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Published on May 21st, 2008 | by Clayton

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Clean Diesel Cars Coming to US This Fall: 2008-2010 Timeline

2009 Jetta SportWagen, clean diesel

New diesels will get better mileage and have cleaner emissions than your average car. Pictured above: 2009 Jetta SportWagen 2L TDI Clean Diesel.

Later this year (see the timeline below), we will finally begin to see an influx of new model diesels in the United States. While diesels make up 50% of the market share of vehicles in Europe, they’re still trying to shrug off the stigma of being dirty, noisy beasts here in the US. So what changed?

What are “clean” diesels?

In 2006, the EPA required the introduction of Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), which removed a major polluting component of diesel fuel. Since sulfur would damage advanced emissions control systems, ULSD paved the way for better emissions control technology.

As early as August, we will start to see a new era of diesels that employ new technology to meet the strictest emissions standards in the world—BIN5/LEV II—which are enforced by 5 US states: California, Massachusetts, Maine, New York, and Vermont. BIN5/LEV II standards severely cap nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions (0.05 g/mile), one of the two tailpipe pollutants that have given diesels a bad rap (that and particulate matter).

Newer filters in these emissions systems trap particulate matter, while each model uses its own method to process NOx. Several models, including those from BMW, Mercedes, and Audi, will require the maintenance of a six- to eight-gallon tank of urea. The ammonia-rich solution (for example: Mercedes BlueTEC) is injected into exhaust to neutralize smog-forming nitrogen oxides. Since the urea tanks only require replenishing every 12,000 miles or so, inconvenience seems minimal, and some models, like Honda and VW diesels, meet emissions requirements without them.

While you might expect most of these diesels to get exceptional mileage, some of them do surprisingly poor. For example, the Mercedes and Audi models only get around 18/25 MPG (making this a good reason to continue to avoid SUVs). I know that the new emissions technology is supposed to negatively affect mileage, but 25 MPG is unimpressive, considering that VW’s Jetta BlueTDI got a road tested 60 MPG.

While the high price of diesel fuel is eating into some of the economic advantage of buying a new diesel vehicle, the difference is offset by mileage gains of 25 to 40% over comparable gas models. You might not see too much difference in sticker prices, either. Some models could cost $1,500 to $3,500 more for this new emissions control technology, but VW says its Jetta SportWagens could cost $2,000 less. Also be on the lookout for Federal tax credits that could be as large as $3,400 per vehicle.

When can we expect to see clean diesels in the US? Here’s the timeline:

2009 Jetta BlueTDI, Clean Diesel

1. Volkswagen

  • When: August 2008
  • Models: 2009 Jetta BlueTDI sedans and SportWagens
  • Engine: 2-liter turbodiesel in-line 4
  • Est. Mileage: 29/40 m.p.g. Sedan road tested at 60 MPG.
  • Est. Base Price: $22,000 to $25,000

Mercedes ML320, clean diesel

2. Mercedes

BMW 335D, Clean Diesel

3. BMW

Audi Q7, clean diesel

4. Audi

When: January 2009

Honda Accord Clean Diesel

5. Honda (yes it’s true)

  • When: 2009
  • Models: Acura TSX sedan, other models could follow
  • Engine: 2.2-liter i-DTEC
  • Est. Mileage: 34/53 MPG
  • Est. Base Price: ?

Jeep Grand Cherokee

6. Jeep

  • When: 2009
  • Models: Jeep Grand Cherokee
  • 7. General Motors/Ford/Dodge

    2009 Nissan Maxima Sedan

    8. Nissan

    Subaru Diesel

    9. Subaru

    • When: 2010
    • Models: Legacy sedan or Outback wagon
    • Engine: 2-liter turbodiesel flat 4
    • Est. Mileage: 33/47 m.p.g. (Outback)
    • Est. Base Price: $28,000 (Outback)

    Header Photo Credit: VW

    For more, see: Diesel Engines Clean Up for an Encore (New York Times)

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    In a past life, Clayton was a professional blogger and editor of Gas 2.0, Important Media’s blog covering the future of sustainable transportation. He was also the Managing Editor for GO Media, the predecessor to Important Media.



    • http://azsustainably.com James Towner

      I’m really interested in finding out how much the Honda will cost and what some of the other will get as far as MPGs. I have 2 VW Golf TDIs and love them, so would probably lean toward a Rabbit TDI if they come out with those.

    • http://azsustainably.com James Towner

      I’m really interested in finding out how much the Honda will cost and what some of the other will get as far as MPGs. I have 2 VW Golf TDIs and love them, so would probably lean toward a Rabbit TDI if they come out with those.

