Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) Honda Civic Gx CNG Refueling

Published on April 29th, 2008 | by Clayton

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Natural Gas Cars: CNG Fuel Almost Free in Some Parts of the Country

Honda Civic Gx CNG Refueling

While the national average price of gasoline is now $3.60, some residents of Utah are happily filling up on compressed natural gas (CNG) at $0.63 per gallon. That’s the country’s lowest price for CNG, which has understandably caused a surge in demand for vehicles running on a fuel that one man described as “practically free.”

So far, CNG vehicles haven’t made a blip on my radar screen, even though the group Natural Gas Vehicles for America (NGVA) estimates there are 150,000 NGVs on U.S. roads today and over 5 million worldwide. It took a phone call from sunny Southern Utah to clue me in to recent developments, which include a local refueling station overflowing with CNG-hungry vehicles.

There are about 1500 CNG refueling stations in the US, which is about the same number of commercial stations offering E85 ethanol blends. Utah has a total of 91 CNG filling stations, most of which are reserved for commercial fleet use, but there are 20 open to the public. According to an article by the Associated Press, you could drive Utah from top to bottom and hit 22 different stations offering compressed natural gas.

The NGVA also says there are 50 different manufacturers producing 150 models of light, medium and heavy-duty vehicles and engines that run on compressed natural gas. Unfortunately, there’s only one for sale to individuals, Honda’s Civic GX, and it’s only offered in California and New York (although Utah could be next on the list). California ranks highest in number of CNG refueling stations, but fuel prices are also higher—more like $2.50 per gallon.

There’s so much demand now in Utah for CNG-ready vehicles that Honda can’t make them fast enough. Savvy customers are buying the vehicles from other states and shipping them back for sale. But waiting for a new Honda Civic GX to role off the assembly line isn’t the only option. It’s also possible to convert a used vehicle to run on natural gas, like Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who converted his state-owned Chevy Suburban. And for either used or new vehicles, the tax incentives are substantial. Combining state and federal tax credits in Utah can almost completely offset the approximately $7,000 difference in price between regular and CNG-ready vehicles.

One of the major benefits of using compressed natural gas is a significant reduction in emissions when compared to gasoline. Compressed natural gas is touted as the “cleanest burning” alternative fuel available, since the simplicity of the methane molecule reduces tailpipe emissions of different pollutants by 35-97%. Not quite as dramatic is the reduction in net greenhouse-gas emissions, which is about the same as corn-grain ethanol at about a 20% reduction over gasoline.

The big question in Utah is whether or not the infrastructure can keep up with the amount of new CNG cars on the road. Utah already has 5,000 CNG vehicles, up from none a few years ago, essentially overwhelming the refueling network.

Then, of course, there’s the question of natural gas supply. According to the NGVA, worldwide supply of natural gas is almost infinite, assuming we can tap into methane hydrate ice formations at the bottom of the arctic oceans. If we can’t figure that out, we can just drill more (please note the sarcastic tone):

…there are huge natural gas resources on public lands in the U.S. that currently are off-limits to drilling. These include areas a hundred miles or more off the coast of Florida and America’s east and west coast as well as the Rocky Mountain area. The current run-up in natural gas prices is increasing political pressure to allow gas exploration and production in these areas.

More promising is the potential of bio-methane, or the production of methane from the natural breakdown of plant material, something already captured by landfills in the US. The NGVA says that waste biomass could supply enough natural gas for about 11 million natural gas vehicles, which is approximately 5% of the nation’s automotive fleet.

This is certainly something to watch out for, and maybe even participate in if you live in Utah. Now that it’s got my attention, I’ll be taking a closer look at the Honda Civic GX this week, a car that has been called the cleanest burning vehicle on the planet.

More on Compressed Natural Gas Vehicles:

The Cleanest Cars on Earth: Honda Civic GX and Other Natural Gas Vehicles (NGVs)

For more on this story, see Natural-gas vehicles hot in Utah, where the fuel is cheap. Also see How Natural Gas Vehicles Work for more background.

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In a past life, Clayton was a professional blogger and editor of Gas 2.0, Important Media’s blog covering the future of sustainable transportation. He was also the Managing Editor for GO Media, the predecessor to Important Media.



  • http://www.kau.se Mattias From-Aldaron

    Another benefit of CNG is that it can easily be replaced with biogas. Without change to the infrastructure or cars. CNG is a quite good intermediary between gas and 0 CO2 fuels.

  • http://www.kau.se Mattias From-Aldaron

    Another benefit of CNG is that it can easily be replaced with biogas. Without change to the infrastructure or cars. CNG is a quite good intermediary between gas and 0 CO2 fuels.

