Safe Hydrogen Fuel System Ready for Market and Your Car!

 

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Put six-gallons of water in your fuel tank and drive anywhere you wish. The only thing you’ll need to replace, is a bit more water.

Last May, I wrote about Jim Hunt, a student at Carl Sandburg College in Galesburg, Illinois concerning his plasmatic induction system that turns water into hydrogen gas to fuel your vehicle.

Today, the system works, and Jim is looking for a company to manufacture and market his invention. His patent is secure, the system is proven and now ready to produce.





The YouTube video above shows Jim and his crew burning a hole in a stainless steel bowl with the hydrogen gas produced by his system.

His workshop is located on four acres of property in Monmouth, Illinois, and Jim says he’s been running cars and an old fire engine around the property using hydrogen produced by his invention. He also runs a 16 KW diesel engine generator with the system.

I interviewed Jim on Planetsave, where he talks about his invention and its future.

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About the Author

My home state is Illinois, and my hometown a little railroad/farming community named Galesburg.We lived on a small farm during my high school years and I became very aware of nature and it’s wonders. I loved the out of doors, working with animals, plowing fields and harvesting crops. Those were very good years.After a stint in the Army during the Korean war my broadcasting career took off at the local radio station, a 250 watt “teapot” as it was called in those days. My first job was as an engineer, then the ham came out and I became an announcer/newsman, graduating after several years to a larger market and a stint as a TV journalist/photographer. Cold, wet weather led me to the southwest where I’ve lived for most of the last 40 years, with a couple of years out to have fun working as a private investigator in San Francisco, and a few years working in Las Vegas hotels and casinos. In all, its been a real ride.After retiring a few years back I became fascinated with the efforts being made to find alternative energy sources. I’ve watched our environment deteriorate during my lifetime, and now it’s my chance to join the chorus of intelligent and caring individuals making a difference one day at a time.

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  • marcel

    This is all very nice, but the inventor was never asked about how much energy is required to generate the plasma to separate the hydrogen in the first place. There is no explanation about how much energy has to go into the plasma conversion versus how much comes out.

    The water car inventors who attach a jar of water to their cars with some electrodes in it claim they get better fuel mileage, but they always forget that the energy required to separate the hydrogen (from the car’s battery) is more than what is returned by burning the hydrogen.

    The law of conservation of energy still holds.

    So in this case, do the vehicles running on this hydrogen generator have to have large electric batteries installed on them to generate the plasma? What’s the energy efficiency rate? Wikipedia puts high temp electrolysis at 40-60%, and since internal combustion engines are already inefficient compared to electric ones, that would put this system somewhere in the neighbourhood of 25% efficiency. (or less)

    Therefore, pure electric cars would still be better.

    The only benefit I can see is that it could enable people to convert gas engines to electric power in a simpler manner and perhaps cheaper than replacing the engine and controllers.

  • marcel

    This is all very nice, but the inventor was never asked about how much energy is required to generate the plasma to separate the hydrogen in the first place. There is no explanation about how much energy has to go into the plasma conversion versus how much comes out.

    The water car inventors who attach a jar of water to their cars with some electrodes in it claim they get better fuel mileage, but they always forget that the energy required to separate the hydrogen (from the car’s battery) is more than what is returned by burning the hydrogen.

    The law of conservation of energy still holds.

    So in this case, do the vehicles running on this hydrogen generator have to have large electric batteries installed on them to generate the plasma? What’s the energy efficiency rate? Wikipedia puts high temp electrolysis at 40-60%, and since internal combustion engines are already inefficient compared to electric ones, that would put this system somewhere in the neighbourhood of 25% efficiency. (or less)

    Therefore, pure electric cars would still be better.

    The only benefit I can see is that it could enable people to convert gas engines to electric power in a simpler manner and perhaps cheaper than replacing the engine and controllers.

  • causeiambetta

    as a very big fan of this blog, i think posting this on ‘plasmatic induction’ is very controversial and not nearly as well researched as what’s reported normally.

    Yes, the inventor has employees and college backing and even a patent but the fact of the matter is, the process takes energy.

    Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. had come up with similar ideas. They marketed themselves as having technology that can make a “car can run exclusively on water” and “can go 100 miles on just 4 ounces of water” It just wasn’t true. Physics won’t allow it, as it takes more energy to convert water to hydrogen, than the power it can deliver once consumed. However, HTAI’s systems can increase gasoline fuel mileage with the delivery of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses being delivered to the intake manifold.

    in csc inventors club own blog the inventor makes the statement ‘My invention overcomes the inefficiency of stored, dangerous fuels that damage the environment’

    I bet their patent has to do more about making something in the process more efficient, not a revolutionary new process make Hydrogen to power vehicles.

    Its the wonder of their claims that makes them sound very much like a hoax.

    it would do this blog good to keep out perpetual motion or ‘free energy’ posts

  • causeiambetta

    as a very big fan of this blog, i think posting this on ‘plasmatic induction’ is very controversial and not nearly as well researched as what’s reported normally.

    Yes, the inventor has employees and college backing and even a patent but the fact of the matter is, the process takes energy.

    Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. had come up with similar ideas. They marketed themselves as having technology that can make a “car can run exclusively on water” and “can go 100 miles on just 4 ounces of water” It just wasn’t true. Physics won’t allow it, as it takes more energy to convert water to hydrogen, than the power it can deliver once consumed. However, HTAI’s systems can increase gasoline fuel mileage with the delivery of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses being delivered to the intake manifold.

    in csc inventors club own blog the inventor makes the statement ‘My invention overcomes the inefficiency of stored, dangerous fuels that damage the environment’

    I bet their patent has to do more about making something in the process more efficient, not a revolutionary new process make Hydrogen to power vehicles.

    Its the wonder of their claims that makes them sound very much like a hoax.

    it would do this blog good to keep out perpetual motion or ‘free energy’ posts

  • I wish It was able to hit the market $4.00gl for gas is what i payed yesterday I’m working to come to work this is nuts we need to come up with sum thing asap

  • I wish It was able to hit the market $4.00gl for gas is what i payed yesterday I’m working to come to work this is nuts we need to come up with sum thing asap

  • The sad fact is that the world government’s are going to take a long time to step away from gas/petrol/etc. Still, good to see strides being made. This is where Big Business has to step up and take the bit between their teeth, and push it forward

  • The sad fact is that the world government’s are going to take a long time to step away from gas/petrol/etc. Still, good to see strides being made. This is where Big Business has to step up and take the bit between their teeth, and push it forward

  • The sad fact is that the world government’s are going to take a long time to step away from gas/petrol/etc. Still, good to see strides being made. This is where Big Business has to step up and take the bit between their teeth, and push it forward

  • Addison

    This new energy -H20 converted to HHO- need to be compared with the other inventors: byron, stan meyers, and paul pantone. these new conversions are not high temp electrolysis. it is interesting that the economic powers are unsupportive but interested.

  • Addison

    This new energy -H20 converted to HHO- need to be compared with the other inventors: byron, stan meyers, and paul pantone. these new conversions are not high temp electrolysis. it is interesting that the economic powers are unsupportive but interested.

  • Addison

    This new energy -H20 converted to HHO- need to be compared with the other inventors: byron, stan meyers, and paul pantone. these new conversions are not high temp electrolysis. it is interesting that the economic powers are unsupportive but interested.

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  • I think this may or may not work depending on how alternators work (which I’m unsure about). The alternator in your car charges your car’s battery. If it is always charging the battery, even when the battery is full then that is wasted energy. If that is the case then using some extra energy from your car battery to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen isn’t going to really be a drain on your energy, it’s just using the existing energy more efficiently.

    I suspect that most cars, especially older cars, work like this; having the alternator constantly charging the car battery.

    However if the alternator only charges the car battery when it needs to be charged, then this would be a net loss in efficiency because it takes more energy to separate water into its component gases than you will get back when you burn them.

  • I think this may or may not work depending on how alternators work (which I’m unsure about). The alternator in your car charges your car’s battery. If it is always charging the battery, even when the battery is full then that is wasted energy. If that is the case then using some extra energy from your car battery to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen isn’t going to really be a drain on your energy, it’s just using the existing energy more efficiently.

    I suspect that most cars, especially older cars, work like this; having the alternator constantly charging the car battery.

    However if the alternator only charges the car battery when it needs to be charged, then this would be a net loss in efficiency because it takes more energy to separate water into its component gases than you will get back when you burn them.

  • TC

    I just want to know if it will work in a 94 olds cutlass supreme? As he mentioned above……gas is getting way too out of hand for me to squeeze every nickle I have just to get to work!

  • TC

    I just want to know if it will work in a 94 olds cutlass supreme? As he mentioned above……gas is getting way too out of hand for me to squeeze every nickle I have just to get to work!

  • TC

    I just want to know if it will work in a 94 olds cutlass supreme? As he mentioned above……gas is getting way too out of hand for me to squeeze every nickle I have just to get to work!

  • RB8720

    I have seen some people claim that it wont work because the Alternators would require more energy to produce the Hydrogen thus lowering your gas mpg. The problem with that theory is that the alternator is always turning so energy is being wasted regardless. If not electrical energy wasted it is mechanical energy wasted so there would be not addition strain on your engin. So in theory it should work. It may require some engine adjustments to keep the sensors for over compensating but that should be fairly easy.

  • RB8720

    I have seen some people claim that it wont work because the Alternators would require more energy to produce the Hydrogen thus lowering your gas mpg. The problem with that theory is that the alternator is always turning so energy is being wasted regardless. If not electrical energy wasted it is mechanical energy wasted so there would be not addition strain on your engin. So in theory it should work. It may require some engine adjustments to keep the sensors for over compensating but that should be fairly easy.

  • RB8720

    I have seen some people claim that it wont work because the Alternators would require more energy to produce the Hydrogen thus lowering your gas mpg. The problem with that theory is that the alternator is always turning so energy is being wasted regardless. If not electrical energy wasted it is mechanical energy wasted so there would be not addition strain on your engin. So in theory it should work. It may require some engine adjustments to keep the sensors for over compensating but that should be fairly easy.

  • Roger Johnson

    The argument against these devices is the quantity of electricity required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is more than can be got out of the system. This is wrong. Pulsing the electricity at certain frequencies splits the water much more easily, and thus makes it entirely possible for a water powered car to be achieved. Big Oil is however desperate to stop this knowledge becoming widely known.

  • Roger Johnson

    The argument against these devices is the quantity of electricity required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is more than can be got out of the system. This is wrong. Pulsing the electricity at certain frequencies splits the water much more easily, and thus makes it entirely possible for a water powered car to be achieved. Big Oil is however desperate to stop this knowledge becoming widely known.