    • Owner

      I own one of the new “clean diesel” vehicles. It was made in 2007 1/2 and will run on bio diesel (if I could find it). It has been in the shop at least 8 times in the past 10 months. The technology is garbage. I will not mention the name but it is a problem effecting the entire line for more than one auto maker. Wanna laugh. It was towed from my yard this morning and is currently broken down on the side of the road (test drive).

      I applaud the idea but wait for the technology to become more sound!!!

    • Owner

      I own one of the new “clean diesel” vehicles. It was made in 2007 1/2 and will run on bio diesel (if I could find it). It has been in the shop at least 8 times in the past 10 months. The technology is garbage. I will not mention the name but it is a problem effecting the entire line for more than one auto maker. Wanna laugh. It was towed from my yard this morning and is currently broken down on the side of the road (test drive).

      I applaud the idea but wait for the technology to become more sound!!!

    • http://www.eHealthInsuranceSource.com Richien

      I can hardly wait. I love the diesel pickup truck I have had for years.

      I would get a real kick out of driving a diesel that gets about 60 m.p.g.

    • http://www.eHealthInsuranceSource.com Richien

      I can hardly wait. I love the diesel pickup truck I have had for years.

      I would get a real kick out of driving a diesel that gets about 60 m.p.g.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      James, I’d be interested to know if you’ve had any trouble with your Golfs. I’ve heard several people tell me they were expensive on that end, and that seems to be the main complaint (read what Owner said).

      Word of mouth that these cars have serious technical problems could kill them before they even get off the ground.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      James, I’d be interested to know if you’ve had any trouble with your Golfs. I’ve heard several people tell me they were expensive on that end, and that seems to be the main complaint (read what Owner said).

      Word of mouth that these cars have serious technical problems could kill them before they even get off the ground.

    • brad

      Do you have any performance data you can include (i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad)? I’m just concerned that if the cars under perform, nobody will buy them.

    • brad

      Do you have any performance data you can include (i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad)? I’m just concerned that if the cars under perform, nobody will buy them.

    • brad

      Do you have any performance data you can include (i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad)? I’m just concerned that if the cars under perform, nobody will buy them.

    • brad

      Do you have any performance data you can include (i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad)? I’m just concerned that if the cars under perform, nobody will buy them.

    • Lucius

      This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.

    • Lucius

      This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.

    • http://www.watters.ws Michael

      I’ve owned my TDI for 5 years and at 180k miles the only major problem I’ve had was the alternator dieing. There are a few common issues on older TDIs that I had to fix as well (brake switch relay, MAF sensor, and relay 109.) Even with those things I still love my car and it still runs great, the mileage can’t be beat either.

    • http://www.watters.ws Michael

      I’ve owned my TDI for 5 years and at 180k miles the only major problem I’ve had was the alternator dieing. There are a few common issues on older TDIs that I had to fix as well (brake switch relay, MAF sensor, and relay 109.) Even with those things I still love my car and it still runs great, the mileage can’t be beat either.

    • http://www.watters.ws Michael

      I’ve owned my TDI for 5 years and at 180k miles the only major problem I’ve had was the alternator dieing. There are a few common issues on older TDIs that I had to fix as well (brake switch relay, MAF sensor, and relay 109.) Even with those things I still love my car and it still runs great, the mileage can’t be beat either.

    • john

      I have a diesel jetta now, it’s for sale of course ;) 225,000 miles and just getting started! Whenever people ask me about the sound or the smell I just tell them that is the sound of saving money, and the smell, that just happens to be pure bio-diesel.

    • john

      I have a diesel jetta now, it’s for sale of course ;) 225,000 miles and just getting started! Whenever people ask me about the sound or the smell I just tell them that is the sound of saving money, and the smell, that just happens to be pure bio-diesel.

    • fnorgby

      Want. Trying to convince the wife to wait until the Jetta Blue TDI is available before buying a 2nd car.

      Also, it’s means “it is” not “belonging to it”. Apostrophe foul! “When in doubt, leave it out!”

    • fnorgby

      Want. Trying to convince the wife to wait until the Jetta Blue TDI is available before buying a 2nd car.

      Also, it’s means “it is” not “belonging to it”. Apostrophe foul! “When in doubt, leave it out!”

    • fnorgby

      Want. Trying to convince the wife to wait until the Jetta Blue TDI is available before buying a 2nd car.

      Also, it’s means “it is” not “belonging to it”. Apostrophe foul! “When in doubt, leave it out!”

