Comments on: Ethanol Industry: Jobs Are Better Than Food? http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ethanol Brings Gas Prices Down, Saves Consumers Money : Gas 2.0 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-524 Ethanol Brings Gas Prices Down, Saves Consumers Money : Gas 2.0 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:30:18 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-524 [...] this post? Subscribe to our RSS feed and stay up to date. As controversial as corn-grain ethanol is, it may be offsetting high oil prices and saving consumers between 6 and 9¢ per gallon on [...] [...] this post? Subscribe to our RSS feed and stay up to date. As controversial as corn-grain ethanol is, it may be offsetting high oil prices and saving consumers between 6 and 9¢ per gallon on [...]

]]> By: solarnano http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-523 solarnano Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:44:27 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-523 It is idiotic to think that food based biofuels have a future in the world. Corn, soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 18 gallons, 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively. Valcent Products, www.valcent.net, has data proving that algae, using their closed loop vertical system, can grow 33,000 gallons of biodiesel, 16,500 gallons of ethanol, and 64 tons of animal feed on one acre of arid land using very little water. Some years back the NREL predicted that we could eliminate fossil fuels by growing algae in open ponds, at 10,000 gallons an acre of biofuel per year, using 15,000 square miles of nonagricultural land. No need for fresh water with the use of sea water. The Valcent system is 5 times more efficient than open ponds. Using the NREL figure 15,000 square miles and divide by 5, you get 3,000 square miles to feed the nations fuel needs. Add another 3,000 square miles to feed all of the electric needs for home and industry. 6,000 square miles of land theoretically should keep all of our fuel dollars at home, keep all food on the table, feed a hell of allot of animals, creates new jobs and, because algae needs carbon to grow, clean the air of all of those nasty pollutants that infect our health and planet. We can start doing that now. As for the future, phase out all the grossly inefficient polluting transportation, and go to efficient, non polluting all electric transport while sequestering the carbon, produced from the generation of electricity, back into growing more algae. What could be better??? Certainly not food for biofuel!!! It is idiotic to think that food based biofuels have a future in the world. Corn, soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 18 gallons, 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively. Valcent Products, http://www.valcent.net, has data proving that algae, using their closed loop vertical system, can grow 33,000 gallons of biodiesel, 16,500 gallons of ethanol, and 64 tons of animal feed on one acre of arid land using very little water. Some years back the NREL predicted that we could eliminate fossil fuels by growing algae in open ponds, at 10,000 gallons an acre of biofuel per year, using 15,000 square miles of nonagricultural land. No need for fresh water with the use of sea water. The Valcent system is 5 times more efficient than open ponds. Using the NREL figure 15,000 square miles and divide by 5, you get 3,000 square miles to feed the nations fuel needs. Add another 3,000 square miles to feed all of the electric needs for home and industry. 6,000 square miles of land theoretically should keep all of our fuel dollars at home, keep all food on the table, feed a hell of allot of animals, creates new jobs and, because algae needs carbon to grow, clean the air of all of those nasty pollutants that infect our health and planet. We can start doing that now. As for the future, phase out all the grossly inefficient polluting transportation, and go to efficient, non polluting all electric transport while sequestering the carbon, produced from the generation of electricity, back into growing more algae.

What could be better??? Certainly not food for biofuel!!!

