Comments on: Ethanol Use in US and Brazil Rises Sharply http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ricardo http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2691 Ricardo Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:01:46 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2691 Hey, your data is wrong!!! Hydroelectric power accounts for 90% of the electricity production in Brazil. Additionally, Brazil have Itaipu, the largest Hydro plant in the world in energy generation. 24% of the electric energy of the country comes from this plant. http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-ENERGY-AND-POWER.html Hey, your data is wrong!!!

Hydroelectric power accounts for 90% of the electricity production in Brazil.

Additionally, Brazil have Itaipu, the largest Hydro plant in the world in energy generation. 24% of the electric energy of the country comes from this plant.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-ENERGY-AND-POWER.html

]]> By: Ricardo http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24666 Ricardo Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:01:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24666 Hey, your data is wrong!!! Hydroelectric power accounts for 90% of the electricity production in Brazil. Additionally, Brazil have Itaipu, the largest Hydro plant in the world in energy generation. 24% of the electric energy of the country comes from this plant. http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-ENERGY-AND-POWER.html Hey, your data is wrong!!!

Hydroelectric power accounts for 90% of the electricity production in Brazil.

Additionally, Brazil have Itaipu, the largest Hydro plant in the world in energy generation. 24% of the electric energy of the country comes from this plant.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-ENERGY-AND-POWER.html

]]> By: Rob http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2690 Rob Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:54:18 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2690 I agree that the jury is still out on whether or not corn is the best way to produce ethanol. I tend to think it hurts more than helps. With that in mind I do think ethanol is possibly a large part of the answer. Instead of corn based ethanol use cellulose based ethanol. There is much research going into the use of hybrid poplar trees for this purpose. They will very soon be able to extract about 1,000 gallons per acre per year using this tree. This is far better than even sugar cane and it can be grown on sub marginal lands not suitable for food crops. Here is the link for that: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060823.Chapple.poplar.html And perhaps an even better solution research a guy named Stan Meyer and his water car. This is NOT electrolosis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9DooV_mDk I agree that the jury is still out on whether or not corn is the best way to produce ethanol. I tend to think it hurts more than helps. With that in mind I do think ethanol is possibly a large part of the answer. Instead of corn based ethanol use cellulose based ethanol. There is much research going into the use of hybrid poplar trees for this purpose. They will very soon be able to extract about 1,000 gallons per acre per year using this tree. This is far better than even sugar cane and it can be grown on sub marginal lands not suitable for food crops. Here is the link for that:

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060823.Chapple.poplar.html

And perhaps an even better solution research a guy named Stan Meyer and his water car. This is NOT electrolosis.

]]> By: Rob http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24665 Rob Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:54:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24665 I agree that the jury is still out on whether or not corn is the best way to produce ethanol. I tend to think it hurts more than helps. With that in mind I do think ethanol is possibly a large part of the answer. Instead of corn based ethanol use cellulose based ethanol. There is much research going into the use of hybrid poplar trees for this purpose. They will very soon be able to extract about 1,000 gallons per acre per year using this tree. This is far better than even sugar cane and it can be grown on sub marginal lands not suitable for food crops. Here is the link for that: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060823.Chapple.poplar.html And perhaps an even better solution research a guy named Stan Meyer and his water car. This is NOT electrolosis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9DooV_mDk I agree that the jury is still out on whether or not corn is the best way to produce ethanol. I tend to think it hurts more than helps. With that in mind I do think ethanol is possibly a large part of the answer. Instead of corn based ethanol use cellulose based ethanol. There is much research going into the use of hybrid poplar trees for this purpose. They will very soon be able to extract about 1,000 gallons per acre per year using this tree. This is far better than even sugar cane and it can be grown on sub marginal lands not suitable for food crops. Here is the link for that:

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060823.Chapple.poplar.html

And perhaps an even better solution research a guy named Stan Meyer and his water car. This is NOT electrolosis.

]]> By: Thomas http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2689 Thomas Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:34:40 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2689 Not sure Hydrogen based is the best option... Just a quick sequence to show the energy being 'transformed': (Electric car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity (Hydrogen car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity -> (+water) -> Hydrogen seems that Electric car is the 'best' option... Regarding the source of electricity: (Hydro-electric): Sun -> Water in higher altitudes (potential energy) -> Electricity (Coal): Coal -> water vapor -> electricity (Nuclear): Atomic energy -> Heat/water vapor -> electricity (Solar): sun -> Electricity (Wind): sun (+earth movement) -> wind -> Electricity This one is actually arguble ... Solar is the 'shortest' path... but atomic is extremelly efficient. Some are cleaner, some are not... But basically, there are only two 'types': -One originates from energy stored in elements (radiation, molecules), as for Radioactive materials, coal, gas, diesel, ethanol, etc - which are 'limited' - unless the process that created them in the first place happens again. (i.e: Ethanol: plant needs nutrients + sun light in order to create sugar, which is then used to create alcohol...) -The other one is from the sun, which is a constant source of energy, and does not require our intervention in order to create it. So Solar power would be my pick, and electricity the energy format used (for convinience purposes...) Not sure Hydrogen based is the best option…