    • John

      Funny that “Owner” won’t mention the brand of car that he’s had problems with. if he’s in the US, the _only_ “bluetec” brand available is Mercedes.

      He cannot possibly own any of the other brands mentioned here, because none of these engines were available either here or in Europe in 2007. The Jetta TDI, for example, is a new design different from what was on sale in Europe in 2007 (it’s a common rail diesel instead of “pump-duse”).

    • John

      Funny that “Owner” won’t mention the brand of car that he’s had problems with. if he’s in the US, the _only_ “bluetec” brand available is Mercedes.

      He cannot possibly own any of the other brands mentioned here, because none of these engines were available either here or in Europe in 2007. The Jetta TDI, for example, is a new design different from what was on sale in Europe in 2007 (it’s a common rail diesel instead of “pump-duse”).

    • Sal

      I am in no position to offer advice or opinion from experience, but I do fee that “Owner” is morally obliged as a consumer to detail his bad experiences. What is the point of hiding them? Every day I spend on the Interwebs, I become more sold on the concept, “Pics, or it didn’t happen.”

    • Sal

      I am in no position to offer advice or opinion from experience, but I do fee that “Owner” is morally obliged as a consumer to detail his bad experiences. What is the point of hiding them? Every day I spend on the Interwebs, I become more sold on the concept, “Pics, or it didn’t happen.”

    • Sal

      I am in no position to offer advice or opinion from experience, but I do fee that “Owner” is morally obliged as a consumer to detail his bad experiences. What is the point of hiding them? Every day I spend on the Interwebs, I become more sold on the concept, “Pics, or it didn’t happen.”

    • http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com Chuck

      At least on the two that the price is mentioned, doesn’t sound bad at all. Hopefully diesel won’t be $6 by fall, and those babies do better mileage. We hit $4 for the first time here in Champaign this morning :-(

    • http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com Chuck

      At least on the two that the price is mentioned, doesn’t sound bad at all. Hopefully diesel won’t be $6 by fall, and those babies do better mileage. We hit $4 for the first time here in Champaign this morning :-(

    • http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com Chuck

      At least on the two that the price is mentioned, doesn’t sound bad at all. Hopefully diesel won’t be $6 by fall, and those babies do better mileage. We hit $4 for the first time here in Champaign this morning :-(

    • http://www.cashpotatos.com cash wild

      this is just crazy, the price of gas is annoying.

    • http://www.cashpotatos.com cash wild

      this is just crazy, the price of gas is annoying.

    • http://www.cashpotatos.com cash wild

      this is just crazy, the price of gas is annoying.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      The Bosch Group just sent me an email highlighting the following points about clean diesels. I don’t have any source to cite, so you’ll just have to take their word for it:

      -Clean diesel engines pack the power, offering a 50 percent better torque than a comparable gasoline vehicle

      -Switching to a clean diesel engine reduces carbon dioxide emissions by up to 25 percent

      -The EPA estimates that if one-third of U.S. vehicles ran on clean diesel, America could save 1.4 billion barrels of oil per day (an annual savings of nearly $170 billion)

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      The Bosch Group just sent me an email highlighting the following points about clean diesels. I don’t have any source to cite, so you’ll just have to take their word for it:

      -Clean diesel engines pack the power, offering a 50 percent better torque than a comparable gasoline vehicle

      -Switching to a clean diesel engine reduces carbon dioxide emissions by up to 25 percent

      -The EPA estimates that if one-third of U.S. vehicles ran on clean diesel, America could save 1.4 billion barrels of oil per day (an annual savings of nearly $170 billion)

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Btw, thanks for all the editing help people! I had to read the post 4 times before I could find the errors – they’re often invisible in your own writing.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Btw, thanks for all the editing help people! I had to read the post 4 times before I could find the errors – they’re often invisible in your own writing.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Btw, thanks for all the editing help people! I had to read the post 4 times before I could find the errors – they’re often invisible in your own writing.

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    • http://cleantechnica.com Rod Adams

      I have been a satisfied Jetta TDI owner since 2001. My first one was going great and hit about 45,000 miles in about 18 months of hard commuting and long distance trips before it met an unfortunate demise caused by a 1993 Caprice fleeing from the scene of an accident by running through a red light. Since I walked away from a rather severe impact that did a real mangle job on the car, I bought a second Jetta in May 2002.

      That one has 150,000 miles on it with no significant repairs to the drive train. It is a reliable little car that has no trouble negotiating DC traffic, merging onto Route 50 (which often moves in excess of the posted 65 MPH) or carrying four people plus cargo.