    • Robert in Seattle

      Biogas comes form decaying plants and excrement. To produce enough biogas to meet our needs would require excessive raping of the land to grow enough plants to be consumed to produce methane in the quantities needed. . Biogas is a fringe fuel, with no mainstream signifcance. Alaska alone has an estimated 124 TRILLION cubic feet of CNG just waiting to be taken from the gound, with out any change in our food production.

      http://www.akrdc.org/issues/oilgas/overview.html

  • http://www.kau.se Mattias From-Aldaron

    Another benefit of CNG is that it can easily be replaced with biogas. Without change to the infrastructure or cars. CNG is a quite good intermediary between gas and 0 CO2 fuels.

  • http://www.kau.se Mattias From-Aldaron

    Another benefit of CNG is that it can easily be replaced with biogas. Without change to the infrastructure or cars. CNG is a quite good intermediary between gas and 0 CO2 fuels.

  • Ross

    i saw a new honda civic NGV for sale at the merritt island, FL honda dealership. they told me that their are no refueling stations there but that i could have my own personal refuelling station set up at my house….exactly like the one posted in the pic listed above….they also supposedly have like 230 or so mile range on a tank of Naturalgas *i think* if my memory serves me right.

    • peter

      yep – about right 190 city – 220 hghway was what i heard from a user

      they say u pay ~$1pg equiv if fill at home inc power for compressor & get 35-45mpg on the civic

  • Ross

    i saw a new honda civic NGV for sale at the merritt island, FL honda dealership. they told me that their are no refueling stations there but that i could have my own personal refuelling station set up at my house….exactly like the one posted in the pic listed above….they also supposedly have like 230 or so mile range on a tank of Naturalgas *i think* if my memory serves me right.

  • Ross

    i saw a new honda civic NGV for sale at the merritt island, FL honda dealership. they told me that their are no refueling stations there but that i could have my own personal refuelling station set up at my house….exactly like the one posted in the pic listed above….they also supposedly have like 230 or so mile range on a tank of Naturalgas *i think* if my memory serves me right.

  • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

    Ross,

    It sounds like a lot of dealerships are backed up on orders for the Honda GX. One told an associate of mine that they have 80 people on the waiting list.

    The refueling stations cost something like $3500, but I think you can get a $1000 tax break for them. It sounds expensive, but I don’t think it would take that long to pay off.

  • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

    Ross,

    It sounds like a lot of dealerships are backed up on orders for the Honda GX. One told an associate of mine that they have 80 people on the waiting list.

    The refueling stations cost something like $3500, but I think you can get a $1000 tax break for them. It sounds expensive, but I don’t think it would take that long to pay off.

  • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

    Ross,

    It sounds like a lot of dealerships are backed up on orders for the Honda GX. One told an associate of mine that they have 80 people on the waiting list.

    The refueling stations cost something like $3500, but I think you can get a $1000 tax break for them. It sounds expensive, but I don’t think it would take that long to pay off.

  • http://gas2.org Clayton B. Cornell

    Ross,

    It sounds like a lot of dealerships are backed up on orders for the Honda GX. One told an associate of mine that they have 80 people on the waiting list.

    The refueling stations cost something like $3500, but I think you can get a $1000 tax break for them. It sounds expensive, but I don’t think it would take that long to pay off.

  • http://www.CNGCARS.LA MARIO

    We sell CNG and BiFuel cars at http://www.CNGCARS.La

  • http://www.CNGCARS.LA MARIO

    We sell CNG and BiFuel cars at http://www.CNGCARS.La

  • http://www.CNGCARS.LA MARIO

    We sell CNG and BiFuel cars at http://www.CNGCARS.La

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  • david

    does anyone know how much CNG costs in new york state???

  • david

    does anyone know how much CNG costs in new york state???

  • http://none Brad

    What kind of mileage do these cars get. That seems to be the key factor.

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  • tiffany

    Can one find a Honda GX in Canada?

    • peter

      plenty of snowbirders could tow one home behind a winnebargo

  • tiffany

    Can one find a Honda GX in Canada?

  • tiffany

    Can one find a Honda GX in Canada?

  • tiffany

    Can one find a Honda GX in Canada?

  • jim

    i think cng is the way to go. how can i convert my 2003 toyota matrix to run on natural gas ? now if we could combine electric motors with cng and get the electric motors to run until 45 mph instead of 25-35 mph then we could save quite a lot on fuels and greatly increase the range. also they say the tank adds 200 or so pounds to the weight of the vehicle. why not make the tank out of the same composite matetrial that Boeing is making its 787 out of ?

    waiting for reply

    jim

  • jim

    i think cng is the way to go. how can i convert my 2003 toyota matrix to run on natural gas ? now if we could combine electric motors with cng and get the electric motors to run until 45 mph instead of 25-35 mph then we could save quite a lot on fuels and greatly increase the range. also they say the tank adds 200 or so pounds to the weight of the vehicle. why not make the tank out of the same composite matetrial that Boeing is making its 787 out of ?