  • Roger Johnson

    The argument against these devices is the quantity of electricity required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is more than can be got out of the system. This is wrong. Pulsing the electricity at certain frequencies splits the water much more easily, and thus makes it entirely possible for a water powered car to be achieved. Big Oil is however desperate to stop this knowledge becoming widely known.

  • Ruckas

    What’s funny to me…those who say “it takes more power to get power out of the water than you get from it”…

    In an car that’s not quite true in 1 sense (I think they’re right, EXCEPT)…

    What matters on a car is the FORM of the energy. The gas is burned and gone but it creates electricity…excess electricity. If you can use that power to REDUCE the amount of gas used and still produce the same amount of electricity, you have a net gain of gas, and a loss of water.

    Sounds like a good trade for me. If these systems work then they should be installed in ALL of the infrastructure systems by law (garbage, police, fire, etc.). This would at the least reduce critical infrastructure consumption AND dependence upon oil / oil price.

  • Ruckas

    What’s funny to me…those who say “it takes more power to get power out of the water than you get from it”…

    In an car that’s not quite true in 1 sense (I think they’re right, EXCEPT)…

    What matters on a car is the FORM of the energy. The gas is burned and gone but it creates electricity…excess electricity. If you can use that power to REDUCE the amount of gas used and still produce the same amount of electricity, you have a net gain of gas, and a loss of water.

    Sounds like a good trade for me. If these systems work then they should be installed in ALL of the infrastructure systems by law (garbage, police, fire, etc.). This would at the least reduce critical infrastructure consumption AND dependence upon oil / oil price.

  • Ruckas

    What’s funny to me…those who say “it takes more power to get power out of the water than you get from it”…

    In an car that’s not quite true in 1 sense (I think they’re right, EXCEPT)…

    What matters on a car is the FORM of the energy. The gas is burned and gone but it creates electricity…excess electricity. If you can use that power to REDUCE the amount of gas used and still produce the same amount of electricity, you have a net gain of gas, and a loss of water.

    Sounds like a good trade for me. If these systems work then they should be installed in ALL of the infrastructure systems by law (garbage, police, fire, etc.). This would at the least reduce critical infrastructure consumption AND dependence upon oil / oil price.

  • Justin

    It is unfortunate that more people haven’t had the experience of turning by hand a generator hooked up to a load (i.e. a light bulb) and then disconnecting the load (unscrew the light bulb). I was in high school physics when the physics teacher brought out a model. I was convinced when I was 10 that perpetual motion machines were possible. Others with more education/experience quoted the three laws of thermodynamics or other such “high-fultening sounding nonsense” to me until I believed them in theory but not in practice. When I cranked the generator it took real work! Take away the load and it took no work! It was at that moment that I understood, just because your using another form of energy (electricity in this case) doesn’t mean you can be creative and get around the three laws of thermodynamics! That said it doesn’t mean that there are not truly remarkable ways of generating energy. Take fission as an example, tremendous amounts of energy are store in un-split uranium atoms. Provide the means to split them with conveniently produced neutrons from the fission process and you get vast amounts of energy. Or nuclear fusion, a deuterium nuclei and tritium nuclei collided with enough energy to overcome the positive electric charges of their protons produce 14 mega-electron-Volts worth of energy (a room temperature photon is ~1/40 electron-Volts), a difference of eight orders of magnitude. I think we need to keep looking, because nature has not divulged all her really fantastic secrets to us, so far we found the obvious ones!

  • Justin

    It is unfortunate that more people haven’t had the experience of turning by hand a generator hooked up to a load (i.e. a light bulb) and then disconnecting the load (unscrew the light bulb). I was in high school physics when the physics teacher brought out a model. I was convinced when I was 10 that perpetual motion machines were possible. Others with more education/experience quoted the three laws of thermodynamics or other such “high-fultening sounding nonsense” to me until I believed them in theory but not in practice. When I cranked the generator it took real work! Take away the load and it took no work! It was at that moment that I understood, just because your using another form of energy (electricity in this case) doesn’t mean you can be creative and get around the three laws of thermodynamics! That said it doesn’t mean that there are not truly remarkable ways of generating energy. Take fission as an example, tremendous amounts of energy are store in un-split uranium atoms. Provide the means to split them with conveniently produced neutrons from the fission process and you get vast amounts of energy. Or nuclear fusion, a deuterium nuclei and tritium nuclei collided with enough energy to overcome the positive electric charges of their protons produce 14 mega-electron-Volts worth of energy (a room temperature photon is ~1/40 electron-Volts), a difference of eight orders of magnitude. I think we need to keep looking, because nature has not divulged all her really fantastic secrets to us, so far we found the obvious ones!

  • Justin

    It is unfortunate that more people haven’t had the experience of turning by hand a generator hooked up to a load (i.e. a light bulb) and then disconnecting the load (unscrew the light bulb). I was in high school physics when the physics teacher brought out a model. I was convinced when I was 10 that perpetual motion machines were possible. Others with more education/experience quoted the three laws of thermodynamics or other such “high-fultening sounding nonsense” to me until I believed them in theory but not in practice. When I cranked the generator it took real work! Take away the load and it took no work! It was at that moment that I understood, just because your using another form of energy (electricity in this case) doesn’t mean you can be creative and get around the three laws of thermodynamics! That said it doesn’t mean that there are not truly remarkable ways of generating energy. Take fission as an example, tremendous amounts of energy are store in un-split uranium atoms. Provide the means to split them with conveniently produced neutrons from the fission process and you get vast amounts of energy. Or nuclear fusion, a deuterium nuclei and tritium nuclei collided with enough energy to overcome the positive electric charges of their protons produce 14 mega-electron-Volts worth of energy (a room temperature photon is ~1/40 electron-Volts), a difference of eight orders of magnitude. I think we need to keep looking, because nature has not divulged all her really fantastic secrets to us, so far we found the obvious ones!