      Do not let the 90 HP number fool you – diesel engines have much better low end torque than gasoline engines because of their higher compression ratios.

      My normal habit is to own cars for about 100,000 miles and then to trade them in before they start giving me trouble. (I am pretty technically oriented but too busy to work on my own vehicles.)

      I have kept the Jetta quite a bit longer than that waiting for the new models to finally arrive. I am a diesel convert and believe that it is only a matter of time before the recent diesel to gasoline price differential reverses itself. I am not predicting that diesel will suddenly get cheaper, just that the relationship between its price and the price of gasoline is a temporary market condition.

    • http://cleantechnica.com Rod Adams

      I have been a satisfied Jetta TDI owner since 2001. My first one was going great and hit about 45,000 miles in about 18 months of hard commuting and long distance trips before it met an unfortunate demise caused by a 1993 Caprice fleeing from the scene of an accident by running through a red light. Since I walked away from a rather severe impact that did a real mangle job on the car, I bought a second Jetta in May 2002.

      That one has 150,000 miles on it with no significant repairs to the drive train. It is a reliable little car that has no trouble negotiating DC traffic, merging onto Route 50 (which often moves in excess of the posted 65 MPH) or carrying four people plus cargo.

      Do not let the 90 HP number fool you – diesel engines have much better low end torque than gasoline engines because of their higher compression ratios.

      My normal habit is to own cars for about 100,000 miles and then to trade them in before they start giving me trouble. (I am pretty technically oriented but too busy to work on my own vehicles.)

      I have kept the Jetta quite a bit longer than that waiting for the new models to finally arrive. I am a diesel convert and believe that it is only a matter of time before the recent diesel to gasoline price differential reverses itself. I am not predicting that diesel will suddenly get cheaper, just that the relationship between its price and the price of gasoline is a temporary market condition.

    • Richard Holmes

      A local VW dealer told me this week that the Jetta diesel sedan will be available September, 2008, but the Jetta diesel wagon will not be in the USA until September, 2009. Does anyone know if this is true? I’ve found it very hard if not impossible to get information about the new diesel wagon. I am extremely interested in any information.

    • Richard Holmes

      A local VW dealer told me this week that the Jetta diesel sedan will be available September, 2008, but the Jetta diesel wagon will not be in the USA until September, 2009. Does anyone know if this is true? I’ve found it very hard if not impossible to get information about the new diesel wagon. I am extremely interested in any information.

    • Richard Holmes

      A local VW dealer told me this week that the Jetta diesel sedan will be available September, 2008, but the Jetta diesel wagon will not be in the USA until September, 2009. Does anyone know if this is true? I’ve found it very hard if not impossible to get information about the new diesel wagon. I am extremely interested in any information.

    • Richard Holmes

      A local VW dealer told me this week that the Jetta diesel sedan will be available September, 2008, but the Jetta diesel wagon will not be in the USA until September, 2009. Does anyone know if this is true? I’ve found it very hard if not impossible to get information about the new diesel wagon. I am extremely interested in any information.

    • Wondering

      “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      My car gets 20mpg @ $4.00 a gallon… a VW will get at least 40mpg at $5.00 a gallon…. So… since I get over twice the mileage wouldn’t it be much cheaper? I dont understand your comment. Are you under the impression that diesel will continue to rise and gas will stay the same? So at some point diesel will be $9.00 and gas will still be down at $4.00?

    • Wondering

      “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      My car gets 20mpg @ $4.00 a gallon… a VW will get at least 40mpg at $5.00 a gallon…. So… since I get over twice the mileage wouldn’t it be much cheaper? I dont understand your comment. Are you under the impression that diesel will continue to rise and gas will stay the same? So at some point diesel will be $9.00 and gas will still be down at $4.00?

    • Wondering

      “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      My car gets 20mpg @ $4.00 a gallon… a VW will get at least 40mpg at $5.00 a gallon…. So… since I get over twice the mileage wouldn’t it be much cheaper? I dont understand your comment. Are you under the impression that diesel will continue to rise and gas will stay the same? So at some point diesel will be $9.00 and gas will still be down at $4.00?

    • Wondering

      “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      My car gets 20mpg @ $4.00 a gallon… a VW will get at least 40mpg at $5.00 a gallon…. So… since I get over twice the mileage wouldn’t it be much cheaper? I dont understand your comment. Are you under the impression that diesel will continue to rise and gas will stay the same? So at some point diesel will be $9.00 and gas will still be down at $4.00?