    waiting for reply

    jim

  • jim

    i think cng is the way to go. how can i convert my 2003 toyota matrix to run on natural gas ? now if we could combine electric motors with cng and get the electric motors to run until 45 mph instead of 25-35 mph then we could save quite a lot on fuels and greatly increase the range. also they say the tank adds 200 or so pounds to the weight of the vehicle. why not make the tank out of the same composite matetrial that Boeing is making its 787 out of ?

    waiting for reply

    jim

  • jim

    i think cng is the way to go. how can i convert my 2003 toyota matrix to run on natural gas ? now if we could combine electric motors with cng and get the electric motors to run until 45 mph instead of 25-35 mph then we could save quite a lot on fuels and greatly increase the range. also they say the tank adds 200 or so pounds to the weight of the vehicle. why not make the tank out of the same composite matetrial that Boeing is making its 787 out of ?

    waiting for reply

    jim

  • jim

    i think cng is the way to go. how can i convert my 2003 toyota matrix to run on natural gas ? now if we could combine electric motors with cng and get the electric motors to run until 45 mph instead of 25-35 mph then we could save quite a lot on fuels and greatly increase the range. also they say the tank adds 200 or so pounds to the weight of the vehicle. why not make the tank out of the same composite matetrial that Boeing is making its 787 out of ?

    waiting for reply

    jim

  • Greg

    I have my own personal gas well on my property. The fuel would be free for me. Where do I find a conversion kit and how hard is it to install on a vehicle?

  • Greg

    I have my own personal gas well on my property. The fuel would be free for me. Where do I find a conversion kit and how hard is it to install on a vehicle?

  • http://building.athena.googlepages.com/bapage1.html Brian Drake

    In 2003, the consulting firm Accenture claimed that the US could convert to cars running CNG in 10 years for a total cost of about $300 billion. I don’t think I have to mention where we’re presently spending that much money with what results. You can read an article about Accenture’s proposal here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2003/06/01/343389/index.htm

    There are companies selling conversion kits, here’s one: http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

  • http://building.athena.googlepages.com/bapage1.html Brian Drake

    In 2003, the consulting firm Accenture claimed that the US could convert to cars running CNG in 10 years for a total cost of about $300 billion. I don’t think I have to mention where we’re presently spending that much money with what results. You can read an article about Accenture’s proposal here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2003/06/01/343389/index.htm

    There are companies selling conversion kits, here’s one: http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

  • http://building.athena.googlepages.com/bapage1.html Brian Drake

    In 2003, the consulting firm Accenture claimed that the US could convert to cars running CNG in 10 years for a total cost of about $300 billion. I don’t think I have to mention where we’re presently spending that much money with what results. You can read an article about Accenture’s proposal here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2003/06/01/343389/index.htm

    There are companies selling conversion kits, here’s one: http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

  • http://building.athena.googlepages.com/bapage1.html Brian Drake

    In 2003, the consulting firm Accenture claimed that the US could convert to cars running CNG in 10 years for a total cost of about $300 billion. I don’t think I have to mention where we’re presently spending that much money with what results. You can read an article about Accenture’s proposal here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2003/06/01/343389/index.htm

    There are companies selling conversion kits, here’s one: http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

  • http://building.athena.googlepages.com/bapage1.html Brian Drake

    In 2003, the consulting firm Accenture claimed that the US could convert to cars running CNG in 10 years for a total cost of about $300 billion. I don’t think I have to mention where we’re presently spending that much money with what results. You can read an article about Accenture’s proposal here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2003/06/01/343389/index.htm

    There are companies selling conversion kits, here’s one: http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

  • David Fitzmorris

    This is the proof that there is no shortage of oil. If the U.S. was halfa_ _ serious about solving the fuel situation, CNG is the answer.

  • David Fitzmorris

    This is the proof that there is no shortage of oil. If the U.S. was halfa_ _ serious about solving the fuel situation, CNG is the answer.

  • bertrams gloria

    where can I buy this car.

    my email is bertramsg@yahoo.com

  • bertrams gloria

    where can I buy this car.

    my email is bertramsg@yahoo.com

  • Mark

    It’s a great Idea !! To market/push CNG cars..

    The bigger question is will the natural gas suppliers/investors get greedy just as the the Oil companies are today. Will we be feeling that same pain from two sources AE:Oil today is Natural gas next ??? As any other it will be supply and demand. I hope this does not drive the Price of Natural Gas prices skyrocketing…

  • Mark

    It’s a great Idea !! To market/push CNG cars..

    The bigger question is will the natural gas suppliers/investors get greedy just as the the Oil companies are today. Will we be feeling that same pain from two sources AE:Oil today is Natural gas next ??? As any other it will be supply and demand. I hope this does not drive the Price of Natural Gas prices skyrocketing…

  • Darren Kellas

    Did you know that GM sells cng cars right now in Sweden under the Opel brand. It is such a rip-off that the American consumer is just fed horsepower and expected to accept 30 miles per gallon as gas saving car. In Europe lots of cars get 50 to 70 miles per gallon. Don’t you find it a bit strange that, with all the new technology, we can’t buy a car that beats a 1989 Geo Metro in fuel economy?