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  • Jim

    I know nothing about the technical problems of hydrogen based fuels or any other fuels for that matter. What I do know is this ( in agreement with Brandon) the U.S. government or any other government that takes in so much money from the taxes on gasoline will never support any fuel conversion. Because of this reason, any technology that doesn’t include the use of oil as an energy source will be along time coming. Too many people are making money from $130 per barrel oil.

  • Jim

    I know nothing about the technical problems of hydrogen based fuels or any other fuels for that matter. What I do know is this ( in agreement with Brandon) the U.S. government or any other government that takes in so much money from the taxes on gasoline will never support any fuel conversion. Because of this reason, any technology that doesn’t include the use of oil as an energy source will be along time coming. Too many people are making money from $130 per barrel oil.

  • terry

    can u send me info numbers for compleate kit for hydrigen not just a book my e-mail is above

  • terry

    can u send me info numbers for compleate kit for hydrigen not just a book my e-mail is above

  • terry

    can u send me info numbers for compleate kit for hydrigen not just a book my e-mail is above

  • Fjoe

    From my understanding the system not only burns the hydrogen but also increases the efficiency of the gas burned. This is why people still see mpg increases even though they are using the alternator, which is always going anyway.

  • Fjoe

    From my understanding the system not only burns the hydrogen but also increases the efficiency of the gas burned. This is why people still see mpg increases even though they are using the alternator, which is always going anyway.

  • onetimemech

    I was an auto technician for 10yrs but got a better paying job. When I saw the claims for the hydrogen generator I became very interested. In theory it sounds very possible. But I have listened to both sides of the argument. An alternator doesn’t charge the battery all the time. It has something called a voltage regulator that turns the alternator on “so to speak” which causes a load on the engine. When the alternator “kicks on” you can see, feel and hear the engine power drop, it is that noticeable. The cars computer compensates by bringing up the engine idle, in other words “dumping more fuel into the engine”. So my only doubt about fuel generators is “Will the increase in power from adding a small amount of hydrogen to the fuel be worth the loss in power from running the alternator”. I doubt it, but I would like to test it. I just wish I could do it without wasting my MONEY!

  • onetimemech

    I was an auto technician for 10yrs but got a better paying job. When I saw the claims for the hydrogen generator I became very interested. In theory it sounds very possible. But I have listened to both sides of the argument. An alternator doesn’t charge the battery all the time. It has something called a voltage regulator that turns the alternator on “so to speak” which causes a load on the engine. When the alternator “kicks on” you can see, feel and hear the engine power drop, it is that noticeable. The cars computer compensates by bringing up the engine idle, in other words “dumping more fuel into the engine”. So my only doubt about fuel generators is “Will the increase in power from adding a small amount of hydrogen to the fuel be worth the loss in power from running the alternator”. I doubt it, but I would like to test it. I just wish I could do it without wasting my MONEY!

  • onetimemech

    I was an auto technician for 10yrs but got a better paying job. When I saw the claims for the hydrogen generator I became very interested. In theory it sounds very possible. But I have listened to both sides of the argument. An alternator doesn’t charge the battery all the time. It has something called a voltage regulator that turns the alternator on “so to speak” which causes a load on the engine. When the alternator “kicks on” you can see, feel and hear the engine power drop, it is that noticeable. The cars computer compensates by bringing up the engine idle, in other words “dumping more fuel into the engine”. So my only doubt about fuel generators is “Will the increase in power from adding a small amount of hydrogen to the fuel be worth the loss in power from running the alternator”. I doubt it, but I would like to test it. I just wish I could do it without wasting my MONEY!

  • C hris Handserson

    Marcel you right on on the 25% plus efficient rating. My budy saw this on Disc last night and the hydrogen kit claimed fuel mileage increases from 24 MPG to 50. After they tested it, it only got 41. My uncle has one of these and he only gained 15 mpg from 17 – 32. So his V-8 F-150 gets the same MPG as the Toyota Camry. They still have not been able to reliably run on “free fuel”.

    There are a few claiming it but I have to see to believe. I am thinking a roof solar panel tied into a deep cycle battery might help off set the energy usage enough to run on free fuel. Or just plug a few deep cycles into a battery charger every night. It appears it takes only 15-20 amps to produce a considerable volume of hydrogen. Most alternators can handle that without added fuel consumption.

  • C hris Handserson

    Marcel you right on on the 25% plus efficient rating. My budy saw this on Disc last night and the hydrogen kit claimed fuel mileage increases from 24 MPG to 50. After they tested it, it only got 41. My uncle has one of these and he only gained 15 mpg from 17 – 32. So his V-8 F-150 gets the same MPG as the Toyota Camry. They still have not been able to reliably run on “free fuel”.

    There are a few claiming it but I have to see to believe. I am thinking a roof solar panel tied into a deep cycle battery might help off set the energy usage enough to run on free fuel. Or just plug a few deep cycles into a battery charger every night. It appears it takes only 15-20 amps to produce a considerable volume of hydrogen. Most alternators can handle that without added fuel consumption.