    • Richard Holmes

      RE: “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      Where you have a diesel that gets 40 mpg v. a gasoline engine that gets 20 mpg, as long as diesel fuel is less that 200% the price of gasoline, diesel wins that cost comparison. In other words, if gas is $4 per gallon, the break even price for diesel is $8 per gallon. Who is predicting that kind of a spread?

    • Richard Holmes

      RE: “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      Where you have a diesel that gets 40 mpg v. a gasoline engine that gets 20 mpg, as long as diesel fuel is less that 200% the price of gasoline, diesel wins that cost comparison. In other words, if gas is $4 per gallon, the break even price for diesel is $8 per gallon. Who is predicting that kind of a spread?

    • Richard Holmes

      RE: “This is great except for the fact diesel fuel is even more expensive than gasoline and keeps rising.”

      Where you have a diesel that gets 40 mpg v. a gasoline engine that gets 20 mpg, as long as diesel fuel is less that 200% the price of gasoline, diesel wins that cost comparison. In other words, if gas is $4 per gallon, the break even price for diesel is $8 per gallon. Who is predicting that kind of a spread?

    • Fritz Sandes

      Why are the spec.’s showing a mileage of 33/46 and then say 60 mpg road tested. Where would they test other than the road. And if the dyno test schedule shows 33/46 but the road test 60 mpg, something is not right here. Someone must have screwed up in the advertising department.

      Come on, guys, get real and tell us what we can really expect.

    • Fritz Sandes

      Why are the spec.’s showing a mileage of 33/46 and then say 60 mpg road tested. Where would they test other than the road. And if the dyno test schedule shows 33/46 but the road test 60 mpg, something is not right here. Someone must have screwed up in the advertising department.

      Come on, guys, get real and tell us what we can really expect.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Fritz,

      There is a bit of discrepancy among mileage calculations. VW said they got 60 mpg with the Jetta Sedan in a road test. The mileage listed there is for the Sportwagen.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Fritz,

      There is a bit of discrepancy among mileage calculations. VW said they got 60 mpg with the Jetta Sedan in a road test. The mileage listed there is for the Sportwagen.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Fritz,

      There is a bit of discrepancy among mileage calculations. VW said they got 60 mpg with the Jetta Sedan in a road test. The mileage listed there is for the Sportwagen.

    • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

      Fritz,

      There is a bit of discrepancy among mileage calculations. VW said they got 60 mpg with the Jetta Sedan in a road test. The mileage listed there is for the Sportwagen.

    • monkeyfurbal

      I’d love to get my hands on one of the Subaru AWD diesel’s at 47 mpg hwy. I live in MN and with our winters I always buy an AWD. No AWD even comes close to that kind of mileage right now. Even my Honda CRV only gets 29 mpg hwy on a good warm summer day.

    • monkeyfurbal

      I’d love to get my hands on one of the Subaru AWD diesel’s at 47 mpg hwy. I live in MN and with our winters I always buy an AWD. No AWD even comes close to that kind of mileage right now. Even my Honda CRV only gets 29 mpg hwy on a good warm summer day.

    • monkeyfurbal

      I’d love to get my hands on one of the Subaru AWD diesel’s at 47 mpg hwy. I live in MN and with our winters I always buy an AWD. No AWD even comes close to that kind of mileage right now. Even my Honda CRV only gets 29 mpg hwy on a good warm summer day.

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    • http://www.magtransauto.com/ Aubrey Stanton

      Oh, Yes, I didn’t mention cheverolet has an electric car in betta testing called the Volt. So it can be done. So US auto factories can make all the electric cars they can sell with present tech and improving tech follows.Again get congress off the backs of free enterprise as regarding regs that just hinder progress and let the economy heal on its own.

    • http://www.magtransauto.com/ Aubrey Stanton

      Oh, Yes, I didn’t mention cheverolet has an electric car in betta testing called the Volt. So it can be done. So US auto factories can make all the electric cars they can sell with present tech and improving tech follows.Again get congress off the backs of free enterprise as regarding regs that just hinder progress and let the economy heal on its own.

    • Arb

      The problem with the price of gas is not, nor will it ever be supply. It is demand !! Let me explain: The Ford Model T got 25 mpg way back 100 years ago. Engine then were not nearly as efficient as today’s clean diesels… so, why only 60 mpg ?

      Demand from the user for energy. That 1978 diesel Rabbit I had got 50 mpg doing 75 mph. But, my demands on it were small – no power steering pump, no vacuum pump, no power anything. Simply a diesel engine turning an over-drive manual trans in less than 2,000 of bulk. Today, try to find any car w/o power steering / brakes, etc. All these things take energy. So, our DEMAND is the problem. We have not demanded they sell us the clean super high MPG small diesels they sell to the rest of the world.