Just a quick sequence to show the energy being ‘transformed’:

(Electric car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity

(Hydrogen car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity -> (+water) -> Hydrogen

seems that Electric car is the ‘best’ option…

Regarding the source of electricity:

(Hydro-electric): Sun -> Water in higher altitudes (potential energy) -> Electricity

(Coal): Coal -> water vapor -> electricity

(Nuclear): Atomic energy -> Heat/water vapor -> electricity

(Solar): sun -> Electricity

(Wind): sun (+earth movement) -> wind -> Electricity

This one is actually arguble … Solar is the ‘shortest’ path… but atomic is extremelly efficient. Some are cleaner, some are not…

But basically, there are only two ‘types’:

-One originates from energy stored in elements (radiation, molecules), as for Radioactive materials, coal, gas, diesel, ethanol, etc – which are ‘limited’ – unless the process that created them in the first place happens again. (i.e: Ethanol: plant needs nutrients + sun light in order to create sugar, which is then used to create alcohol…)

-The other one is from the sun, which is a constant source of energy, and does not require our intervention in order to create it.

So Solar power would be my pick, and electricity the energy format used (for convinience purposes…)

]]> By: Thomas http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24664 Thomas Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:34:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24664 Not sure Hydrogen based is the best option... Just a quick sequence to show the energy being 'transformed': (Electric car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity (Hydrogen car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity -> (+water) -> Hydrogen seems that Electric car is the 'best' option... Regarding the source of electricity: (Hydro-electric): Sun -> Water in higher altitudes (potential energy) -> Electricity (Coal): Coal -> water vapor -> electricity (Nuclear): Atomic energy -> Heat/water vapor -> electricity (Solar): sun -> Electricity (Wind): sun (+earth movement) -> wind -> Electricity This one is actually arguble ... Solar is the 'shortest' path... but atomic is extremelly efficient. Some are cleaner, some are not... But basically, there are only two 'types': -One originates from energy stored in elements (radiation, molecules), as for Radioactive materials, coal, gas, diesel, ethanol, etc - which are 'limited' - unless the process that created them in the first place happens again. (i.e: Ethanol: plant needs nutrients + sun light in order to create sugar, which is then used to create alcohol...) -The other one is from the sun, which is a constant source of energy, and does not require our intervention in order to create it. So Solar power would be my pick, and electricity the energy format used (for convinience purposes...) Not sure Hydrogen based is the best option…

Just a quick sequence to show the energy being ‘transformed’:

(Electric car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity

(Hydrogen car): (Solar/wind/hydroelectric/etc) -> Electricity -> (+water) -> Hydrogen

seems that Electric car is the ‘best’ option…

Regarding the source of electricity:

(Hydro-electric): Sun -> Water in higher altitudes (potential energy) -> Electricity

(Coal): Coal -> water vapor -> electricity

(Nuclear): Atomic energy -> Heat/water vapor -> electricity

(Solar): sun -> Electricity

(Wind): sun (+earth movement) -> wind -> Electricity

This one is actually arguble … Solar is the ‘shortest’ path… but atomic is extremelly efficient. Some are cleaner, some are not…

But basically, there are only two ‘types’:

-One originates from energy stored in elements (radiation, molecules), as for Radioactive materials, coal, gas, diesel, ethanol, etc – which are ‘limited’ – unless the process that created them in the first place happens again. (i.e: Ethanol: plant needs nutrients + sun light in order to create sugar, which is then used to create alcohol…)

-The other one is from the sun, which is a constant source of energy, and does not require our intervention in order to create it.

So Solar power would be my pick, and electricity the energy format used (for convinience purposes…)

]]> By: Max Peck http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2688 Max Peck Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:37:53 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2688 Lower energy content per gallon ( 84,000 Btu per gallon for ethanol vs. gasoline which contains about 115,000 Btu’s per gallon) means we have to devote even more crop grains to equal equivalent power. Food prices soon will reach luxury item status...no thanks. A hydrogen based economy is the way to go, not carbon based. Without a radical shift away from the hydrocarbon based energy scenario, we will have painted ourselves into a corner. Lower energy content per gallon ( 84,000 Btu per gallon for ethanol vs. gasoline which contains about 115,000 Btu’s per gallon) means we have to devote even more crop grains to equal equivalent power. Food prices soon will reach luxury item status…no thanks.