  • Darren Kellas

    Did you know that GM sells cng cars right now in Sweden under the Opel brand. It is such a rip-off that the American consumer is just fed horsepower and expected to accept 30 miles per gallon as gas saving car. In Europe lots of cars get 50 to 70 miles per gallon. Don’t you find it a bit strange that, with all the new technology, we can’t buy a car that beats a 1989 Geo Metro in fuel economy?

  • jeremiah

    hello everyone. i am a 15 year mechanic in the automotive industy and i would love to see a hole new line of these cars. i think its one of mans best inventions. great gas mileage, lower costing fuel and a great supply of natural gas all over the world..hahah! i live in las vegas now where i build custom race and show cars but my family is from kentucky where they own a LARGE amount of LAND.

    they had oil pumps put on their land to pump oil and come to find out they have ENOUGH NATURAL GAS TO SUPPLY 1/4 THE STATE OF KENTUCKY FOR THE NEXT MANY YEARS TO COME.. IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO REACH ME ON INVESTING IN THIS LAND LET ME KNOW. i’ll be contacting these NG companies to see if i can find any buyers for the NG in the land. email: jeremiahengland1977@hotmail.com

  • jeremiah

    hello everyone. i am a 15 year mechanic in the automotive industy and i would love to see a hole new line of these cars. i think its one of mans best inventions. great gas mileage, lower costing fuel and a great supply of natural gas all over the world..hahah! i live in las vegas now where i build custom race and show cars but my family is from kentucky where they own a LARGE amount of LAND.

    they had oil pumps put on their land to pump oil and come to find out they have ENOUGH NATURAL GAS TO SUPPLY 1/4 THE STATE OF KENTUCKY FOR THE NEXT MANY YEARS TO COME.. IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO REACH ME ON INVESTING IN THIS LAND LET ME KNOW. i’ll be contacting these NG companies to see if i can find any buyers for the NG in the land. email: jeremiahengland1977@hotmail.com

  • David Lantz

    I am very interested in CNG vehicles, but I can not understand why they cost so much. I have been told that some people haver installed their own CNG equipment and then find they have to pay $7,000 to have their installation examined and certified – the same as the cost to have their vehicle converted by a CNG dealer. It seems very counter productive or unbusiness like. And the cost to have one’s own home natural gas available for their own CNG vehicle also seems rediculously expensive!

  • David Lantz

    I am very interested in CNG vehicles, but I can not understand why they cost so much. I have been told that some people haver installed their own CNG equipment and then find they have to pay $7,000 to have their installation examined and certified – the same as the cost to have their vehicle converted by a CNG dealer. It seems very counter productive or unbusiness like. And the cost to have one’s own home natural gas available for their own CNG vehicle also seems rediculously expensive!

  • Harold B

    Hi there anybody knows where I can get a cng kit for my 96 chevy suburban in California

  • Harold B

    Hi there anybody knows where I can get a cng kit for my 96 chevy suburban in California

  • Dax

    How long will the low prices last in the state of Utah? If one looks at other states where the price is a little lower than gasoline, it makes you wonder if the short term price will last. What can change the price.

  • Dax

    How long will the low prices last in the state of Utah? If one looks at other states where the price is a little lower than gasoline, it makes you wonder if the short term price will last. What can change the price.

  • Craig Smedley

    Where could I find a kit to convert a truck (Honda Ridgeline) to CNG?

  • Craig Smedley

    Where could I find a kit to convert a truck (Honda Ridgeline) to CNG?

  • redfordrunner

    I found a website that says that the Honda GX gets 24 mpg city and 36 mpg highway with natural gas . . . .

  • redfordrunner

    I found a website that says that the Honda GX gets 24 mpg city and 36 mpg highway with natural gas . . . .

  • Ragnarb

    It’s interesting that there or over 8 M CNG vehicles in the world, and under 200,000 in the US. Let’s get moving. It may be 63 cents now, but between building an infrastructure and new taxes, expect the price to go up.

  • Ragnarb

    It’s interesting that there or over 8 M CNG vehicles in the world, and under 200,000 in the US. Let’s get moving. It may be 63 cents now, but between building an infrastructure and new taxes, expect the price to go up.

  • Joe

    My concern is that natural gas production in the US, currently, barely meets demand. If we push CNG as a fuel, and there is the same rampant price increase due to commodity speculation, then what do we burn in our furnaces for fuel when winter comes? We give so many tax breaks now to oil and gas industries, that it is difficult for any new electric cars or fuelcell cars to get going.

  • Joe

    My concern is that natural gas production in the US, currently, barely meets demand. If we push CNG as a fuel, and there is the same rampant price increase due to commodity speculation, then what do we burn in our furnaces for fuel when winter comes? We give so many tax breaks now to oil and gas industries, that it is difficult for any new electric cars or fuelcell cars to get going.