      So, we deserve $6 per gallon gas !! Really.

    • Arb

      The problem with the price of gas is not, nor will it ever be supply. It is demand !! Let me explain: The Ford Model T got 25 mpg way back 100 years ago. Engine then were not nearly as efficient as today’s clean diesels… so, why only 60 mpg ?

      Demand from the user for energy. That 1978 diesel Rabbit I had got 50 mpg doing 75 mph. But, my demands on it were small – no power steering pump, no vacuum pump, no power anything. Simply a diesel engine turning an over-drive manual trans in less than 2,000 of bulk. Today, try to find any car w/o power steering / brakes, etc. All these things take energy. So, our DEMAND is the problem. We have not demanded they sell us the clean super high MPG small diesels they sell to the rest of the world.

      So, we deserve $6 per gallon gas !! Really.

    • Arb

      The problem with the price of gas is not, nor will it ever be supply. It is demand !! Let me explain: The Ford Model T got 25 mpg way back 100 years ago. Engine then were not nearly as efficient as today’s clean diesels… so, why only 60 mpg ?

      Demand from the user for energy. That 1978 diesel Rabbit I had got 50 mpg doing 75 mph. But, my demands on it were small – no power steering pump, no vacuum pump, no power anything. Simply a diesel engine turning an over-drive manual trans in less than 2,000 of bulk. Today, try to find any car w/o power steering / brakes, etc. All these things take energy. So, our DEMAND is the problem. We have not demanded they sell us the clean super high MPG small diesels they sell to the rest of the world.

      So, we deserve $6 per gallon gas !! Really.

    • Arb

      The problem with the price of gas is not, nor will it ever be supply. It is demand !! Let me explain: The Ford Model T got 25 mpg way back 100 years ago. Engine then were not nearly as efficient as today’s clean diesels… so, why only 60 mpg ?

      Demand from the user for energy. That 1978 diesel Rabbit I had got 50 mpg doing 75 mph. But, my demands on it were small – no power steering pump, no vacuum pump, no power anything. Simply a diesel engine turning an over-drive manual trans in less than 2,000 of bulk. Today, try to find any car w/o power steering / brakes, etc. All these things take energy. So, our DEMAND is the problem. We have not demanded they sell us the clean super high MPG small diesels they sell to the rest of the world.

      So, we deserve $6 per gallon gas !! Really.

    • http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

      I have a Dodge 01 4×4 diesel and it’s nice to drive, I bought it to pull a 5th wheel, you need the muscle to tackle the rocky mountains. The gas……don’t ask you know what I mean, 10 to 11 miles city and 16 to 18 hwy, soooooooo lets make an air truck and invent a lighter trail trailer to pull it. sounds great!!!!

      P.S. I haven’t bought the 5th wheel because of the gas prices.

    • http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

      I have a Dodge 01 4×4 diesel and it’s nice to drive, I bought it to pull a 5th wheel, you need the muscle to tackle the rocky mountains. The gas……don’t ask you know what I mean, 10 to 11 miles city and 16 to 18 hwy, soooooooo lets make an air truck and invent a lighter trail trailer to pull it. sounds great!!!!

      P.S. I haven’t bought the 5th wheel because of the gas prices.

    • http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

      I have a Dodge 01 4×4 diesel and it’s nice to drive, I bought it to pull a 5th wheel, you need the muscle to tackle the rocky mountains. The gas……don’t ask you know what I mean, 10 to 11 miles city and 16 to 18 hwy, soooooooo lets make an air truck and invent a lighter trail trailer to pull it. sounds great!!!!

      P.S. I haven’t bought the 5th wheel because of the gas prices.

    • Simo

      John, Correction the new Jetta engine have been in Europe since 2004, common rail injection system. VW used this engine in the AUDI A4, and they are still using it. The only difference is the added Catalytic converter system to clean up the NOx in the exhaust. And that is one of the reason the the Jetta did not score well in the EPA test (29MPG city/ 40 hwy). The Catalytic converter is too restrictive, plus the system rely on injecting diesel fuel directly in the exhaust system to get rid of the NOx.

    • Simo

      John, Correction the new Jetta engine have been in Europe since 2004, common rail injection system. VW used this engine in the AUDI A4, and they are still using it. The only difference is the added Catalytic converter system to clean up the NOx in the exhaust. And that is one of the reason the the Jetta did not score well in the EPA test (29MPG city/ 40 hwy). The Catalytic converter is too restrictive, plus the system rely on injecting diesel fuel directly in the exhaust system to get rid of the NOx.

