electrolysis reaction.

  • Ray

    Here’s a unique idea. Dissimilar conductors will generate electricity in an electrolyte. Get magnesium blocks, sold as a fire starting aid at camping stores, and graphite blocks, sold for drawing at better art supply stores. Use a magnesium block and a graphite block for your dissimilar electrodes. Use two graphite blocks for your electrolysis production. Space your electrodes with plastic electrical tape. This permits the electrodes to be insulated from each other but still be very near each other. Properly engineered, the dissimilar electrodes can power the electrolysis reaction.

  • Ray

    Here’s a unique idea. Dissimilar conductors will generate electricity in an electrolyte. Get magnesium blocks, sold as a fire starting aid at camping stores, and graphite blocks, sold for drawing at better art supply stores. Use a magnesium block and a graphite block for your dissimilar electrodes. Use two graphite blocks for your electrolysis production. Space your electrodes with plastic electrical tape. This permits the electrodes to be insulated from each other but still be very near each other. Properly engineered, the dissimilar electrodes can power the electrolysis reaction.

  • Ray

    You can make electrodes of great surface area and very close together by rolling 2 sheets of aluminum foil separated by waxed paper together. This technique generates the most gas using the smallest space.

  • Ray

    You can make electrodes of great surface area and very close together by rolling 2 sheets of aluminum foil separated by waxed paper together. This technique generates the most gas using the smallest space.

  • Ray

    You can make electrodes of great surface area and very close together by rolling 2 sheets of aluminum foil separated by waxed paper together. This technique generates the most gas using the smallest space.

  • Ray

    Woven plastic landscape fabric works better than waxed paper.

  • Ray

    Woven plastic landscape fabric works better than waxed paper.

  • Ray

    Woven plastic landscape fabric works better than waxed paper.

  • Ray

    Woven plastic landscape fabric works better than waxed paper.

  • Ray

    Power your oxyhydrogen device from wasted engine heat to run a steam engine/alternator. That stops the perpetual motion arguments.

  • Ray

    Power your oxyhydrogen device from wasted engine heat to run a steam engine/alternator. That stops the perpetual motion arguments.

  • Ray

    Power your oxyhydrogen device from wasted engine heat to run a steam engine/alternator. That stops the perpetual motion arguments.

  • Ray

    Power your oxyhydrogen device from wasted engine heat to run a steam engine/alternator. That stops the perpetual motion arguments.

  • http://Web Daryl

    You would probably be interested to know that the Fuel Max product you refered to in your article is listed on http://www.ftc.gov website and is listed as being one of the only products that has been tested by the EPA and was found to actually work! (it’s the only product on the page that has an asterisk beside it which verifies that it actually worked when tested by the EPA!) And it was even more interesting to hear from you that the Fed’s have banned the sale of the FuelMax gas saving device in the U.S.! That does sound like a conspiracy! It sounds like we all need to get our hands on a similar product that works equally as well as the FuelMax that has’nt been banned yet…before they bann them all!

  • http://www.myautorepairadvice.com Steve

    I have never found a fuel saving device that actually worked…either has the FTC!!!

  • Buynpack

    Horseshit, these devices dont add any miles to a gallon of gas.  There are still not one single device that Adds even one mile to a gallon of gas until NOW! I built it and Patented it.  And am installing them in Southern California.   IT is called the SEAD Sytem.  It costs 3 thousand dollars to install to any Old or New rear wheel driven vehicle.  Front wheel vehicles soon…. A beginning user of my system gets 8 to 10 REAL EXTRA MILES for each Gallon of Gas….Or Diesel..
    Now, no more ” Devices”  Never gonna happen……A device what a friggin joke…………

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