  • Ralph Rhineau

    redfordrunner was curious about MPGs of Civic GX…

    I bought a 1999 GX in 2001/2002 and have driven it for the past seven years or so in and around metro Los Angeles.

    Here’s what I’ve observed…

    Operating Conditions MPGGE*

    50:50 Surface/Freeway 23-27

    (35 mph/ 60 mph – open road)

    ( /15-25 mph – gridlock )

    Mostly Freeway (60-70 mph) 32-36

    Interstate Hypermiling, CA -> AZ (55 mph) 52

    (Slowwwww acceleration,

    level road – cruise control

    up hill – engine in low end of top gear

    down hill – engine in neutral

    windows up, no AC)

    Interstate Hypermiling, AZ-> CA (60 mph) 52**

    (Same operating conditions as above)

    The reason I decided to hyper-mile between Indio, CA and Phoenix, AZ is wanted to have a car when I was taking a three week short course at ASU in Tempe.

    Turns out that there’s only one CNG pump in the 240 miles between Indio and Phoenix. It’s on the CA-AZ border in Blythe, CA and owned by Riverside County who keeps it fenced off from the public.

    Using my historical average highway gas milage (34 MPGGE) and the maximum fuel volume I’ve ever pumped (7.0 gal), I could expect a radius of 238 miles (i.e. a margin of 2 miles). Admittedly, I could realistically expect to see milages near 37 MPGGE which would deliver a radius of 259 miles and a margin of 21 miles. Having run out of gas twice trying to reach the CNG station and easily wandered 15 miles searching for a station that was supposed to be “right here” according to my trusty CNG Station “Atlas”, I wanted more margin for error/bad luck. After reserching the “Internets”, I settled on a speed of 55 mph to balance the increase in travel time (3.5 h v 5.5 h), the increased risk of traveling significantly slower than the rest of traffic on the highway (I did turn on my flashers) against the improvement in gas milage.

    As you can see from the data above, I boosted my best ever MPGGE by 40% from 37 MPGGE to 52 MPGGE. While everyone likes to poo-poo Jimmy Carter, it’s true that reducing the speed to 55-60 mpg does make a big difference if one is willing to take a little longer in making the trip.

    - Ralph Rhineau

    * MPGGE = Miles Per Gasoline Gallon Equivalent

    ** Reason(s)why MPGGE at 60 mph was same as

    when driving at 55 mph is likely due to the

    fact that one climbs 1,100-1,200 ft when

    traveling East and one descends the same

    amount when traveling West. Also, I had a

    20-25 mph tailwind traveling East and a

    10-15 mph cross wind when I traveled West.

    • http://Web Harry fuller

      I have driven a full sized crown vic (P-71) from n Phx to Indio no less than 10 times(10 different CV’S)and still had almost 1/4 tank left.all vehicles took 8.57 gal (except 1 which took 9 gal) I used the air (a must for summer here) and kept it between 60-65mph

  • Ralph Rhineau

    redfordrunner was curious about MPGs of Civic GX…

    I bought a 1999 GX in 2001/2002 and have driven it for the past seven years or so in and around metro Los Angeles.

    Here’s what I’ve observed…

    Operating Conditions MPGGE*

    50:50 Surface/Freeway 23-27

    (35 mph/ 60 mph – open road)

    ( /15-25 mph – gridlock )

    Mostly Freeway (60-70 mph) 32-36

    Interstate Hypermiling, CA -> AZ (55 mph) 52

    (Slowwwww acceleration,

    level road – cruise control

    up hill – engine in low end of top gear

    down hill – engine in neutral

    windows up, no AC)

    Interstate Hypermiling, AZ-> CA (60 mph) 52**

    (Same operating conditions as above)

    The reason I decided to hyper-mile between Indio, CA and Phoenix, AZ is wanted to have a car when I was taking a three week short course at ASU in Tempe.

    Turns out that there’s only one CNG pump in the 240 miles between Indio and Phoenix. It’s on the CA-AZ border in Blythe, CA and owned by Riverside County who keeps it fenced off from the public.

    Using my historical average highway gas milage (34 MPGGE) and the maximum fuel volume I’ve ever pumped (7.0 gal), I could expect a radius of 238 miles (i.e. a margin of 2 miles). Admittedly, I could realistically expect to see milages near 37 MPGGE which would deliver a radius of 259 miles and a margin of 21 miles. Having run out of gas twice trying to reach the CNG station and easily wandered 15 miles searching for a station that was supposed to be “right here” according to my trusty CNG Station “Atlas”, I wanted more margin for error/bad luck. After reserching the “Internets”, I settled on a speed of 55 mph to balance the increase in travel time (3.5 h v 5.5 h), the increased risk of traveling significantly slower than the rest of traffic on the highway (I did turn on my flashers) against the improvement in gas milage.