    • JohnS

      I own a 2004 Jetta TDI with more than 90k miles on the odometer and love it. It is very dependable. At 90k I had the timing belt changed (along with the water pump and the other suggested preventative maintenance for the timing belt change) and expect to go another 90k miles. Very few times have I smelled any diesel fumes. No one that rides in the car even knows that it is a diesel until I tell them.

      I am looking forward to buying the new Jetta diesel and giving my wife the 2004.

    • JohnS

      I own a 2004 Jetta TDI with more than 90k miles on the odometer and love it. It is very dependable. At 90k I had the timing belt changed (along with the water pump and the other suggested preventative maintenance for the timing belt change) and expect to go another 90k miles. Very few times have I smelled any diesel fumes. No one that rides in the car even knows that it is a diesel until I tell them.

      I am looking forward to buying the new Jetta diesel and giving my wife the 2004.

    • harley rice

      I’ve heard cadillac will sell a model with its european v6 diesel in the us. true? when? Thanks! harley rice

    • harley rice

      I’ve heard cadillac will sell a model with its european v6 diesel in the us. true? when? Thanks! harley rice

    • James

      I own two VW diesels. One is a 2001 jetta, the other 1986 golf. The jetta i’ve owned since 75k. Check engine light went on when i bought it. Had it checked at dealership and the light was turned off. They said it was a vaccuum hose disconnected, YEAH right! The light came back on one month later. Car has 120k now and light is still on. I ignore. Learned from my dad who use to put black tape over it cause its annoying. THOSE LIGHTS ARE BULL! Both cars run on homemade bio half of the time. Change fuel filters every 20k and everything great. DIESELS ROCK

    • James

      I own two VW diesels. One is a 2001 jetta, the other 1986 golf. The jetta i’ve owned since 75k. Check engine light went on when i bought it. Had it checked at dealership and the light was turned off. They said it was a vaccuum hose disconnected, YEAH right! The light came back on one month later. Car has 120k now and light is still on. I ignore. Learned from my dad who use to put black tape over it cause its annoying. THOSE LIGHTS ARE BULL! Both cars run on homemade bio half of the time. Change fuel filters every 20k and everything great. DIESELS ROCK

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    • Georgia

      We are in the process of looking for another diesel Jetta. We own a 2000 Jetta 5 speed turbo, it has (are you ready) 300k miles on it and still runs great, heated seats, everything on this car still works. I just don’t understand why the newer diesel’s don’t get as good mileage as the older models ours 51 mpg. Also, I believe a manual drive last longer. We have the timing belt changed every 70k miles, that is about all the expense to a diesel and is VERY expensive through a VW dealership. Lucky for us we have a mechanic who works on nothing but diesel motors and charges moderate rates.

    • Georgia

      We are in the process of looking for another diesel Jetta. We own a 2000 Jetta 5 speed turbo, it has (are you ready) 300k miles on it and still runs great, heated seats, everything on this car still works. I just don’t understand why the newer diesel’s don’t get as good mileage as the older models ours 51 mpg. Also, I believe a manual drive last longer. We have the timing belt changed every 70k miles, that is about all the expense to a diesel and is VERY expensive through a VW dealership. Lucky for us we have a mechanic who works on nothing but diesel motors and charges moderate rates.

    • Georgia

      We are in the process of looking for another diesel Jetta. We own a 2000 Jetta 5 speed turbo, it has (are you ready) 300k miles on it and still runs great, heated seats, everything on this car still works. I just don’t understand why the newer diesel’s don’t get as good mileage as the older models ours 51 mpg. Also, I believe a manual drive last longer. We have the timing belt changed every 70k miles, that is about all the expense to a diesel and is VERY expensive through a VW dealership. Lucky for us we have a mechanic who works on nothing but diesel motors and charges moderate rates.

    • Peter

      Mini Cooper/Clubman Cooper had a diesel on it boards since 2002, had a successful release in Europe, but is still dragging their heels on bringing it to our continent, presumably to determine if there is a market? Read the headlines MINI.

    • Peter

      Mini Cooper/Clubman Cooper had a diesel on it boards since 2002, had a successful release in Europe, but is still dragging their heels on bringing it to our continent, presumably to determine if there is a market? Read the headlines MINI.