  • C hris Handserson

    Marcel you right on on the 25% plus efficient rating. My budy saw this on Disc last night and the hydrogen kit claimed fuel mileage increases from 24 MPG to 50. After they tested it, it only got 41. My uncle has one of these and he only gained 15 mpg from 17 – 32. So his V-8 F-150 gets the same MPG as the Toyota Camry. They still have not been able to reliably run on “free fuel”.

    There are a few claiming it but I have to see to believe. I am thinking a roof solar panel tied into a deep cycle battery might help off set the energy usage enough to run on free fuel. Or just plug a few deep cycles into a battery charger every night. It appears it takes only 15-20 amps to produce a considerable volume of hydrogen. Most alternators can handle that without added fuel consumption.

  • Fritz

    If the Battery Is low in charge, the Alternator has more resistance to turning induced by its internal charging circut. As the Battery is getting closer to its fully charged voltage there is less resistance for the alternator to turn and just idles with the motor

  • Fritz

    If the Battery Is low in charge, the Alternator has more resistance to turning induced by its internal charging circut. As the Battery is getting closer to its fully charged voltage there is less resistance for the alternator to turn and just idles with the motor

  • John

    As a young boy I used to fantasize about a vehicle with a large fan on top with reduction gears connected to the wheels. The faster the car goes the more power is generated by the fan and applied to the drive wheels and faster yet it goes.

    Wonderfull invention if the laws of physics did not apply

  • John

    As a young boy I used to fantasize about a vehicle with a large fan on top with reduction gears connected to the wheels. The faster the car goes the more power is generated by the fan and applied to the drive wheels and faster yet it goes.

    Wonderfull invention if the laws of physics did not apply

  • John

    As a young boy I used to fantasize about a vehicle with a large fan on top with reduction gears connected to the wheels. The faster the car goes the more power is generated by the fan and applied to the drive wheels and faster yet it goes.

    Wonderfull invention if the laws of physics did not apply

  • Gordon Wilcox

    How does this system work in the winter time? Here in Michigan temperatures get below freezing often in the winter months. How will that effect water in the gas tank? Do you add anti-freeze? How will that effect the system? Will it work? Anti-freeze is more expensive than gas right now. Please respond.

  • Gordon Wilcox

    How does this system work in the winter time? Here in Michigan temperatures get below freezing often in the winter months. How will that effect water in the gas tank? Do you add anti-freeze? How will that effect the system? Will it work? Anti-freeze is more expensive than gas right now. Please respond.

  • Gordon Wilcox

    How does this system work in the winter time? Here in Michigan temperatures get below freezing often in the winter months. How will that effect water in the gas tank? Do you add anti-freeze? How will that effect the system? Will it work? Anti-freeze is more expensive than gas right now. Please respond.

  • G.

    Hello. The law of conservation of energy does hold. A vehicle alternator is constantly turning and the friction of this does waste energy. The engine would be more efficient without it. Temporarily anyway. The same is true for the water cooling system. Without the pump, pulleys and drive belts, there would be less friction, but alas this is also a temporary state. The crux of the matter is that the alternator produces enough energy to replenish the battery, eg after starting it is a high load. Once recharged, the alternator just trickles a very, very small charge into the battery to keep it topped up. Now, when the alternator is worked hard to recharge a depleted battery, it actually produces a back E.M.F. (electromotive force), this is effectively a back pressure, or resistive force to the drive pulley. This is due to electric theory and the design of alternators/elec motors. This back force is balanced and overcome by the mechanical power of the engine, which has to work harder (eg. revs might dip when alternator is under load) and thus results in higher fuel consumption. Electrical power in a vehicle is not free and the more electrical systems are operated on the vehicle, the higher the fuel consumption.. Producing hydrogen and oxygen from water has been known about for the last century. Unfortunately the molecular bonds between the 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms are very strong(good job really if you consider the world is largely made up of water, including ourselves) and it takes a lot of energy to seperate them. The resulting gases do not return enough energy to compensate or we would effectively have an endless and easy fuel source. I have heard of water powered cars that used a catalyst material in the chemical reaction, which results in a much more efficient bond breaking process. It may be that this possibilty could be the answer, but I have yet to see it with my own eyes. Heres hoping!, Gary..

  • G.

    Hello. The law of conservation of energy does hold. A vehicle alternator is constantly turning and the friction of this does waste energy. The engine would be more efficient without it. Temporarily anyway. The same is true for the water cooling system. Without the pump, pulleys and drive belts, there would be less friction, but alas this is also a temporary state. The crux of the matter is that the alternator produces enough energy to replenish the battery, eg after starting it is a high load. Once recharged, the alternator just trickles a very, very small charge into the battery to keep it topped up. Now, when the alternator is worked hard to recharge a depleted battery, it actually produces a back E.M.F. (electromotive force), this is effectively a back pressure, or resistive force to the drive pulley. This is due to electric theory and the design of alternators/elec motors. This back force is balanced and overcome by the mechanical power of the engine, which has to work harder (eg. revs might dip when alternator is under load) and thus results in higher fuel consumption. Electrical power in a vehicle is not free and the more electrical systems are operated on the vehicle, the higher the fuel consumption.. Producing hydrogen and oxygen from water has been known about for the last century. Unfortunately the molecular bonds between the 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms are very strong(good job really if you consider the world is largely made up of water, including ourselves) and it takes a lot of energy to seperate them. The resulting gases do not return enough energy to compensate or we would effectively have an endless and easy fuel source. I have heard of water powered cars that used a catalyst material in the chemical reaction, which results in a much more efficient bond breaking process. It may be that this possibilty could be the answer, but I have yet to see it with my own eyes. Heres hoping!, Gary..