    As you can see from the data above, I boosted my best ever MPGGE by 40% from 37 MPGGE to 52 MPGGE. While everyone likes to poo-poo Jimmy Carter, it’s true that reducing the speed to 55-60 mpg does make a big difference if one is willing to take a little longer in making the trip.

    - Ralph Rhineau

    * MPGGE = Miles Per Gasoline Gallon Equivalent

    ** Reason(s)why MPGGE at 60 mph was same as

    when driving at 55 mph is likely due to the

    fact that one climbs 1,100-1,200 ft when

    traveling East and one descends the same

    amount when traveling West. Also, I had a

    20-25 mph tailwind traveling East and a

    10-15 mph cross wind when I traveled West.

  • TJ

    Hello Canada

    Check out honda.com to see if they can get one near you.

  • TJ

    Hello Canada

    Check out honda.com to see if they can get one near you.

  • http://n/a Ron Quick

    Are there larger Trucks available (1 ton) stake bed type suitable for construction?

  • oyenike osiapem

    how much millage do you get on the honda gx? when will it be available in Georgia? how much does the honda gx cost? How many models does it come in?

  • oyenike osiapem

    how much millage do you get on the honda gx? when will it be available in Georgia? how much does the honda gx cost? How many models does it come in?

  • Donald Bly

    I’d like to know if there is such a thing as a cng/gasoline hybrid… One that will run on gas or cng or if conversion kits are capable of multifuel use.

  • Donald Bly

    I’d like to know if there is such a thing as a cng/gasoline hybrid… One that will run on gas or cng or if conversion kits are capable of multifuel use.

  • Earl Sorg

    would like to know where we could buy natural gas tanks. i work for Baker Equipment in pottstown,pa. we are going to convert vehicles to natural. looking for fuel tanks for shop use to fuel vehicle after conversion is done.

    Earl

  • Earl Sorg

    would like to know where we could buy natural gas tanks. i work for Baker Equipment in pottstown,pa. we are going to convert vehicles to natural. looking for fuel tanks for shop use to fuel vehicle after conversion is done.

    Earl

  • Alex Walker

    You don’t have to wait in line for a Honda. You can convert your car over to CNG. Italy and Argentina have been doing it for decades and have the technology to back it up. (Italy is motivated, since Europe pays WAY more for gas than the US). I know of a couple companies that have kits from both of these countries -> cngoutfitters.com and technocarb. I suppose there are others, but haven’t found anything much more (except maybe in india, but that get’s a little harry).

    Granted, gas prices are going down right now, but that’s just temporary. When China and India start ramping up their economies, and when Europe pulls out of their recession, the problem will be much worse. Get in now, and be sorry later . .. .

  • Alex Walker

    You don’t have to wait in line for a Honda. You can convert your car over to CNG. Italy and Argentina have been doing it for decades and have the technology to back it up. (Italy is motivated, since Europe pays WAY more for gas than the US). I know of a couple companies that have kits from both of these countries -> cngoutfitters.com and technocarb. I suppose there are others, but haven’t found anything much more (except maybe in india, but that get’s a little harry).

    Granted, gas prices are going down right now, but that’s just temporary. When China and India start ramping up their economies, and when Europe pulls out of their recession, the problem will be much worse. Get in now, and be sorry later . .. .

  • http://none kevin

    I would like to convert my nissan titan. If anyone knows please email me. Thanks

  • Rob

    I am new to this concept, can it apply tc a TAHOE sized vehicle and if so where would I find one.

    Thank you for you’re time

  • Rob

    I am new to this concept, can it apply tc a TAHOE sized vehicle and if so where would I find one.

    Thank you for you’re time

  • Rob

    I am new to this concept, can it apply tc a TAHOE sized vehicle and if so where would I find one.

    Thank you for you’re time

  • Clarence Zeise

    I’m concerned about the general public handling natural gas. Gasoline is very flammable, true, but NG is in a sense, explosive.

    Gasoline in not under pressure (or very low pressure in a temperature build-up) The NG is pressurized. Any small leaks could be a big problem, especially in an enclosed home garage, overnight.

    What think thee??

  • Clarence Zeise

    I’m concerned about the general public handling natural gas. Gasoline is very flammable, true, but NG is in a sense, explosive.

    Gasoline in not under pressure (or very low pressure in a temperature build-up) The NG is pressurized. Any small leaks could be a big problem, especially in an enclosed home garage, overnight.

    What think thee??

  • Just Watching

    I added a tri fuel ( C.N.G./L.P./ Gasoline)conversion to my new 1974 F250. By 1982 the regulations and extra fees made me take it all off. It remains in my barn to this day so don’t get to excited about other fuels untill we get rid of extra fees and B.S.

    It worked very well with no loos of power and I could pull my 40 ft. travel trailer at interstate HWY speeds.(75+mph)

  • Just Watching

    I added a tri fuel ( C.N.G./L.P./ Gasoline)conversion to my new 1974 F250. By 1982 the regulations and extra fees made me take it all off. It remains in my barn to this day so don’t get to excited about other fuels untill we get rid of extra fees and B.S.