]]> By: solarnano http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-22051 solarnano Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:44:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-22051 It is idiotic to think that food based biofuels have a future in the world. Corn, soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 18 gallons, 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively. Valcent Products, www.valcent.net, has data proving that algae, using their closed loop vertical system, can grow 33,000 gallons of biodiesel, 16,500 gallons of ethanol, and 64 tons of animal feed on one acre of arid land using very little water. Some years back the NREL predicted that we could eliminate fossil fuels by growing algae in open ponds, at 10,000 gallons an acre of biofuel per year, using 15,000 square miles of nonagricultural land. No need for fresh water with the use of sea water. The Valcent system is 5 times more efficient than open ponds. Using the NREL figure 15,000 square miles and divide by 5, you get 3,000 square miles to feed the nations fuel needs. Add another 3,000 square miles to feed all of the electric needs for home and industry. 6,000 square miles of land theoretically should keep all of our fuel dollars at home, keep all food on the table, feed a hell of allot of animals, creates new jobs and, because algae needs carbon to grow, clean the air of all of those nasty pollutants that infect our health and planet. We can start doing that now. As for the future, phase out all the grossly inefficient polluting transportation, and go to efficient, non polluting all electric transport while sequestering the carbon, produced from the generation of electricity, back into growing more algae. What could be better??? Certainly not food for biofuel!!! It is idiotic to think that food based biofuels have a future in the world. Corn, soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 18 gallons, 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively. Valcent Products, http://www.valcent.net, has data proving that algae, using their closed loop vertical system, can grow 33,000 gallons of biodiesel, 16,500 gallons of ethanol, and 64 tons of animal feed on one acre of arid land using very little water. Some years back the NREL predicted that we could eliminate fossil fuels by growing algae in open ponds, at 10,000 gallons an acre of biofuel per year, using 15,000 square miles of nonagricultural land. No need for fresh water with the use of sea water. The Valcent system is 5 times more efficient than open ponds. Using the NREL figure 15,000 square miles and divide by 5, you get 3,000 square miles to feed the nations fuel needs. Add another 3,000 square miles to feed all of the electric needs for home and industry. 6,000 square miles of land theoretically should keep all of our fuel dollars at home, keep all food on the table, feed a hell of allot of animals, creates new jobs and, because algae needs carbon to grow, clean the air of all of those nasty pollutants that infect our health and planet. We can start doing that now. As for the future, phase out all the grossly inefficient polluting transportation, and go to efficient, non polluting all electric transport while sequestering the carbon, produced from the generation of electricity, back into growing more algae.

What could be better??? Certainly not food for biofuel!!!

]]> By: Alternative Fuels Now » Ethanol Industry: Jobs Are Better Than Food? : Gas 2.0 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-522 Alternative Fuels Now » Ethanol Industry: Jobs Are Better Than Food? : Gas 2.0 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:45:28 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-522 [...] original news source [...] [...] original news source [...]

]]> By: University Funding Pulled For Anti-Biofuel Research : Gas 2.0 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-521 University Funding Pulled For Anti-Biofuel Research : Gas 2.0 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:07:09 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-521 [...] The ethanol industry isn’t the only group up in arms about pervasive negative reporting on biofuels (see yesterday’s post: Ethanol Industry: Jobs Are Better Than Food?). [...] [...] The ethanol industry isn’t the only group up in arms about pervasive negative reporting on biofuels (see yesterday’s post: Ethanol Industry: Jobs Are Better Than Food?). [...]

]]> By: Ron Steenblik http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-520 Ron Steenblik Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:03:36 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-520 Good question! I might expand on your ending question and put it as "but with major increases in food-based ethanol are we putting short-term LOCAL economic gain at the expense of everything else", where the "we" are the state and local governments, and the industry. That some livestock farmers in the ethanol-producing region may be benefitting from the availability of relatively cheap ethanol co-products does not alter the fact that much larger numbers of livestock producers, and consumers of corn and commodities (wheat, soybeans) that compete with corn, elsewhere are paying higher prices. Good question! I might expand on your ending question and put it as “but with major increases in food-based ethanol are we putting short-term LOCAL economic gain at the expense of everything else”, where the “we” are the state and local governments, and the industry.

That some livestock farmers in the ethanol-producing region may be benefitting from the availability of relatively cheap ethanol co-products does not alter the fact that much larger numbers of livestock producers, and consumers of corn and commodities (wheat, soybeans) that compete with corn, elsewhere are paying higher prices.

]]> By: Ron Steenblik http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-22050 Ron Steenblik Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:03:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/03/04/ethanol-industry-jobs-are-better-than-food/#comment-22050 Good question! I might expand on your ending question and put it as "but with major increases in food-based ethanol are we putting short-term LOCAL economic gain at the expense of everything else", where the "we" are the state and local governments, and the industry. That some livestock farmers in the ethanol-producing region may be benefitting from the availability of relatively cheap ethanol co-products does not alter the fact that much larger numbers of livestock producers, and consumers of corn and commodities (wheat, soybeans) that compete with corn, elsewhere are paying higher prices. Good question! I might expand on your ending question and put it as “but with major increases in food-based ethanol are we putting short-term LOCAL economic gain at the expense of everything else”, where the “we” are the state and local governments, and the industry.

That some livestock farmers in the ethanol-producing region may be benefitting from the availability of relatively cheap ethanol co-products does not alter the fact that much larger numbers of livestock producers, and consumers of corn and commodities (wheat, soybeans) that compete with corn, elsewhere are paying higher prices.

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