  • G.

    Hello. The law of conservation of energy does hold. A vehicle alternator is constantly turning and the friction of this does waste energy. The engine would be more efficient without it. Temporarily anyway. The same is true for the water cooling system. Without the pump, pulleys and drive belts, there would be less friction, but alas this is also a temporary state. The crux of the matter is that the alternator produces enough energy to replenish the battery, eg after starting it is a high load. Once recharged, the alternator just trickles a very, very small charge into the battery to keep it topped up. Now, when the alternator is worked hard to recharge a depleted battery, it actually produces a back E.M.F. (electromotive force), this is effectively a back pressure, or resistive force to the drive pulley. This is due to electric theory and the design of alternators/elec motors. This back force is balanced and overcome by the mechanical power of the engine, which has to work harder (eg. revs might dip when alternator is under load) and thus results in higher fuel consumption. Electrical power in a vehicle is not free and the more electrical systems are operated on the vehicle, the higher the fuel consumption.. Producing hydrogen and oxygen from water has been known about for the last century. Unfortunately the molecular bonds between the 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms are very strong(good job really if you consider the world is largely made up of water, including ourselves) and it takes a lot of energy to seperate them. The resulting gases do not return enough energy to compensate or we would effectively have an endless and easy fuel source. I have heard of water powered cars that used a catalyst material in the chemical reaction, which results in a much more efficient bond breaking process. It may be that this possibilty could be the answer, but I have yet to see it with my own eyes. Heres hoping!, Gary..

  • G.

    As an addition to my last ramble.. It is claimed that the hydrogen is used as an induction additive and this then results in a much cleaner and COMPLETE burn of the fuel, gas or diesel. Now in this case it is the same as LPG kits that can be fitted to diesel vehicles. This does result in an improved miles per gallon due to the complete burn of each charge of fuel, effectively then not wasting an amount of fuel as do conventional diesel/gas engines with their very inefficient combustion process. Therefore, yes improved mpg figures are possible, but I would be interested to weigh them up against the losses caused by the increased load on the alternator, to see a true mileage figure. 20 to 30 amps is a lot of electrical power to continueosly pull from the alternator. In the similar case for the lpg additive, then there is no increased load on the alternator, only on your wallet by having to buy the lpg in the first place. Could work out cheaper though!??

    By the way, although lpg (and probably Hydrogen) results in cleaner running vehicles, it is dry fuel and does not adequately lubricate the upper cylinder areas of an engine and an extra lubrication additive is required. Could be an expensive mistake in the mid term if not taken into account. It also burns hotter!! Good luck and remember that a sugar coating can hide some very unpleasant tasteing things!!

    Also, It would seem to me that adding a disclaimer to ones business sales advert, would not remove the burden of responsibility for the recipients safety when purchasing equipment purposely advertised and sold with the intention of D.I.Y construction and fitment, following supplied instructions. This could seriously blow up in someones face!! Especially without any industry standard safety design and features…. Ummmmmm.

  • G.

    As an addition to my last ramble.. It is claimed that the hydrogen is used as an induction additive and this then results in a much cleaner and COMPLETE burn of the fuel, gas or diesel. Now in this case it is the same as LPG kits that can be fitted to diesel vehicles. This does result in an improved miles per gallon due to the complete burn of each charge of fuel, effectively then not wasting an amount of fuel as do conventional diesel/gas engines with their very inefficient combustion process. Therefore, yes improved mpg figures are possible, but I would be interested to weigh them up against the losses caused by the increased load on the alternator, to see a true mileage figure. 20 to 30 amps is a lot of electrical power to continueosly pull from the alternator. In the similar case for the lpg additive, then there is no increased load on the alternator, only on your wallet by having to buy the lpg in the first place. Could work out cheaper though!??

    By the way, although lpg (and probably Hydrogen) results in cleaner running vehicles, it is dry fuel and does not adequately lubricate the upper cylinder areas of an engine and an extra lubrication additive is required. Could be an expensive mistake in the mid term if not taken into account. It also burns hotter!! Good luck and remember that a sugar coating can hide some very unpleasant tasteing things!!

    Also, It would seem to me that adding a disclaimer to ones business sales advert, would not remove the burden of responsibility for the recipients safety when purchasing equipment purposely advertised and sold with the intention of D.I.Y construction and fitment, following supplied instructions. This could seriously blow up in someones face!! Especially without any industry standard safety design and features…. Ummmmmm.

  • G.

    As an addition to my last ramble.. It is claimed that the hydrogen is used as an induction additive and this then results in a much cleaner and COMPLETE burn of the fuel, gas or diesel. Now in this case it is the same as LPG kits that can be fitted to diesel vehicles. This does result in an improved miles per gallon due to the complete burn of each charge of fuel, effectively then not wasting an amount of fuel as do conventional diesel/gas engines with their very inefficient combustion process. Therefore, yes improved mpg figures are possible, but I would be interested to weigh them up against the losses caused by the increased load on the alternator, to see a true mileage figure. 20 to 30 amps is a lot of electrical power to continueosly pull from the alternator. In the similar case for the lpg additive, then there is no increased load on the alternator, only on your wallet by having to buy the lpg in the first place. Could work out cheaper though!??