    It worked very well with no loos of power and I could pull my 40 ft. travel trailer at interstate HWY speeds.(75+mph)

  • Just Watching

    I added a tri fuel ( C.N.G./L.P./ Gasoline)conversion to my new 1974 F250. By 1982 the regulations and extra fees made me take it all off. It remains in my barn to this day so don’t get to excited about other fuels untill we get rid of extra fees and B.S.

    It worked very well with no loos of power and I could pull my 40 ft. travel trailer at interstate HWY speeds.(75+mph)

  • http://comcast wally adams

    CNG IS the short term answer-but has anyone looked at what the law is to convert from gasoline to CNG ?? Pages and pages and pages-ALMOST as tho the govenment (big oil) would want to put up any roadblock possible

  • blazen

    Why just in utah its 0.63 cents a gallon thats a rip off for people who live in washington state :( its 2.99 a gallon

  • blazen

    Why just in utah its 0.63 cents a gallon thats a rip off for people who live in washington state :( its 2.99 a gallon

  • blazen

    Why just in utah its 0.63 cents a gallon thats a rip off for people who live in washington state :( its 2.99 a gallon

  • i tucci

    Unfortunately great for terrorists…!

  • i tucci

    Unfortunately great for terrorists…!

  • http://www.8177194414.com Beverly Kurtin

    For me, saving money on energy was simple. I parked my van and started using the phone asking people to visit my web sites.

  • http://www.8177194414.com Beverly Kurtin

    For me, saving money on energy was simple. I parked my van and started using the phone asking people to visit my web sites.

  • http://www.8177194414.com Beverly Kurtin

    For me, saving money on energy was simple. I parked my van and started using the phone asking people to visit my web sites.

  • http://None Craig Folkestad

    I am looking for a converstion kit for a 6.0L Chev Suburban and tank can someone help me with a decent supplier.

    Thanks

    Craig

  • BOB ZIMNY

    do you need a conversion kit to convert a car over to natural gas. will the mileage be similar.

  • BOB ZIMNY

    do you need a conversion kit to convert a car over to natural gas. will the mileage be similar.

  • J Lausche

    Where does someone buy stock in CNG?

  • J Lausche

    Where does someone buy stock in CNG?

  • Richard

    Cars in Brazil have been using CNG for years. Only problem is they must be dual fuel because of low octane rating. They manually switch between CNG and alcohol/gasoline when power requirements are high like going up a hill. My brother in law in Brazil has one that I’ve ridden in.

  • Richard

    Cars in Brazil have been using CNG for years. Only problem is they must be dual fuel because of low octane rating. They manually switch between CNG and alcohol/gasoline when power requirements are high like going up a hill. My brother in law in Brazil has one that I’ve ridden in.

  • Richard

    Cars in Brazil have been using CNG for years. Only problem is they must be dual fuel because of low octane rating. They manually switch between CNG and alcohol/gasoline when power requirements are high like going up a hill. My brother in law in Brazil has one that I’ve ridden in.

  • http://msn.com Brad Fowle

    I want to know what I can do to help push Natural gas cars in Michigan.

    I want to promote energy independence!

  • http://msn.com Brad Fowle

    I want to know what I can do to help push Natural gas cars in Michigan.

    I want to promote energy independence!

  • Los verdes

    Esos son los carros fregones

  • Los verdes

    Esos son los carros fregones

  • Los verdes

    Esos son los carros fregones

  • Bud Baker

    Does the Commonwealth of Virginia have CNG available somewhere?

    Thanks

  • Bud Baker

    Does the Commonwealth of Virginia have CNG available somewhere?

    Thanks

  • Bud Baker

    Does the Commonwealth of Virginia have CNG available somewhere?

    Thanks

  • http://Swansea,IL RonaldW. Miller

    I am intrigued by the CNG concept. I recently sold my SUV at a loss because of gas costs and low mileage per

    gallon. I can understand the reluctance of oil companies to push for nationwide usage, but would’nt it be wonderful to end our dependence on foriegn oil from countries who despise us and our form of government. I would buy a conversion kit today if I knew where to go, and the price was not outrageous.

    If all the major oil companies would spend a small percentage of their profits to intall a CNG fueling

    pump at every major gas station, the dependence on foriegn oil would come to an quick stop.

  • Joel

    When will one be available in Iowa? … WOW I thought the Jeta Diesel was neat, until I saw this?

    I want one NOW!

    JLH

  • Joel

    When will one be available in Iowa? … WOW I thought the Jeta Diesel was neat, until I saw this?

    I want one NOW!

    JLH

  • Somebody

    I’m getting a NGV for my birthday.

  • Somebody

    I’m getting a NGV for my birthday.

  • Somebody

    I’m getting a NGV for my birthday.