    • Sean

      Here in australia diesel cars are very common and we have had 5 diesel 4wds and i have had no problem with them my current 4wd is a toyota prado it is the same as a gs470 but with diffrent headlights the diesel engine is a 3 litre 8 valve with overhead cam on it and it puts out about 140 hp and if i chip it i would get about 10 to 20% more hp and the taque 368 nm i dont know what that is the way the us pounds of taque we are very metric here in oz except when filling air into the tyers we still use psi. The diesel engine is very good to drive on the beach on with very soft sand because of the taque and i would get 8 to 10 litres per 100 km’s the engine is a in line 4 cylinder intercooler turbo diesel and another thing is that some taxi’s use diesel engines in them and they are in the vans called maxitaxi’s which is a van that cake 8 to 10 passengers or a wheel chair with other passengers with a 4 cylinder diesel or intercooled turbo diesel which a mainly toyota long wheel base vans and this is somthing they should do in the us and it would be very popular like in new york city or l.a. another thing about diesel 4wd’s that are very easy to drive in a manaul and my father had a manaul toyota landcruser turbo diesel 4.2 liter enging and i could do 2nd gear hill starts 80 series landcruser and 100 series landcruser is automatic 5 speed and driving at 100 km 60 miles an hour is at 1800 to 2100 rpm in 5th gear the prado 2200 at the same speed the top speed on the prado is 140 km per hour 80 miles per hour at around 3500 rpm

    • Sean

      Here in australia diesel cars are very common and we have had 5 diesel 4wds and i have had no problem with them my current 4wd is a toyota prado it is the same as a gs470 but with diffrent headlights the diesel engine is a 3 litre 8 valve with overhead cam on it and it puts out about 140 hp and if i chip it i would get about 10 to 20% more hp and the taque 368 nm i dont know what that is the way the us pounds of taque we are very metric here in oz except when filling air into the tyers we still use psi. The diesel engine is very good to drive on the beach on with very soft sand because of the taque and i would get 8 to 10 litres per 100 km’s the engine is a in line 4 cylinder intercooler turbo diesel and another thing is that some taxi’s use diesel engines in them and they are in the vans called maxitaxi’s which is a van that cake 8 to 10 passengers or a wheel chair with other passengers with a 4 cylinder diesel or intercooled turbo diesel which a mainly toyota long wheel base vans and this is somthing they should do in the us and it would be very popular like in new york city or l.a. another thing about diesel 4wd’s that are very easy to drive in a manaul and my father had a manaul toyota landcruser turbo diesel 4.2 liter enging and i could do 2nd gear hill starts 80 series landcruser and 100 series landcruser is automatic 5 speed and driving at 100 km 60 miles an hour is at 1800 to 2100 rpm in 5th gear the prado 2200 at the same speed the top speed on the prado is 140 km per hour 80 miles per hour at around 3500 rpm

    • Sean

      Here in australia diesel cars are very common and we have had 5 diesel 4wds and i have had no problem with them my current 4wd is a toyota prado it is the same as a gs470 but with diffrent headlights the diesel engine is a 3 litre 8 valve with overhead cam on it and it puts out about 140 hp and if i chip it i would get about 10 to 20% more hp and the taque 368 nm i dont know what that is the way the us pounds of taque we are very metric here in oz except when filling air into the tyers we still use psi. The diesel engine is very good to drive on the beach on with very soft sand because of the taque and i would get 8 to 10 litres per 100 km’s the engine is a in line 4 cylinder intercooler turbo diesel and another thing is that some taxi’s use diesel engines in them and they are in the vans called maxitaxi’s which is a van that cake 8 to 10 passengers or a wheel chair with other passengers with a 4 cylinder diesel or intercooled turbo diesel which a mainly toyota long wheel base vans and this is somthing they should do in the us and it would be very popular like in new york city or l.a. another thing about diesel 4wd’s that are very easy to drive in a manaul and my father had a manaul toyota landcruser turbo diesel 4.2 liter enging and i could do 2nd gear hill starts 80 series landcruser and 100 series landcruser is automatic 5 speed and driving at 100 km 60 miles an hour is at 1800 to 2100 rpm in 5th gear the prado 2200 at the same speed the top speed on the prado is 140 km per hour 80 miles per hour at around 3500 rpm

    • Will

      Finally…Choice…Diesel is now in line with reg petrol as of 2009. Options other than the TDI and the high end BMW and MB. Question though. Why isn’t the three (who make diesels in other countries) bringing them over to compete? Talk about bad decision after bad decision…

    • Will

      Finally…Choice…Diesel is now in line with reg petrol as of 2009. Options other than the TDI and the high end BMW and MB. Question though. Why isn’t the three (who make diesels in other countries) bringing them over to compete? Talk about bad decision after bad decision…

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