    By the way, although lpg (and probably Hydrogen) results in cleaner running vehicles, it is dry fuel and does not adequately lubricate the upper cylinder areas of an engine and an extra lubrication additive is required. Could be an expensive mistake in the mid term if not taken into account. It also burns hotter!! Good luck and remember that a sugar coating can hide some very unpleasant tasteing things!!

    Also, It would seem to me that adding a disclaimer to ones business sales advert, would not remove the burden of responsibility for the recipients safety when purchasing equipment purposely advertised and sold with the intention of D.I.Y construction and fitment, following supplied instructions. This could seriously blow up in someones face!! Especially without any industry standard safety design and features…. Ummmmmm.

  • I have been able to obtain this book of instructions.. It seems practicle to me although I am not qualified to state so ,yet..

    The power needed to generate the desired amount in the correct MH, {2 different cycles}is accomplished by building a coil {specifical instructions on how to build including the total # of wraps of a specific size wire}to step up to the desired power needed..

    Is not this what coils do as same as transformers do in our power grids..The high voltage used in our cars today with a coil on each cylender to accomplish this where we use to use one..There is a lot of experimenting going on on this , which will eleminate the need of a fuel cell and replenishing stations everywhere..It is a hybrid so it will still need a fuel such as gas or diesel and will supposedly improve milage by minimum 40%.. We’ll see possibly if when I find all the materials..Some modifications to oxygen sensors and MAPS..Some college students are developing their own computer chip for this purpose after trying to use Fords which had too many variations for this application..

  • mlp

    This type of claim is usually doubted because it violates the First Law of Thermodynamics. However to cheer up these guys we can give them a chance to prove their invention. One test is to run a test car until the water fuel is consumed, then fill this up again with water and see if the test car will still run. Another test is install a meter at the exhaust to check for hydrocarbon residue. If both tests are met then there is some prospect to this invention.

  • mlp

    This type of claim is usually doubted because it violates the First Law of Thermodynamics. However to cheer up these guys we can give them a chance to prove their invention. One test is to run a test car until the water fuel is consumed, then fill this up again with water and see if the test car will still run. Another test is install a meter at the exhaust to check for hydrocarbon residue. If both tests are met then there is some prospect to this invention.

  • mlp

    This type of claim is usually doubted because it violates the First Law of Thermodynamics. However to cheer up these guys we can give them a chance to prove their invention. One test is to run a test car until the water fuel is consumed, then fill this up again with water and see if the test car will still run. Another test is install a meter at the exhaust to check for hydrocarbon residue. If both tests are met then there is some prospect to this invention.

  • What Happens When Hydrogen Burns?

    Hydrogen burns readily in presence of oxygen, releasing considerable energy as heat and producing only water as exhaust.

    When hydrogen burns in air (which is mostly nitrogen), some oxides of nitrogen (NOx, contributors to smog and acid rain) can be formed, but much fewer pollutants are formed than when normal hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline and diesel are burned. Because no carbon is involved, using hydrogen fuel does not contribute to global warming.

    Hydrogen Gas has a higher flashpoint than gasoline. The self-ignition temperature of hydrogen is 550 degrees Celsius. Gasoline varies from 228-501 degrees Celsius, depending on the grade.

    When ignited, hydrogen burns upward, and is quickly consumed. By contrast, materials such as gasoline and diesel vapors remain a flammable threat for much longer.

    Hydrogen is non-toxic. Hydrogen is a non-toxic, naturally-occurring element in the atmosphere. By comparison, all petroleum fuels are asphyxiants, and are poisonous to humans.

    Hydrogen combustion produces only water. When hydrogen is burned in oxygen, only pure water H20 is produced. In any case, when a hydrogen engine burns, it actually cleans the ambient air, by completing combustion of the unburned hydrocarbons that surround us. Compared with the toxic compounds (carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrogen sulfide) produced by petroleum fuels, the products of hydrogen burning are much safer.

    Thousands of cars have been safely converted without any issues or incidents.

  • What Happens When Hydrogen Burns?

    Hydrogen burns readily in presence of oxygen, releasing considerable energy as heat and producing only water as exhaust.

    When hydrogen burns in air (which is mostly nitrogen), some oxides of nitrogen (NOx, contributors to smog and acid rain) can be formed, but much fewer pollutants are formed than when normal hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline and diesel are burned. Because no carbon is involved, using hydrogen fuel does not contribute to global warming.

    Hydrogen Gas has a higher flashpoint than gasoline. The self-ignition temperature of hydrogen is 550 degrees Celsius. Gasoline varies from 228-501 degrees Celsius, depending on the grade.

    When ignited, hydrogen burns upward, and is quickly consumed. By contrast, materials such as gasoline and diesel vapors remain a flammable threat for much longer.

    Hydrogen is non-toxic. Hydrogen is a non-toxic, naturally-occurring element in the atmosphere. By comparison, all petroleum fuels are asphyxiants, and are poisonous to humans.

    Hydrogen combustion produces only water. When hydrogen is burned in oxygen, only pure water H20 is produced. In any case, when a hydrogen engine burns, it actually cleans the ambient air, by completing combustion of the unburned hydrocarbons that surround us. Compared with the toxic compounds (carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrogen sulfide) produced by petroleum fuels, the products of hydrogen burning are much safer.