  • zare balass

    I would like to know name and e mail of manufacturers of CNG Cylinders, and filling stations also incentives provided by government

  • zare balass

    I would like to know name and e mail of manufacturers of CNG Cylinders, and filling stations also incentives provided by government

  • http://aftermarketcng.com/208/independent-producers-in-usa-announce-new-association-to-promote-natural-gas AfterMarketCNG

    It is true. There are so many benefits of natural gas. Even with the costs of converting a gasoline car to natural gas you can make your money back in a very reasonable amount of time. Their emissions are much lower than gasoline too.

    http://www.aftermarketcng.com

  • http://aftermarketcng.com/208/independent-producers-in-usa-announce-new-association-to-promote-natural-gas AfterMarketCNG

    It is true. There are so many benefits of natural gas. Even with the costs of converting a gasoline car to natural gas you can make your money back in a very reasonable amount of time. Their emissions are much lower than gasoline too.

    http://www.aftermarketcng.com

  • David

    Check out the natural gas version that NHTSA gives an equivalent of 250 mpg. Unfortunately for Honda, they only sell 1000 of them a year. http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7276,00.html#12_165

  • David

    Check out the natural gas version that NHTSA gives an equivalent of 250 mpg. Unfortunately for Honda, they only sell 1000 of them a year. http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7276,00.html#12_165

  • http://jebmatias@hotmail.com Jose Matias

    I want know wall by the kit the gas natuaral for my car v8, thanks

    • peter

      I dont know but a big lazy engine should be fine – even if they dont get it 100% right

      i hear lpg anyway burns hotter & in the old days, hardened valves helped if u push it – but i doubt thats an issue now

      just be happy w/ new economy & dont push it & will go 4 20yrs am sure

  • Judy

    where can we buy cng pump for at the home filling

    • peter

      google phill

  • Judy

    where can we buy cng pump for at the home filling

  • Herman

    Can one find a natural gas powered car in Israel?

  • Herman

    Can one find a natural gas powered car in Israel?

  • Herman

    Can one find a natural gas powered car in Israel?

  • http://www.jgroupstudios.com James

    I heard that in California a person needs to buy a certificate that costs thousands of dollars to own and operate a CNG vehicle. I assumed this was why CNG vehicles have not sold — because somebody put up this political obstacle to protect their economic interest in petroleum. CNG would be very convenient because Honda has an appliance that would permit every home owner to fuel up in their own garage. Does anyone know why CNG vehicles are not ubiquitous by now?

  • http://www.jgroupstudios.com James

    I heard that in California a person needs to buy a certificate that costs thousands of dollars to own and operate a CNG vehicle. I assumed this was why CNG vehicles have not sold — because somebody put up this political obstacle to protect their economic interest in petroleum. CNG would be very convenient because Honda has an appliance that would permit every home owner to fuel up in their own garage. Does anyone know why CNG vehicles are not ubiquitous by now?

  • http://www.jgroupstudios.com James

    I heard that in California a person needs to buy a certificate that costs thousands of dollars to own and operate a CNG vehicle. I assumed this was why CNG vehicles have not sold — because somebody put up this political obstacle to protect their economic interest in petroleum. CNG would be very convenient because Honda has an appliance that would permit every home owner to fuel up in their own garage. Does anyone know why CNG vehicles are not ubiquitous by now?

    • peter

      well i have heard the epa is among the biggest obstacles – odd – no?

  • http://wafern251@yahoo.com William A. Ferentz

    I am coverting from oil heat to nateral gas and would

    like to know if there is a tax credit or rebate for this change?

  • http://Web Darren

    Although I love my CNG car, I have not been able to find one single place for me to fill it up as a member of the public. Every place I have come across is either private, out of stock or just plain won’t answer the phone. It makes me wish I lived in UT instead of PA.

  • http://NATURALGASCARS EMERY CHRISTOPHER

    i AM INTERESTED IN INFORMATION ON CHANGING MY CAR TO NATURAL GAS, IS THEIR KIT OR A BOOKLET SHOWING THE PARTS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE CHANGE?

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  • peter

    I love cng – but nowhere do i se debate on the basic physics/chemistry here

    am inclined to think dedicated engines may be the go

    compression ratios to suit the fuel especially

    just asking – but didnt cars have way bigger ratios under leaded petrol 0 added to stop pre-ignition

    am guessing lpg & cng have hi octane ratings & have no such problem

    am v skeptical of multi fuel vehicles efficacy

    an advantage was portrayed as a blemish as i recall

    transport

    usa is a lattice of ng pipe lines

    they can service trunk freeways w/o a single road tanker

  • peter

    ok – this sounds whacko – but whacko solutions are required w/ whacko govts

    no filling stations for some & a govt that wont stump up a pittance in seef money

    a smart phone app – a guy w/ a phill nearby

    u have an adaptor hose that lets u rob half his tank on his civic or whatever & have the phill going full hammer for ten minutes & u pay him well & on u way

    if the guy has an suv w/ a big tank, bobs u uncle – u have a filling station

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