Comments on: Cellulosic Ethanol Sugar Diverted to Algae Biodiesel Production http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/ What is the future of fuel? What's new? What's next? Since 2007, Gas 2 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction. Thu, 24 May 2012 21:04:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Garth http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-313 Garth Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:03:37 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-313 As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early. Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel. The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG's in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel. Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex. Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same. Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little. The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go ...JMHO As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early.

Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel.

The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG’s in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel.

Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex.

Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same.

Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little.

The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go …JMHO

]]> By: Garth http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21916 Garth Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:03:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21916 As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early. Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel. The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG's in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel. Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex. Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same. Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little. The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go ...JMHO As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early.

Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel.

The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG’s in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel.

Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex.

Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same.

Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little.

The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go …JMHO

]]> By: Garth http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21917 Garth Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:03:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21917 As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early. Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel. The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG's in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel. Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex. Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same. Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little. The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go ...JMHO As the owner of a 2008 GMC duramax diesel , I can tell you I bit the biodiesel thing a little too early.

Also, the problem is not the seals. GM has been using VITON on most of its vehicles for years now instead of rubber which degrades with ethanol and biodiesel.

The problem with Biodiesel right now is (GM is only allowing B5(5% bio) the carbon coating gets scrubbed off and will clog your lines and filters faster than you can say it.Also the EPA eggheads along with Greenpeace and Sierra club made them put a Diesel particulate filter on the trucks to burn off the soot of the old no longer used diesel(now you have USLD) which uses diesel fuel to burn it(2200 degrees)losing MPG’s in the process and with Bio diesel it would still sense that it needs to burn off soot even though there is none just based on the amount used maybe even more , wasting even more fuel.

Bottom line this is supposed to get simpler not more complex.

Biodiesel will need a national standard plus quite a few additives to make sure the flow rate is the same.

Then the environmentals will worry about the Nox produced because right now Co and Co2 is very little.

The production of bio without using so much water is the way to go …JMHO

]]> By: Bill Brand http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-312 Bill Brand Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:31:43 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-312 Don't look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of 'advanced bio-fuel' under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat. Don’t look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of ‘advanced bio-fuel’ under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat.

]]> By: Bill Brand http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21913 Bill Brand Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:31:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21913 Don't look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of 'advanced bio-fuel' under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat. Don’t look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of ‘advanced bio-fuel’ under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat.

]]> By: Bill Brand http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21914 Bill Brand Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:31:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21914 Don't look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of 'advanced bio-fuel' under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat. Don’t look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of ‘advanced bio-fuel’ under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat.

]]> By: Bill Brand http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21915 Bill Brand Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:31:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21915 Don't look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of 'advanced bio-fuel' under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat. Don’t look for scientific answers here, This is a political decision. To meet the requirements of ‘advanced bio-fuel’ under the RFS, these fuels must show a 50% increase in net energy balance (energy consumed vs energy produced) on a field to wheel basis. Many cellulosic processes are not making this ratio in facility production alone. By producing bio-diesel that goes back to field production they can presumably meet this standard. This could be done by running equipment on ethanol, but bio-diesel is an easier transition. You will probably see this most with thermal and enzymatic processes. Thermal/microbial processes seem to have them beat.

]]> By: AJ http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-311 AJ Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:24:28 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-311 Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road! Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road!

]]> By: AJ http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21911 AJ Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:24:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21911 Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road! Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road!

]]> By: AJ http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21912 AJ Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:24:00 +0000 http://gas2.org/2008/01/25/cellulosic-ethanol-sugar-diverted-to-algae-biodiesel-production/#comment-21912 Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road! Sounds very interesting to me. the challange will be when the rubber hits the road!

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