    Thousands of cars have been safely converted without any issues or incidents.

  • What Happens When Hydrogen Burns?

    Hydrogen burns readily in presence of oxygen, releasing considerable energy as heat and producing only water as exhaust.

    When hydrogen burns in air (which is mostly nitrogen), some oxides of nitrogen (NOx, contributors to smog and acid rain) can be formed, but much fewer pollutants are formed than when normal hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline and diesel are burned. Because no carbon is involved, using hydrogen fuel does not contribute to global warming.

    Hydrogen Gas has a higher flashpoint than gasoline. The self-ignition temperature of hydrogen is 550 degrees Celsius. Gasoline varies from 228-501 degrees Celsius, depending on the grade.

    When ignited, hydrogen burns upward, and is quickly consumed. By contrast, materials such as gasoline and diesel vapors remain a flammable threat for much longer.

    Hydrogen is non-toxic. Hydrogen is a non-toxic, naturally-occurring element in the atmosphere. By comparison, all petroleum fuels are asphyxiants, and are poisonous to humans.

    Hydrogen combustion produces only water. When hydrogen is burned in oxygen, only pure water H20 is produced. In any case, when a hydrogen engine burns, it actually cleans the ambient air, by completing combustion of the unburned hydrocarbons that surround us. Compared with the toxic compounds (carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrogen sulfide) produced by petroleum fuels, the products of hydrogen burning are much safer.

    Thousands of cars have been safely converted without any issues or incidents.

  • Colledge kid

    I agree that hydrogen is a good idea but the way this system and other hho systems work is utter bs. Depending on how you set this up you will either get worse mpg or at the end of the day you will have to charge your battery. As many have said before me: Power has to come from somewhere. even if you could get the same amount of joules when commbining hydrogen with oxygen as was required when seperating them you still end up with a net loss in energy from consuption and resistance ie friction. Simply put you cannot run a car on water. water and the hydrogen within it are only a tool that can be “charged” and later used to power the car. For a better idea check out this webpage http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/. you will notice how they are refusing to ask for money, a good sign that it is not a scam like the hho kits. They are in the finall developement stage and hope to be producing systems in 2010.

  • Colledge kid

    I agree that hydrogen is a good idea but the way this system and other hho systems work is utter bs. Depending on how you set this up you will either get worse mpg or at the end of the day you will have to charge your battery. As many have said before me: Power has to come from somewhere. even if you could get the same amount of joules when commbining hydrogen with oxygen as was required when seperating them you still end up with a net loss in energy from consuption and resistance ie friction. Simply put you cannot run a car on water. water and the hydrogen within it are only a tool that can be “charged” and later used to power the car. For a better idea check out this webpage http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/. you will notice how they are refusing to ask for money, a good sign that it is not a scam like the hho kits. They are in the finall developement stage and hope to be producing systems in 2010.

  • Colledge kid

    I agree that hydrogen is a good idea but the way this system and other hho systems work is utter bs. Depending on how you set this up you will either get worse mpg or at the end of the day you will have to charge your battery. As many have said before me: Power has to come from somewhere. even if you could get the same amount of joules when commbining hydrogen with oxygen as was required when seperating them you still end up with a net loss in energy from consuption and resistance ie friction. Simply put you cannot run a car on water. water and the hydrogen within it are only a tool that can be “charged” and later used to power the car. For a better idea check out this webpage http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/. you will notice how they are refusing to ask for money, a good sign that it is not a scam like the hho kits. They are in the finall developement stage and hope to be producing systems in 2010.

  • esw

    You know why scams keep coming back? They are successful at making money.

    You know why they make money? There are plenty of idiots that think they understand how things work. “Another sucker is born every minute.”

    G. had it right. You can’t just create energy. The alternator on a car turns all the time because it is simpler that way. The torque on the alternator changes depending on the load. An alternator will freely spin without a load. Load one up and you couldn’t budge it without an engine.

    Fuels lubricate the “top” of an engine. Run one dry for a while and you will be buying a new one.

    Don’t mean to sound like a snob but unless you have an education in engineering, chemistry, thermodynamics, and common sense…shut up about H2O! (HHO means the same thing, by the way)

    Also, United Nuclear (switch2hydrogen.com) has been going on about their stuff for years. After a while “It is coming out soon” gets to be real old. I suspect that they have run into some problems they can’t solve so easily. Their explanation is very good and does make sense, mostly, to me and I am educated.

  • esw

    You know why scams keep coming back? They are successful at making money.

    You know why they make money? There are plenty of idiots that think they understand how things work. “Another sucker is born every minute.”

    G. had it right. You can’t just create energy. The alternator on a car turns all the time because it is simpler that way. The torque on the alternator changes depending on the load. An alternator will freely spin without a load. Load one up and you couldn’t budge it without an engine.

    Fuels lubricate the “top” of an engine. Run one dry for a while and you will be buying a new one.

    Don’t mean to sound like a snob but unless you have an education in engineering, chemistry, thermodynamics, and common sense…shut up about H2O! (HHO means the same thing, by the way)

    Also, United Nuclear (switch2hydrogen.com) has been going on about their stuff for years. After a while “It is coming out soon” gets to be real old. I suspect that they have run into some problems they can’t solve so easily. Their explanation is very good and does make sense, mostly, to me and I am educated.

  • Some guy in Hawaii is marketing this product that he says he patented and invented..