A hydrogen based economy is the way to go, not carbon based. Without a radical shift away from the hydrocarbon based energy scenario, we will have painted ourselves into a corner.

]]> By: Max Peck http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24663 Max Peck Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:37:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24663 Lower energy content per gallon ( 84,000 Btu per gallon for ethanol vs. gasoline which contains about 115,000 Btu’s per gallon) means we have to devote even more crop grains to equal equivalent power. Food prices soon will reach luxury item status...no thanks. A hydrogen based economy is the way to go, not carbon based. Without a radical shift away from the hydrocarbon based energy scenario, we will have painted ourselves into a corner. Lower energy content per gallon ( 84,000 Btu per gallon for ethanol vs. gasoline which contains about 115,000 Btu’s per gallon) means we have to devote even more crop grains to equal equivalent power. Food prices soon will reach luxury item status…no thanks.

A hydrogen based economy is the way to go, not carbon based. Without a radical shift away from the hydrocarbon based energy scenario, we will have painted ourselves into a corner.

]]> By: Uncle B http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2687 Uncle B Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:53:12 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-2687 Ethanol, George Bush supported it, it has to be flawed! Ask any high school physics teacher, turning hemp oil or algae oil into bio-diesel is more efficient. I know America is addicted to gasoline cars, but European Turbo-diesels, particularly those from BMW and VW, offer much higher return in miles per gallon of fuel than gasoline or gasoline/ethanol engines. Diesels use higher compression ratios, hence get more out of their fuel than bloodsucking, oil crisis causing, short-lived spark ignition low compression engines - just by their design - its BETTER America - BETTER! Check it out and buy diesel to wash away high oil prices. P.S. Your refiners are f**king you up the ass on diesel fuel, it is cheaper to refine and there is more of it in a barrel of oil, before cracking it to gasoline, an expensive and wasteful process, since, yield in miles traveled for the diesel fuel are much higher than for the cracked gas. How's your wallet area feel now? Ethanol, George Bush supported it, it has to be flawed! Ask any high school physics teacher, turning hemp oil or algae oil into bio-diesel is more efficient. I know America is addicted to gasoline cars, but European Turbo-diesels, particularly those from BMW and VW, offer much higher return in miles per gallon of fuel than gasoline or gasoline/ethanol engines. Diesels use higher compression ratios, hence get more out of their fuel than bloodsucking, oil crisis causing, short-lived spark ignition low compression engines – just by their design – its BETTER America – BETTER! Check it out and buy diesel to wash away high oil prices.

P.S. Your refiners are f**king you up the ass on diesel fuel, it is cheaper to refine and there is more of it in a barrel of oil, before cracking it to gasoline, an expensive and wasteful process, since, yield in miles traveled for the diesel fuel are much higher than for the cracked gas. How’s your wallet area feel now?

]]> By: Uncle B http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24662 Uncle B Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:53:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/05/22/ethanol-use-in-us-and-brazil-rises-sharply/#comment-24662 Ethanol, George Bush supported it, it has to be flawed! Ask any high school physics teacher, turning hemp oil or algae oil into bio-diesel is more efficient. I know America is addicted to gasoline cars, but European Turbo-diesels, particularly those from BMW and VW, offer much higher return in miles per gallon of fuel than gasoline or gasoline/ethanol engines. Diesels use higher compression ratios, hence get more out of their fuel than bloodsucking, oil crisis causing, short-lived spark ignition low compression engines - just by their design - its BETTER America - BETTER! Check it out and buy diesel to wash away high oil prices. P.S. Your refiners are f**king you up the ass on diesel fuel, it is cheaper to refine and there is more of it in a barrel of oil, before cracking it to gasoline, an expensive and wasteful process, since, yield in miles traveled for the diesel fuel are much higher than for the cracked gas. How's your wallet area feel now? Ethanol, George Bush supported it, it has to be flawed! Ask any high school physics teacher, turning hemp oil or algae oil into bio-diesel is more efficient. I know America is addicted to gasoline cars, but European Turbo-diesels, particularly those from BMW and VW, offer much higher return in miles per gallon of fuel than gasoline or gasoline/ethanol engines. Diesels use higher compression ratios, hence get more out of their fuel than bloodsucking, oil crisis causing, short-lived spark ignition low compression engines – just by their design – its BETTER America – BETTER! Check it out and buy diesel to wash away high oil prices.

P.S. Your refiners are f**king you up the ass on diesel fuel, it is cheaper to refine and there is more of it in a barrel of oil, before cracking it to gasoline, an expensive and wasteful process, since, yield in miles traveled for the diesel fuel are much higher than for the cracked gas. How’s your wallet area feel now?

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